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Using tech recovered from Sovereign seems like the most plausible option based on what we know

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So How Are We Getting There? Part 2 Sept 24, 2016 18:37:29 GMT

Post by SofaJockey on Sept 24, 2016 18:37:29 GMT

Sept 24, 2016 12:29:00 GMT Wulfram said:

Using tech recovered from Sovereign seems like the most plausible option based on what we know

Not necessarily, we know the Asari had access to Prothean tech long before,
as well as un-actioned plans ready in case all was threatened:

The Asari counsellor:

"Then I should be going. Plans must be put in motion. Continuity of civilization has to be considered."

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Post by themikefest on Sept 24, 2016 18:50:32 GMT

And had her stupid species mentioned that artifact earlier, she may not of said that.

Since the trailer shows Earth in good condition, it would appear the ships leave for Andromeda before the events of ME3 making the councilors words meaningless

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Sept 24, 2016 18:37:29 GMT SofaJockey said:

Sept 24, 2016 12:29:00 GMT Wulfram said:

Using tech recovered from Sovereign seems like the most plausible option based on what we know

Not necessarily, we know the Asari had access to Prothean tech long before,
as well as un-actioned plans ready in case all was threatened:

The Asari counsellor:

"Then I should be going. Plans must be put in motion. Continuity of civilization has to be considered."

Prothean tech shouldn't really be expected to be all that much ahead of "current" tech IMO, since current tech is based on Prothean tech. And besides, why would the Reapers allow the Protheans to get more advanced?

I mean, they could go for that explanation, but given that the Reapers are known to have this sort of tech getting it off Sovereign remnants seems more appropriate.

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So How Are We Getting There? Part 2 Sept 24, 2016 19:48:51 GMT

Post by Adhin on Sept 24, 2016 19:48:51 GMT

Sept 24, 2016 19:03:00 GMT sl4ter said:

If you watch the gameplay trailer from the Playstation show again, you hear Ryder and the raccoon Asari talking about "vaults to other worlds". Maybe they used one of them?

Ryder said 'All of these could be vaults 'on' other worlds, dormant like this one'. Not 'to' other worlds. They're not wormhole vaults.

If the survey leak is anything to go by (which so far it has been). There's a bunch of vaults on planets (probably 1 per major planet) and besides getting 'stuff' from them you get a key, or part of a key that lets you unlock the larger epic versions that're space-station style. Large satellite vaults that require you crack the smaller planet vaults. I'm assuming the planet vaults are story related and the satellite ones aren't, or maybe one is.

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So How Are We Getting There? Part 2 Sept 24, 2016 20:15:36 GMT

Post by Sartoz on Sept 24, 2016 20:15:36 GMT

I still say, if my memory serves, a journey of 600 +/- years (centuries?) to the Helius cluster requires
some cool new drive tech. Which brings up an interview with Walters where he said:

"We'll be re-explaining [the series' technology and concepts] in this game, but other than that, this is very much a standalone game that then takes place in a completely new galaxy".

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So How Are We Getting There? Part 2 Sept 24, 2016 20:23:33 GMT

Post by SofaJockey on Sept 24, 2016 20:23:33 GMT

Sept 24, 2016 20:15:36 GMT Sartoz said:

I still say, if my memory serves, a journey of 600 +/- years (centuries?) to the Helius cluster requires
some cool new drive tech. Which brings up an interview with Walters where he said:

"We'll be re-explaining [the series' technology and concepts] in this game, but other than that, this is very much a standalone game that then takes place in a completely new galaxy".

EDIT:
www.polygon.com/e3/2016/6/14/11922178/mass-effect-andromeda-preview-e3-2016

Sounds like:

"We'll be [re-writing the space magic to suit the plot] in this game"

which is fine

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So How Are We Getting There? Part 2 Sept 24, 2016 21:47:15 GMT

Post by Adhin on Sept 24, 2016 21:47:15 GMT

After some of the stuff with ME2/3 lore wise... I'm shockingly ok with re-writing any number of things LOL.

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Post by Iakus on Sept 25, 2016 19:08:23 GMT

Sept 24, 2016 3:31:20 GMT @upupaway95 said:

Sept 24, 2016 3:15:15 GMT Iakus said:

Except ME time is NOT an high tech industrial revolution. IF anything, it's stagnating. Nothing]s being really discovered, they're just reverse-engineering Prothean tech. It's why humans and turians were so close technologically speaking when one's been out among the stars to 2000 years and the other for a single generation.

In the ME Trilogy, we were shown 1 aspect of a society that encompasses way more than 44 Billion people of vastly different species and abilities. It is quite likely that not every scientist in that large and diverse a society is "just reverse-engineerring Prothean tech." Javik even acknowledges that the cycle of the ME Trilogy differed from his in that they allowed for and maintained diversity while still cooperating with one another and he says THAT might be the hope for the current cycle.

And what was the response to Matriarch Aethyta's idea of the asari building their own relays and such?

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Post by Iakus on Sept 25, 2016 19:12:32 GMT

Sept 24, 2016 11:26:44 GMT fchopin said:

Sept 23, 2016 23:34:01 GMT Iakus said:

So, how does that work? FTL ships need to discharge their cores every 2-3 DAYS or the crew dies and the ship is destroyed. And the trip is going to last centuries.

Thoughts?

Maybe we have AI's to stop the ships every few days or just shut down the engines and continue going forward until discharge and then start over again.

Wouldn't coasting at those speeds be dangerous with out the drive on? Any dust particle that hits the ship would be absolutely devastating.

I'm assuming kinetic barriers would have to be down during discharge as well, since they draw power from the eezo core as well.

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Sept 24, 2016 20:23:33 GMT SofaJockey said:

Sept 24, 2016 20:15:36 GMT Sartoz said:

I still say, if my memory serves, a journey of 600 +/- years (centuries?) to the Helius cluster requires
some cool new drive tech. Which brings up an interview with Walters where he said:

"We'll be re-explaining [the series' technology and concepts] in this game, but other than that, this is very much a standalone game that then takes place in a completely new galaxy".

EDIT:
www.polygon.com/e3/2016/6/14/11922178/mass-effect-andromeda-preview-e3-2016

Sounds like:

"We'll be [re-writing the space magic to suit the plot] in this game"

which is fine

Why break precedent, amirite?

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Sept 25, 2016 19:08:23 GMT Iakus said:

Sept 24, 2016 3:31:20 GMT @upupaway95 said:

In the ME Trilogy, we were shown 1 aspect of a society that encompasses way more than 44 Billion people of vastly different species and abilities. It is quite likely that not every scientist in that large and diverse a society is "just reverse-engineerring Prothean tech." Javik even acknowledges that the cycle of the ME Trilogy differed from his in that they allowed for and maintained diversity while still cooperating with one another and he says THAT might be the hope for the current cycle.

And what was the response to Matriarch Aethyta's idea of the asari building their own relays and such?

... and because one segment of a large society laughs at something doesn't mean all aspects of that society do. The earth today isn't even up to the population of one of those council species... are you actually suggesting we all think exactly alike? or that you know personally about every science project going on around the globe today? Can I laugh the blue up your butt, now?

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So How Are We Getting There? Part 2 Sept 25, 2016 19:35:57 GMT

Post by Monk on Sept 25, 2016 19:35:57 GMT

But. But. Are they going to make ME more spacey? Or more magical? :blink:

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Post by Iakus on Sept 25, 2016 19:47:18 GMT

Sept 25, 2016 19:34:03 GMT @upupaway95 said:

Sept 25, 2016 19:08:23 GMT Iakus said:

And what was the response to Matriarch Aethyta's idea of the asari building their own relays and such?

... and because one segment of a large society laughs at something doesn't mean all aspects of that society do. The earth today isn't even up to the population of one of those council species... are you actually suggesting we all think exactly alike? or that you know personally about every science project going on around the globe today? Can I laugh the blue up your butt, now?

Sure there's people interested in advancing science to a dramatic degree. But how many nations are willing to sink major cash into such a project? Can NASA get astronauts into space on their own anymore? How long since anyone's been to the moon?

Intergalactic travel, even with the tech level in Mass Effect right now, is an even more massive leap. More so than getting from Earth to Mars is now. Building ships capable of making the voyage would be a massive undertaking. Crucible-big. It simply can't be done by a brilliant-but-unorthodox-scientist in a private lab with their plucky lab assistant on hand to help out. It would take the backing of one or more major worlds and years of work

Heck even if the tech for the engines was already known, just building the ships would be a huge undertaking. Several dreadnought-sized ships, with eezo cores big enough to handle them?

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How are we getting there?

I'd pick one of these routes...

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Sept 25, 2016 19:47:18 GMT Iakus said:

Sept 25, 2016 19:34:03 GMT @upupaway95 said:

... and because one segment of a large society laughs at something doesn't mean all aspects of that society do. The earth today isn't even up to the population of one of those council species... are you actually suggesting we all think exactly alike? or that you know personally about every science project going on around the globe today? Can I laugh the blue up your butt, now?

Sure there's people interested in advancing science to a dramatic degree. But how many nations are willing to sink major cash into such a project? Can NASA get astronauts into space on their own anymore? How long since anyone's been to the moon?

Intergalactic travel, even with the tech level in Mass Effect right now, is an even more massive leap. More so than getting from Earth to Mars is now. Building ships capable of making the voyage would be a massive undertaking. Crucible-big. It simply can't be done by a brilliant-but-unorthodox-scientist in a private lab with their plucky lab assistant on hand to help out. It would take the backing of one or more major worlds and years of work

Heck even if the tech for the engines was already known, just building the ships would be a huge undertaking. Several dreadnought-sized ships, with eezo cores big enough to handle them?

The only limiting this is your desire to limit it... hold it back, make it stagnate in the Milky Way. Your reason for wanting it stay in the Milky Way, however, works against you. You say we haven't even explored a portion of the galalxy... well we've hardly scratched the surface of what variety and size of organizations and resources potentially available in at least 4 societies larger than ours right now with several others that have been barely described in the series so far. The way for Bioware to add tech projects in progress to the Milky Way Galaxy is wide open... galaxy wide open.

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Post by Iakus on Sept 25, 2016 21:01:46 GMT

Sept 25, 2016 20:41:59 GMT @upupaway95 said:

Sept 25, 2016 19:47:18 GMT Iakus said:

Sure there's people interested in advancing science to a dramatic degree. But how many nations are willing to sink major cash into such a project? Can NASA get astronauts into space on their own anymore? How long since anyone's been to the moon?

Intergalactic travel, even with the tech level in Mass Effect right now, is an even more massive leap. More so than getting from Earth to Mars is now. Building ships capable of making the voyage would be a massive undertaking. Crucible-big. It simply can't be done by a brilliant-but-unorthodox-scientist in a private lab with their plucky lab assistant on hand to help out. It would take the backing of one or more major worlds and years of work

Heck even if the tech for the engines was already known, just building the ships would be a huge undertaking. Several dreadnought-sized ships, with eezo cores big enough to handle them?

The only limiting this is your desire to limit it... hold it back, make it stagnate in the Milky Way. Your reason for wanting it stay in the Milky Way, however, works against you. You say we haven't even explored a portion of the galalxy... well we've hardly scratched the surface of what variety and size of organizations and resources potentially available in at least 4 societies larger than ours right now with several others that have been barely described in the series so far. The way for Bioware to add tech projects in progress to the Milky Way Galaxy is wide open... galaxy wide open.

It's not my desire for stagnation, it's Bioware stagnating society.

All the societies we're seen in the MW are roughly on par with each other. With the asari being a bit ahead of the others. The only exception being the geth, who have continued to advance at an unknown rate while "finding their own path"

This is all at least in part due to the Reaper trap to bring societies to a particular level of development before harvesting. But also to discourage them from doing that chaotic organic thing and actually innovating, doing something unpredictable.

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Sept 25, 2016 21:01:46 GMT Iakus said:

Sept 25, 2016 20:41:59 GMT @upupaway95 said:

The only limiting this is your desire to limit it... hold it back, make it stagnate in the Milky Way. Your reason for wanting it stay in the Milky Way, however, works against you. You say we haven't even explored a portion of the galalxy... well we've hardly scratched the surface of what variety and size of organizations and resources potentially available in at least 4 societies larger than ours right now with several others that have been barely described in the series so far. The way for Bioware to add tech projects in progress to the Milky Way Galaxy is wide open... galaxy wide open.

It's not my desire for stagnation, it's Bioware stagnating society.

All the societies we're seen in the MW are roughly on par with each other. With the asari being a bit ahead of the others. The only exception being the geth, who have continued to advance at an unknown rate while "finding their own path"

This is all at least in part due to the Reaper trap to bring societies to a particular level of development before harvesting. But also to discourage them from doing that chaotic organic thing and actually innovating, doing something unpredictable.

... so, if you're not wanting to stagnate this series in the Milky Way... why don't you bend your imagination in a new direction and think up some new tech to get us to Andromeda... instead of shooting down everyone else's ideas/suggestions. It's all speculation anyways... regardless of whether or not you or anyone else "likes" the tech explanation that gets us there... we're going there. The writing as been on that wall for a couple of years now. Time to go with the flow old boy... time to go with the flow.

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Post by malanek on Sept 26, 2016 1:04:09 GMT

I don't think they are going to go into great detail about it or if they do the lore will be in some optional conversation like where QEDs are explained in ME3. The focus will be on the new galaxy and I don't think they will try too hard to explain it.

As for the possible way they choose to implement it, I think it will be a development of a new technology to help them by converting the static buildup into electrical current so no discharge is needed throughout the 600 year journey. They will not discuss things like QEDs and why the travelers simply don't turn around once the Reapers are defeated.

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Post by Iakus on Sept 26, 2016 2:18:59 GMT

Sept 25, 2016 22:00:55 GMT @upupaway95 said:

Sept 25, 2016 21:01:46 GMT Iakus said:

It's not my desire for stagnation, it's Bioware stagnating society.

All the societies we're seen in the MW are roughly on par with each other. With the asari being a bit ahead of the others. The only exception being the geth, who have continued to advance at an unknown rate while "finding their own path"

This is all at least in part due to the Reaper trap to bring societies to a particular level of development before harvesting. But also to discourage them from doing that chaotic organic thing and actually innovating, doing something unpredictable.

... so, if you're not wanting to stagnate this series in the Milky Way... why don't you bend your imagination in a new direction and think up some new tech to get us to Andromeda... instead of shooting down everyone else's ideas/suggestions. It's all speculation anyways... regardless of whether or not you or anyone else "likes" the tech explanation that gets us there... we're going there. The writing as been on that wall for a couple of years now. Time to go with the flow old boy... time to go with the flow.

What are you talking about, stagnating the series? It's the society portrayed in Mass Effect that has stagnated! They get to a certain point, then slow to a crawl/stop.

And sorry, but "Bend you imagination" here sounds a lot like "turn off your brain". I'm trying to figure ut how we can get to Andromeda in a lore-friendly way, and coming up empty.

But gee, I thought Bioware liked "speculations" :why:

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Post by themikefest on Sept 26, 2016 14:50:28 GMT

WECT

What does that mean? I will tell you. hahahaha

Its Wile. E. Coyote Theory. What happens is the one who comes up with the idea about the ships, calls Wile E. Coyote, Supergenious, to build these ships that can get whoever to Andromeda. Mr. Coyote takes the job. Immediately he calls ACME. They have guaranteed delivery within 2 seconds for parts. Within minutes, the ships are built. He runs into a problem. How to get the ships to Andromeda? Ah ha. ACME sends more parts. A supersized rubber band. Two massive poles. The genious gets to works. With his super-massive hammer, he pounds the poles into a planet. Wraps the rubber band around each post. He makes his calculations where Andromeda is. Ok. He's ready. He grabs the first ship. Pulls back the rubber band, carefully aiming. Lets go of the band. Does the same with the second one. Just before releasing the band, he sees the roadrunner. He's distracted. The ships ends up being sent to dome other area to be lost forever in space. Ok. He's got the third ship. Just as he's about to release the band, the road runner says BEEP, BEEP. My Coyote jumps causing the third ship to fly staright into a planet destroying it. Oh well says Wile E. Coyote. As least he knows what he will have for dinner when he catches the roadrunner.

I've read a couple of posts suggesting that these ships were built during the krogan rebellion. Maybe. I would guess three ships were built for the turians, salarians and asari. Once the krgoan were taken of, the ships were no longer needed. If theses ships were from that time to be used to go to Andromeda, I would be curious why they just weren't used for the military instead of sitting around all this time? The other thing is that the ships resemble a collector ship. Is that just coincidence? The collectors were first spotted in 1600 CE long after the rebellion ended.

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