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Post by Steelcan on Sept 4, 2017 3:46:29 GMT
book planned to introduce quarian ark story -> MEA released -> MEA reception is so poor/EA decided it was not financially viable to release SP DLC -> Book is now planned to wrap up the whole story not merely introduce it, perhaps requiring rewrites, hence the delay
how is that illogical?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 4, 2017 3:47:57 GMT
Ha, good rebuttal! I like the part where it had things in it to contradict my logic. It was great.  ...why were the novels delayed all of a sudden? ...why did Mac get added as a co-author to the last novel? It could be...because DLC was originally planned, but now answers need to be shoehorned into the novels. Done with those animals I see. That took.... too long. Frightening. Anyway, yeah, delays in books never happen at all. I'm sure they delayed it because they needed to rewrite the whole story. I mean, sure, if it only takes 6 months to alter an entire section of a book and add a bunch of stuff, I guess George R.R. Martin is just a big slacker, eh? |
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 4, 2017 3:49:18 GMT
...why were the novels delayed all of a sudden? ...why did Mac get added as a co-author to the last novel? It could be...because DLC was originally planned, but now answers need to be shoehorned into the novels. Done with those animals I see. That took.... too long. Frightening. Anyway, yeah, delays in books never happen at all. I'm sure they delayed it because they needed to rewrite the whole story. I mean, sure, if it only takes 6 months to alter an entire section of a book and add a bunch of stuff, I guess George R.R. Martin is just a big slacker, eh? You might find this useful in the future |
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 4, 2017 3:50:22 GMT
the delay was always planned, there's nothing to indicate that the plan for the scope and purpose of the book has changed!
*ignores all of the reasons and evidence that they book has been delayed in order to change its purpose and scope*
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Post by smilesja on Sept 4, 2017 3:51:02 GMT
...why were the novels delayed all of a sudden? ...why did Mac get added as a co-author to the last novel? It could be...because DLC was originally planned, but now answers need to be shoehorned into the novels. Done with those animals I see. That took.... too long. Frightening. Anyway, yeah, delays in books never happen at all. I'm sure they delayed it because they needed to rewrite the whole story. I mean, sure, if it only takes 6 months to alter an entire section of a book and add a bunch of stuff, I guess George R.R. Martin is just a big slacker, eh? We're all guessing here. |
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Post by smilesja on Sept 4, 2017 3:52:30 GMT
Wasnt the novel changed from Annihilation to The Lost Ark? Why was it changed? And wasnt Annihilation supposed to release Summer 2017? But imstead Lost Ark is coming Dec 2017.... IT WAS ALWAYS PLANNED THAT WAY AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND LOGIC |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 4, 2017 3:53:51 GMT
book planned to introduce quarian ark story -> MEA released -> MEA reception is so poor/EA decided it was not financially viable to release SP DLC -> Book is now planned to wrap up the whole story not merely introduce it, perhaps requiring rewrites, hence the delay how is that illogical? Because if reception was so poor that SP DLC wasn't financially viable, and the number of people who read the books is far less than plays the game anyway, why do a rewrite or delay the book at all? Any delay will just cost more people buying it because people will lose interest if it's farther out from launch. You aren't going to get enough extra people to buy it just because it's the tie-up of a canceled DLC as opposed to the set-up story of the DLC. Come on, use your head. Where's the financial incentive? EA doesn't do anything without financial incentive, so tell me where that is in delaying and spending time/money on rewriting it to get maybe a few more people to buy it, contrasted with the number of people who won't because of the delay and the no-DLC making them more upset? |
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 4, 2017 3:59:04 GMT
book planned to introduce quarian ark story -> MEA released -> MEA reception is so poor/EA decided it was not financially viable to release SP DLC -> Book is now planned to wrap up the whole story not merely introduce it, perhaps requiring rewrites, hence the delay how is that illogical? Because if reception was so poor that SP DLC wasn't financially viable, and the number of people who read the books is far less than plays the game anyway, why do a rewrite or delay the book at all? Any delay will just cost more people buying it because people will lose interest if it's farther out from launch. You aren't going to get enough extra people to buy it just because it's the tie-up of a canceled DLC as opposed to the set-up story of the DLC. Come on, use your head. Where's the financial incentive? EA doesn't do anything without financial incentive, so tell me where that is in delaying and spending time/money on rewriting it to get maybe a few more people to buy it, contrasted with the number of people who won't because of the delay and the no-DLC making them more upset? Because books are far less of an investment on the part of the studio than developing a DLC. Depending on how the contract they with the author works EA/BioWare could be paying the author a flat fee, a portion of sales, a wage but the book is due by X date, some combination, etc... any of those is undoubtedly cheaper than hiring the whole team they would need to do a piece of SP DLC. That would be teams of animators (lol), writers, artists, programmers, and so on. As opposed to one person. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 4, 2017 4:06:33 GMT
Because if reception was so poor that SP DLC wasn't financially viable, and the number of people who read the books is far less than plays the game anyway, why do a rewrite or delay the book at all? Any delay will just cost more people buying it because people will lose interest if it's farther out from launch. You aren't going to get enough extra people to buy it just because it's the tie-up of a canceled DLC as opposed to the set-up story of the DLC. Come on, use your head. Where's the financial incentive? EA doesn't do anything without financial incentive, so tell me where that is in delaying and spending time/money on rewriting it to get maybe a few more people to buy it, contrasted with the number of people who won't because of the delay and the no-DLC making them more upset? Because books are far less of an investment on the part of the studio than developing a DLC. Depending on how the contract they with the author works EA/BioWare could be paying the author a flat fee, a portion of sales, a wage but the book is due by X date, some combination, etc... any of those is undoubtedly cheaper than hiring the whole team they would need to do a piece of SP DLC. That would be teams of animators (lol), writers, artists, programmers, and so on. As opposed to one person. But why, WHY change the book and delay it at all if the response to MEA was sooooo poor as to cancel existing DLC plans? What's the point? Like I said, delay only costs them numbers of people who will buy the book, as well as knowing that canceling DLC probably costs fans and people who would buy the book. So in that case they did it for.... the fans? And why change the book? Just doing it in a comic would be easier, the comic release dates aren't as well known, nor is their subject material. Delaying the book and doing a rewrite for a "failed" game just makes NO. GODDAMN. SENSE. But I'm sure you'll find a way to twist the facts to feed your warped narrative, so I eagerly await that feat of gymnastics. |
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 4, 2017 4:11:00 GMT
Because books are far less of an investment on the part of the studio than developing a DLC. Depending on how the contract they with the author works EA/BioWare could be paying the author a flat fee, a portion of sales, a wage but the book is due by X date, some combination, etc... any of those is undoubtedly cheaper than hiring the whole team they would need to do a piece of SP DLC. That would be teams of animators (lol), writers, artists, programmers, and so on. As opposed to one person. But why, WHY change the book and delay it at all if the response to MEA was sooooo poor as to cancel existing DLC plans? What's the point? Like I said, delay only costs them numbers of people who will buy the book, as well as knowing that canceling DLC probably costs fans and people who would buy the book. So in that case they did it for.... the fans? And why change the book? Just doing it in a comic would be easier, the comic release dates aren't as well known, nor is their subject material. Delaying the book and doing a rewrite for a "failed" game just makes NO. GODDAMN. SENSE. But I'm sure you'll find a way to twist the facts to feed your warped narrative, so I eagerly await that feat of gymnastics. Because against all explanation there are people who still liked the game and want some resolution on the dangling plot threads. A book is a good way to hopefully resolve that and build some good will if the book is good, for far less monetary investment than a DLC. or maybe The book was already planned anyways , we know that for a fact, and they may have been contractually obligated to let the author do it which would epxlain why they kept it around. None of that is exactly mental gymnastics. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 4, 2017 4:13:19 GMT
But why, WHY change the book and delay it at all if the response to MEA was sooooo poor as to cancel existing DLC plans? What's the point? Like I said, delay only costs them numbers of people who will buy the book, as well as knowing that canceling DLC probably costs fans and people who would buy the book. So in that case they did it for.... the fans? And why change the book? Just doing it in a comic would be easier, the comic release dates aren't as well known, nor is their subject material. Delaying the book and doing a rewrite for a "failed" game just makes NO. GODDAMN. SENSE. But I'm sure you'll find a way to twist the facts to feed your warped narrative, so I eagerly await that feat of gymnastics. Because against all explanation there are people who still liked the game and want some resolution on the dangling plot threads. A book is a good way to hopefully resolve that and build some good will if the book is good, for far less monetary investment than a DLC. or maybe The book was already planned anyways , we know that for a fact, and they may have been contractually obligated to let the author do it which would epxlain why they kept it around. None of that is exactly mental gymnastics. Why was the named changed from Annihilation to The Lost Ark? |
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 4, 2017 4:16:28 GMT
Because against all explanation there are people who still liked the game and want some resolution on the dangling plot threads. A book is a good way to hopefully resolve that and build some good will if the book is good, for far less monetary investment than a DLC. or maybe The book was already planned anyways , we know that for a fact, and they may have been contractually obligated to let the author do it which would epxlain why they kept it around. None of that is exactly mental gymnastics. Why was the named changed from Annihilation to The Lost Ark? because they're running out of "-tion" words and need to keep some banked for future releases |
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 4, 2017 4:22:08 GMT
And we don't know for sure if comics would be cheaper, they'd need to license or come to an agreement with an existing studio for artists as well as writers, iirc most ME comics are done with Dark Horse and not internally or contracted out like DLC or books.
The author of the Quarian ark book could have perhaps sued if they'd dropped the book and the resulting legal fees could have been far more than just releasing the book with a small run and presumably small sales.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 4, 2017 4:45:46 GMT
or maybe The book was already planned anyways , we know that for a fact Agreed! We do know the book was already planned. Finally. |
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Sept 4, 2017 4:48:12 GMT
Did everyone forget Jason's article mentioned that Montreal was planning for a sequel and dlcs before they got dissolved? Doesn't that kind of proof dlc was planned before the backlash? Or is it just that the defenders refuse to eat crow?
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Post by colfoley on Sept 4, 2017 4:58:04 GMT
Did everyone forget Jason's article mentioned that Montreal was planning for a sequel and dlcs before they got dissolved? Doesn't that kind of proof dlc was planned before the backlash? Or is it just that the defenders refuse to eat crow? What is it with some people and the obssession of eating crow? If you truly like crow this much go join the Night's Watch. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 4, 2017 5:11:15 GMT
Did everyone forget Jason's article mentioned that Montreal was planning for a sequel and dlcs before they got dissolved? Doesn't that kind of proof dlc was planned before the backlash? Or is it just that the defenders refuse to eat crow? Good point, I had actually forgot about that. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 4, 2017 5:28:07 GMT
Um, no. Recheck what he wrote. He said plans for a sequel had been shelved, and that there would be no DLC. No where in his article does it say that DLC plans were cancelled. Only that none would be made. He was very specific about the shelving of the sequel, but only that there would be no DLC, never mentioning any prior plan to make DLC.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 4, 2017 5:35:49 GMT
Um, no. Recheck what he wrote. He said plans for a sequel had been shelved, and that there would be no DLC. No where in his article does it say that DLC plans were cancelled. Only that none would be made. He was very specific about the shelving of the sequel, but only that there would be no DLC, never mentioning any prior plan to make DLC. He also said the chilly reception to MEA lead Bioware to transfer people over to Anthem and Battlefront 2. But apparently according to you, that only happened because that was always the plan.... |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 4, 2017 5:40:26 GMT
Um, no. Recheck what he wrote. He said plans for a sequel had been shelved, and that there would be no DLC. No where in his article does it say that DLC plans were cancelled. Only that none would be made. He was very specific about the shelving of the sequel, but only that there would be no DLC, never mentioning any prior plan to make DLC. He also said the chilly reception to MEA lead Bioware to transfer people over to Anthem and Battlefront 2. But apparently according to you, that only happened because that was always the plan.... Probably. I never put any stock in what that hack has to say anyway. I just like pointing out how you and the other guy were wrong about what he said about DLC. Calls into question your ability to state facts.  |
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Post by suikoden on Sept 4, 2017 6:18:36 GMT
Because books are far less of an investment on the part of the studio than developing a DLC. Depending on how the contract they with the author works EA/BioWare could be paying the author a flat fee, a portion of sales, a wage but the book is due by X date, some combination, etc... any of those is undoubtedly cheaper than hiring the whole team they would need to do a piece of SP DLC. That would be teams of animators (lol), writers, artists, programmers, and so on. As opposed to one person. But why, WHY change the book and delay it at all if the response to MEA was sooooo poor as to cancel existing DLC plans? What's the point? Like I said, delay only costs them numbers of people who will buy the book, as well as knowing that canceling DLC probably costs fans and people who would buy the book. So in that case they did it for.... the fans? And why change the book? Just doing it in a comic would be easier, the comic release dates aren't as well known, nor is their subject material. Delaying the book and doing a rewrite for a "failed" game just makes NO. GODDAMN. SENSE. But I'm sure you'll find a way to twist the facts to feed your warped narrative, so I eagerly await that feat of gymnastics. Gotta do what they can to salvage their reputation - the fans deserve answers after-all. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2017 6:22:57 GMT
Because against all explanation there are people who still liked the game and want some resolution on the dangling plot threads. A book is a good way to hopefully resolve that and build some good will if the book is good, for far less monetary investment than a DLC. or maybe The book was already planned anyways , we know that for a fact, and they may have been contractually obligated to let the author do it which would epxlain why they kept it around. None of that is exactly mental gymnastics. Why was the named changed from Annihilation to The Lost Ark? I heard it was the other way around, where the title was rumored to be The Lost Ark but it was changed to Annihilation. Was it changed back recently? Haven't really kept up with the book news. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2017 6:25:48 GMT
Did everyone forget Jason's article mentioned that Montreal was planning for a sequel and dlcs before they got dissolved? Doesn't that kind of proof dlc was planned before the backlash? Or is it just that the defenders refuse to eat crow? What is it with some people and the obssession of eating crow? If you truly like crow this much go join the Night's Watch. Well, prepared right crow can actually taste quite good so maybe they want everyone to have a good meal.  |
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Post by suikoden on Sept 4, 2017 6:26:10 GMT
Um, no. Recheck what he wrote. He said plans for a sequel had been shelved, and that there would be no DLC. No where in his article does it say that DLC plans were cancelled. Only that none would be made. He was very specific about the shelving of the sequel, but only that there would be no DLC, never mentioning any prior plan to make DLC. So... they were planning on potentially making a sequel... but not DLC. Right.. I guess that's logical!! |
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Post by BioFan on Sept 4, 2017 6:46:16 GMT
Um, no. Recheck what he wrote. He said plans for a sequel had been shelved, and that there would be no DLC. No where in his article does it say that DLC plans were cancelled. Only that none would be made. He was very specific about the shelving of the sequel, but only that there would be no DLC, never mentioning any prior plan to make DLC. So... they were planning on potentially making a sequel... but not DLC. Right.. I guess that's logical!! With any continuing franchise, they have a super general idea or direction they intend to go in should they move forward. It's nothing new. They've got the next (after DA4 at least) DA game(s) planned out in terms of the defining characteristic. Very basic, very broad, but it helps when creating the game prior. |
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