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Post by guanxi on Aug 30, 2017 9:33:35 GMT
What if EA/BioWare teamed up with Telltale Games to finish the Ryder-Kett story under the supervision of Mac Walters and friends during the extended hiatus giving BioWare the time they need to complete work on Anthem, DA4 and possible sequels?
Telltale, if you didn't know are a third party episodic interactive-story-driven developer for hire who do contract work on existing licenses such as Borderlands, Games of Thrones, Walking Dead, Back to the Future, etc. and they have a very successful track-record and in my opinion are one of the strongest storytellers in video games, I believe their style and format would be very compatible with Mass Effect and possibly even Dragon Age because they've always attempted to emulate the kinds of dialogue choices and consequences and character driven writing of BioWare games and I very much suspect they would be interested in working on Mass Effect.
I love their format, they have this unique comic-book art-style and engine which scales from mobiles and tablet devices to consoles (including Nintendo Switch) and PC so we could have a new Mass Effect experience on the go, or if you want a more polished experience on better hardware with their games you can to some extent but there would be trade offs of course. It's not an ideal situation but it could very much leave the Mass Effect series in a much better place and set the stage nicely for future BioWare games in the series.
They could potentially rehire the cast of Mass Effect Andromeda and they could for the first time in the Mass Effect series feature different perspectives besides Ryder. It may be possible to import your Ryder and they could attempt to emulate save game importation as the series goes on, a hallmark of the trilogy.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 30, 2017 9:41:54 GMT
I've played a couple episodes of these interactive stories for Game of Thrones and while they were fun, in the end I as the player simply didn't have enough to control. Given that the story is the biggest weak point (as far as rational, sane criticism goes) I don't know if a medium like Telltale could do the franchise much good. Even if you had the same quality in story as the original ME trilogy, such a dependence on passive story viewing with minimal interaction would make for a positive experience. If they did such a game, they should bring in writers with more actual experience writing for television and film instead of video games and go off a story outline from Bioware.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 30, 2017 9:48:26 GMT
I've played a couple episodes of these interactive stories for Game of Thrones and while they were fun, in the end I as the player simply didn't have enough to control. Given that the story is the biggest weak point (as far as rational, sane criticism goes) I don't know if a medium like Telltale could do the franchise much good. Even if you had the same quality in story as the original ME trilogy, such a dependence on passive story viewing with minimal interaction would make for a positive experience. If they did such a game, they should bring in writers with more actual experience writing for television and film instead of video games and go off a story outline from Bioware. With regard to choices and consequences some of their games are much better at this than than others. In my opinion the Walking Dead is their strongest series in terms of character-driven writing but the trivialization of consequences and illusion of choice are very evident. The Borderlands series they did really did a better job of hiding the illusion of choice and making consequences feel more pronounced in later episodes. The Game of Thrones series had the weakest writing of all of their series imo... the original characters just weren't very interesting but the cameos were fantastic. I didn't particularly enjoy the writing and characters in Andromeda and I felt the same way about Borderlands and what Telltale did with Borderlands is nothing short of amazing and I love to see them turn this ship around and write some of the wrongs, particularly with help from BioWare.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 9:54:27 GMT
I'm not sure it'd work. It wouldn't feel right, a Mass Effect game that isn't a Mass Effect game. Plus there's too much left hanging in Andromeda. They need to either finish it properly or not at all.
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 30, 2017 9:58:06 GMT
Telltale games are so frustrating when it comes to player choices that I really have no interest in this. I'd rather have more Mass Effect novels instead, at least those don't give the illusion of choice only to railroad you in such a disrespectful way later.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:02:45 GMT
I like watching Cry play Telltale games on Youtube, but I stopped buying them myself years ago. It was when both the geeky guy and Carly ended up dead in the same way at the same time no matter which one you saved (Walking Dead Season One episode 3 I think). Clem rode off on a train with the exact same ppl and the exact same circumstances and the 'choices' were irrelevant, except she might be wearing a sweater. Or not. Great. Anywho they're good entertainment but they're prone to killing characters off purely for the drama. So many have died they bring in entire new casts for every season, if they treated Andromeda this way it'd be galling. Just killing off a beloved character because 'oh shit it's the end of the episode and we need a cliffhanger' wouldn't be respectful enough of the franchise. Telltale are better off when they can do whatever the hell they want and not have to be ruled by too much lore or hounded by crazy fangirls for the decisions they make. I love a lot of what they do but they just don't have the long term plot arcs and character development that BioWare does.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 30, 2017 10:17:58 GMT
I like watching Cry play Telltale games on Youtube, but I stopped buying them myself years ago. It was when both the geeky guy and Carly ended up dead in the same way at the same time no matter which one you saved (Walking Dead Season One episode 3 I think). Clem rode off on a train with the exact same ppl and the exact same circumstances and the 'choices' were irrelevant, except she might be wearing a sweater. Or not. Great. Anywho they're good entertainment but they're prone to killing characters off purely for the drama. So many have died they bring in entire new casts for every season, if they treated Andromeda this way it'd be galling. Just killing off a beloved character because 'oh shit it's the end of the episode and we need a cliffhanger' wouldn't be respectful enough of the franchise. Telltale are better off when they can do whatever the hell they want and not have to be ruled by too much lore or hounded by crazy fangirls for the decisions they make. I love a lot of what they do but they just don't have the long term plot arcs and character development that BioWare does. To be honest I think I'd enjoy seeing some of Andromeda's cast get killed off and a bit of shock value, we needed more of that to rise the stakes and tension which is what Telltale are really good at... creating atmosphere so thick you could cut with a knife. I always remember that Dinner Party & the Ice Locker scenes in the first season of TWD, christ that had some great moments. I think with Walking Dead they are trying to evoke the feel of the TV show so cheap deaths and cliff hangers are par for the course. Each of the series have the classic telltale look but they always do justice to the source material imo and I'm sure they would treat the series with the respect it deserves, especially if BioWare writers were involved in the high level decisions.
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Post by Serza on Aug 30, 2017 10:21:43 GMT
Where'd the fuck no option go?
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 30, 2017 10:42:31 GMT
To be honest, I don't think Andromeda has the kind of characters Telltale would be able to do much with.
I'm not sure if something set in the Milky Way would work, either. I suppose it always comes down to who would buy it and if there are enough to make it worth developing, but I think I'd probably skip one based on Mass Effect.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Aug 30, 2017 10:53:13 GMT
No thanks, I absolutely loathe two things: Episodic releases and interactive visual novels with barely any gameplay. Unsurprisingly, I'm not a Telltale fan.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 30, 2017 11:18:47 GMT
I'd but it. I haven't played a Telltale game before, but I've watched some let's-plays and like what I've seen. I wouldn't want it to be about Ryder or anything in the main storyline, but with a different protagonist, sure! I say make a bunch of different types of Mass Effect games. RTS, flight/space sim, etc. BUT I assuredly want more classic Bioware Mass Effect games. Those other games would be fun, but not a substitute.
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Post by OdanUrr on Aug 30, 2017 12:02:07 GMT
No. Telltale games offer even less freedom and choice than a Mass Effect game.
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Post by bossattack on Aug 30, 2017 12:08:50 GMT
Where'd the fuck no option go? . Keep Telltale trash away from Mass Effect.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Aug 30, 2017 12:17:21 GMT
If it's on par with The Wolf Among Us, then count me in!
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Post by ProbeAway on Aug 30, 2017 12:19:23 GMT
I don't think they could do it based on Ryder or any of the main characters, since everyone already has their own perception as to how those characters should behave.
I'd be interested in a Telltale series set in the MW between ME1 and ME2, focusing on new characters and/or minor characters from the OT. There is so much potential for more intimate story telling in some really interesting settings during that period.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 30, 2017 12:28:37 GMT
I'd but it. I haven't played a Telltale game before, but I've watched some let's-plays and like what I've seen. I wouldn't want it to be about Ryder or anything in the main storyline, but with a different protagonist, sure! I say make a bunch of different types of Mass Effect games. RTS, flight/space sim, etc. BUT I assuredly want more classic Bioware Mass Effect games. Those other games would be fun, but not a substitute. I agree there's so much potential for other types of games and media even if the audience isn't there yet. I don't particularly enjoy the Mass Effect book series, but I will support it because what choice do we have at this point if we want the series to continue on in some form. It doesn't look like we're going to get another classic BioWare Mass Effect game for quite some time now and I'm sure BioWare themselves are wondering about what to do with it at this point. It looks dead at this point but I don't think sitting on it for 10 years until the negative feelings and controversies have subsided will do the series any good in the long term and I believe this sentiment is generally from people who don't really care one way or another if Mass Effect survives. BioWare themselves look past caring. There didn't seem to be a grand vision for Andromeda that they were working towards, it just seemed like a vacuous by the numbers soft-reboot, more like a cash-grab than a genuine work of passion and creativity with any kind of message. Whether or not they are serious about returning to mass effect years and years later they should consider expanding the series beyond book readers and the traditional audience trying to bring in new audiences which they haven't reached before. Use this time constructively and entertain offers from any interested third parties rather than just let it fade away into obscurity as it could greatly improve the prospects of any revived interest in the series from BioWare in the future.
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Post by Felya87 on Aug 30, 2017 13:01:41 GMT
I played the wolf among us by telltales, and I liked it. I would like a ME game from them (or in their style) but not with any customizable character as protagonist: I'd hate playng a default Ryder. None of my characters are anywhere similar to the defaults. Plus, would the game recognize wich LI my Ryder choose? Or how she resolved certain quests? I would not mind tales of the companions or secondary characters. Having a telltales style games instead of the comics would be great in my opinion. Or instead of the book having a telltales game with the fate of the Quarian Ark. It would be great.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Aug 30, 2017 13:36:49 GMT
Spinoff would be great.
For example, stories from Palaven under the Reaper attack. Or the Morning War with Geth and Quarians, or smaller story, I would love to play a c-sec story.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Aug 30, 2017 13:38:32 GMT
Shepard's story. Her or his heroism background story.
Andromeda is too huge to fit in Telltale game.
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Post by tacsear on Aug 30, 2017 13:41:16 GMT
If it takes place in MW of course. Preferably in Omega where we play as a low life work with Aria, Archangel etc.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 30, 2017 14:27:08 GMT
Possibly, personally, but I have doubts about it helping the franchise much.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 30, 2017 15:00:34 GMT
Anything about C-Sec, Spectres, Omega, STG, the Morning War, Rachni Wars, Krogan Rebellions or episodic prequels with Garrus, Wrex and Tali, etc. all of this stuff would be like my dream scenario, stuff you could never do for the mass market (pun intended).
If they wanted to go all BioWare on us and center stories around human characters I wouldn't mind original stories in the milky way or Andromeda with original characters if they wanted to do that in conjunction with BioWare's approval and guidance. Knowing Tell-tale something inspired by ME2's suicide mission with life and death consequences and episodic structure framed around different characters could be fantastic.
When you don't have to worry about gameplay and game-design and trying to recuperate over $40m+ production budget the storytelling possibilities with this franchise would be incredible.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 30, 2017 16:02:56 GMT
I think if ME ever went the telltale route they'd be better off doing a spin-off that isn't relevant to the mainline games. Borderlands worked out great because of it. You'd need some serious convincing to get them to finish Andromeda off this way.
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Post by yeegrek on Aug 30, 2017 16:15:50 GMT
I like the idea, and voted yes, but I don't think it'd work. The TTG model is super divisive (as this thread proves). You'd just annoy as many people as you'd thrill. Not a good way to repair the brand.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 30, 2017 16:21:40 GMT
To be honest, I don't think Andromeda has the kind of characters Telltale would be able to do much with. I'm not sure if something set in the Milky Way would work, either. I suppose it always comes down to who would buy it and if there are enough to make it worth developing, but I think I'd probably skip one based on Mass Effect. They turned out an awesome game with Tales From the Borderlands with original characters, though.
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