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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 2, 2017 0:53:15 GMT
No, no, BioFan, just... Don't. That's not what the argument was at all. What MajesticJazz is saying was taken completely out of context and was not about people making YouTube videos, but instead was about people on the forum linking videos in posts as a rebuttal to arguments other posters had said without giving context or stating what the video was about or actually just typing out some of the points made by the video, instead forcing those who where involved to sit through 20 minutes videos to try to find the few sentences that were pertinent to the actual debate. Nothing to do with YouTube creators and their content. Let's not misrepresent the entire gist of the argument. While it started out as a discussion on the merits of using a video as rebuttal on the forum, it quickly progressed to the merits of video essays vs text as a way to convey your point. MajesticJazz wasn't wholly wrong with his snark. Sorry, I think you mean "regressed" instead of "progressed", as I left that debate when it fully became just two posters arguing back and forth. So where MJ states "some members", what he should really mean is "one member", and I don't think any group wants to be judged by the viewpoint of one person. So he's not wholly wrong in his snark, just mostly wrong in his snark.  |
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Post by river82 on Sept 2, 2017 0:59:38 GMT
Let's not misrepresent the entire gist of the argument. While it started out as a discussion on the merits of using a video as rebuttal on the forum, it quickly progressed to the merits of video essays vs text as a way to convey your point. MajesticJazz wasn't wholly wrong with his snark. Sorry, I think you mean "regressed" instead of "progressed", as I left that debate when it fully became just two posters arguing back and forth. So where MJ states "some members", what he should really mean is "one member", and I don't think any group wants to be judged by the viewpoint of one person. So he's not wholly wrong in his snark, just mostly wrong in his snark. Regressed? Pfffft. It was a thoroughly interesting and entertaining discussion xD |
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Post by cypherj on Sept 2, 2017 3:44:39 GMT
This, they would be stupid to stay in Andromeda after how much of a disaster it was. For me leaving Andromeda for the next game would feel a little like "cutting and running", and for the life of me I can't figure out why I feel that way. They don't need to leave Andromeda entirely, they just need to advance time to where things are a lot more established. Technically, they already cut and ran from ME:A, so I don't see how they could, or why they would even want to pick up anywhere near where that game left off. If they didn't think the story was worth continuing in DLC, why would they ever sink the resources into continuing it in a new game? I've said they should kick the ball down the road hundreds of years and start a new story. Thank the AI and the Pathfinders in codex and halo-museums and keep it moving. |
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Post by BioFan on Sept 2, 2017 4:52:32 GMT
Well those members probably don't understand that putting a video together takes FAR more effort. Let's see, Collecting information: unknown, assume 2+ hours at least Writing script: 1+ hours Voicing script: 1+ hours Assembling footage and editing video: 4+ hours Publication stuff and thumbnail create: 1+ hours Total: 9+ hours And this video was short. So frankly, those members need to educate themselves. No, no, BioFan, just... Don't. That's not what the argument was at all. What MajesticJazz is saying was taken completely out of context and was not about people making YouTube videos, but instead was about people on the forum linking videos in posts as a rebuttal to arguments other posters had said without giving context or stating what the video was about or actually just typing out some of the points made by the video, instead forcing those who where involved to sit through 20 minutes videos to try to find the few sentences that were pertinent to the actual debate. Nothing to do with YouTube creators and their content. Ah okay, thank you for clearing that up. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 2, 2017 5:04:05 GMT
No, no, BioFan, just... Don't. That's not what the argument was at all. What MajesticJazz is saying was taken completely out of context and was not about people making YouTube videos, but instead was about people on the forum linking videos in posts as a rebuttal to arguments other posters had said without giving context or stating what the video was about or actually just typing out some of the points made by the video, instead forcing those who where involved to sit through 20 minutes videos to try to find the few sentences that were pertinent to the actual debate. Nothing to do with YouTube creators and their content. Ah okay, thank you for clearing that up. Np. Hey, any talk of making BioAware with Minius and Follower at all? |
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Post by mugwump v1 on Sept 2, 2017 6:35:17 GMT
Thanks as always to Biofan for taking the time to update us all. My thoughts on the likelihood of our getting another Mass Effect game is that, given that both ME3 and ME:A were so very poorly received, Bioware would have it all on to garner enough fan enthusiasm to make another *ahem* AAA offering worthwhile.
A middle market venture however...
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 2, 2017 6:44:30 GMT
I'm pretty sure ME3 was better received than a lot of the online outrage from fans would lead one to believe.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Sept 2, 2017 6:58:24 GMT
I'm pretty sure ME3 was better received than a lot of the online outrage from fans would lead one to believe. Yeah, I think the fan outrage you refer to kind of undercuts your point. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 2, 2017 7:06:49 GMT
I'm pretty sure ME3 was better received than a lot of the online outrage from fans would lead one to believe. Yeah, I think the fan outrage you refer to kind of undercuts your point. Not sure if a bunch of weirdos agonizing over the ending on the forums really mattered in the end though. It was a strong critical and financial success regardless. |
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Post by mugwump v1 on Sept 2, 2017 7:11:23 GMT
Yeah, I think the fan outrage you refer to kind of undercuts your point. Not sure if a bunch of weirdos agonizing over the ending on the forums really mattered in the end though. It was a strong critical and financial success regardless. Right you are KaiserShep, let us agree to disagree and leave it to the good people reading this thread to cast their minds back and decide for themselves whether Mass Effect 3 was the resounding success you claim it to be. |
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Post by The Arbiter on Sept 2, 2017 7:30:58 GMT
I just want it back in the Andromeda galaxy. So much untapped potential. Oh Hell no... the Milkway Galaxy has EVEN MORE UNTAPPED POTENTIAL. My god enough of Andromeda already |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 2, 2017 7:48:52 GMT
I just want it back in the Andromeda galaxy. So much untapped potential. Oh Hell no... the Milkway Galaxy has EVEN MORE UNTAPPED POTENTIAL. My god enough of Andromeda already Out of curiosity, how? I mean statistically speaking that is inaccurate since more of the Milky Way has been explored than Andromeda and Andromeda is larger than the Milky Way. |
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Post by colfoley on Sept 2, 2017 7:59:30 GMT
I just want it back in the Andromeda galaxy. So much untapped potential. Oh Hell no... the Milkway Galaxy has EVEN MORE UNTAPPED POTENTIAL. My god enough of Andromeda already Shame they wrote themselves into the worse corner in the history of fiction. |
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Post by The Twilight God on Sept 2, 2017 9:05:24 GMT
I agree. I think with Casey on as the head of the company, the next would automatically be better. I'm thinking a significant time jump would allow for a fresher less-tied-to-MEA setting within the Andromeda Galaxy. Like 100+ years, so we could see how Ryder built up the cluster... and then see it fall.  tbh it's also the fans than need to be better. More grounded expectaions and more supportive and less preordering. The customer does not need to be better. The product needs to be better or meet the desire of the consumer. That's how business works. Oh Hell no... the Milkway Galaxy has EVEN MORE UNTAPPED POTENTIAL. My god enough of Andromeda already Shame they wrote themselves into the worse corner in the history of fiction. They aren't in any corner. Your choices don't matter, have never matterd and I see no reason they should start mattering now.
Destroy canon. 500+ years into the future. Easy.
There is absolutely nothing keeping the series from continuing in the Milky Way other than the EA/Bioware themselves.
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Post by abaris on Sept 2, 2017 10:46:30 GMT
I'm pretty sure ME3 was better received than a lot of the online outrage from fans would lead one to believe. Far as I am aware, ME3 mainly suffered from the endings. Apart from the usual SJW bullshitters homing in on any Bioware game since DA2. These two groups have been very vocal. The endings crowd even had a point and Bioware ultimately listened. But of course it had been better received. Otherwise there wouldn't have been 3 SP DLCs. I'm not counting From Ashes, since this had been day one. |
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Post by themikefest on Sept 2, 2017 11:15:07 GMT
Shame they wrote themselves into the worse corner in the history of fiction. Did they? Bioware can just say that the guy telling the story buttered it up to keep the kid interested. He did say the details have changed over time. Those details could be anything in the trilogy. I'm sure the story told to him was different from the story he told the kid. |
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Post by abaris on Sept 2, 2017 11:54:27 GMT
Did they? Bioware can just say that the guy telling the story buttered it up to keep the kid interested. He did say the details have changed over time. Those details could be anything in the trilogy. I'm sure the story told to him was different from the story he told the kid. Kind of lost history? Why not. Seeing as all the relays have been blown in any case, there could be an abundance of stories floating around. |
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Post by natetrace on Sept 2, 2017 12:09:16 GMT
As I said, Andromeda 2 is the answer. Then after that game perhaps return to when humanity found the Charon relay. I think when people say we should return to the Milky Way what they mean is ME should return to Edmonton. Montreal was directionless before Walters was brought in. A game set in the Milky Way made by Montreal would still be plagued with the same issues. Again, I liked Andromeda and I hope we see more. It is Sci Fi. Third person. Cover system. Character creation. Companions, some bangable. It's a rare combination with this franchise.
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Post by clips7 on Sept 2, 2017 12:34:03 GMT
As I said, Andromeda 2 is the answer. Then after that game perhaps return to when humanity found the Charon relay. I think when people say we should return to the Milky Way what they mean is ME should return to Edmonton. Montreal was directionless before Walters was brought in. A game set in the Milky Way made by Montreal would still be plagued with the same issues. Again, I liked Andromeda and I hope we see more. It is Sci Fi. Third person. Cover system. Character creation. Companions, some bangable. It's a rare combination with this franchise. Thing is...i think anything associated with Andromeda is poison right now.....if EA announced Andromeda 2 is being worked on, i think people would automatically shut down and not be interested. Now of course there would be folks interested in the game, but i don't think there would be enough buzz generated to warrant a sequel. Even if they wait say...5 - 7 years and announce Andromeda 2, i think people will still think back on the launch and just about how mediocre (not bad) the game was back then. |
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Post by abaris on Sept 2, 2017 12:57:37 GMT
Thing is...i think anything associated with Andromeda is poison right now.....if EA announced Andromeda 2 is being worked on, i think people would automatically shut down and not be interested. Now of course there would be folks interested in the game, but i don't think there would be enough buzz generated to warrant a sequel. Even if they wait say...5 - 7 years and announce Andromeda 2, i think people will still think back on the launch and just about how mediocre (not bad) the game was back then. Which is why the whole brand being put on ice has merit. They won't do anything right now, because they wouldn't even know where to start. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 2, 2017 14:38:46 GMT
Shame they wrote themselves into the worse corner in the history of fiction. Did they? Bioware can just say that the guy telling the story buttered it up to keep the kid interested. He did say the details have changed over time. Those details could be anything in the trilogy. I'm sure the story told to him was different from the story he told the kid. C'mon. It wasn't a framed narrative or anything. Like, suddenly Future Stargeezer be like "That ain't the whole true-true" or something. |
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Post by themikefest on Sept 2, 2017 14:54:58 GMT
C'mon. It wasn't a framed narrative or anything. Like, suddenly Future Stargeezer be like "That ain't the whole true-true" or something. Then remove it from the game |
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Post by derrame on Sept 2, 2017 15:34:30 GMT
"Andromeda's unfinished quarian ark plot will receive closure"
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 2, 2017 15:46:04 GMT
Shame they wrote themselves into the worse corner in the history of fiction. They aren't in any corner. Your choices don't matter, have never matterd and I see no reason they should start mattering now.
Destroy canon. 500+ years into the future. Easy.
There is absolutely nothing keeping the series from continuing in the Milky Way other than the EA/Bioware themselves.
It would've been interesting to see the reactions if instead they went with the "best" outcome, being Synthesis. But hey, as a Destroyer, this option would work out fine for me too, because why not? Seems to me this is strictly about getting the familiar location names back. If choices aren't mattering and we get huge time skips, then really, what's the difference at that point? |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 2, 2017 15:57:09 GMT
Should i be bothered by the constant impreciscion of the English language or should i just let it go? The English language kinda deserves what it gets, with its stupid silent letters and inflammable meaning flammable. Ok, lol. First, was the Scion spelling imprecision when you typed that, colfoley, was this an inside joke I missed, or was this just typical lol material from you? Second, inflammable is not something stupid in English. There are better examples, this one just shows a lack of thought and perhaps familiarity with the language. To be inflamed.... Inflam.... Hmmm. Inflamation. Just derp. And the likes these posts got, :puke: |
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