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Post by river82 on Aug 22, 2018 10:17:55 GMT
And this is exactly what I mean when I said people who wanted historical accuracy in Battlefield (and they've been around for a while now) were painted with the same brush as those who are sexist. And this is one of the reasons why the backlash happened. If devs want to treat people who have always wanted historical accuracy in Battlefield as sexist the minute it involves a disabled woman on the front lines (sure, view them as ridiculous if you like but they're not sexist), then I know I would want nothing to do with them. I'm completely against this trend of devs and media attacking the fanbase whenever it's convenient or advantageous for them to do so. This is exactly what Boogie talked about in his video.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 22, 2018 10:27:08 GMT
I think it's far from a foregone conclusion that BV sales are toast. It appears that the data (from analyst Cowen) are based on GameSpot pre-order data of some 3-5 weeks ago. It doesn't include digital sales data (including Origin Premiere) and is a story that remains untouched by: Eurogamer, GamesIndustry.biz, GameInformer, GamesRadar, GameSpot, IGN, Polygon and even Kotaku, I'd say the data might be a bit flaky. It may indeed by the lowest selling of the 3, but it's a crowded (and lucrative) market ahead of the holidays. And this makes an attractive story for the 'there's wimmin in my game!' crowd.
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Post by river82 on Aug 22, 2018 10:41:36 GMT
I think it's far from a foregone conclusion that BV sales are toast. It appears that the data (from analyst Cowen) are based on GameSpot pre-order data of some 3-5 weeks ago. It doesn't include digital sales data (including Origin Premiere) and is a story that remains untouched by: Eurogamer, GamesIndustry.biz, GameInformer, GamesRadar, GameSpot, IGN, Polygon and even Kotaku, I'd say the data might be a bit flaky. It may indeed by the lowest selling of the 3, but it's a crowded (and lucrative) market ahead of the holidays. And this makes an attractive story for the 'there's wimmin in my game!' crowd. The data Cowen obtained was the ratio of sale figures, not the numbers. Which means they don't need to analyse every source to make a prediction. Cowen is also a respectable analytical agency. They have previously used Amazon best sellers, some reports say they switched to Gamestop best sellers, and yet their analysis is usually strong. This goes back to being a respectable agency with a solid reputation, which implies they have a solid methodology. It's a story picked up by Stocknews, which is a single news outlet more reputable than all the gaming websites you mentioned combined. Because gaming journalists have a reputation of being bloggers in the world of ACTUAL journalism. It's not that it's tracking the lowest of the 3, it's that it's tracking WELL below the other two. Your attempts to smear Cowen because you don't like their data is acknowledged.
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Post by river82 on Aug 22, 2018 10:48:28 GMT
I think it's far from a foregone conclusion that BV sales are toast. It appears that the data (from analyst Cowen) are based on GameSpot pre-order data of some 3-5 weeks ago. It doesn't include digital sales data (including Origin Premiere) and is a story that remains untouched by: Eurogamer, GamesIndustry.biz, GameInformer, GamesRadar, GameSpot, IGN, Polygon and even Kotaku, I'd say the data might be a bit flaky. It may indeed by the lowest selling of the 3, but it's a crowded (and lucrative) market ahead of the holidays. And this makes an attractive story for the 'there's wimmin in my game!' crowd. Ironically if Cowen still used figures from Amazon you would have had your story. Because Amazon didn't have physical copies to pre-order from your tweet.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 22, 2018 11:09:41 GMT
Battlefield 1 felt more like a game belonging to the WW2 era instead of WW1 due to an overabundance of semi and fully automatic weapons, many of which were only deployed in very small numbers or even never left the prototype stage. And there were moments in the game where it felt like the Central Powers were merely the Axis with different uniforms, given how biased BF1 is against them. DICE's own predecessor helped saturating the WW2 shooter market, in a way.
This "WW2 instead of WW1" feeling was complained about often... but since those complaints didn't touch any "social justice" topics, they didn't get much of a reaction.
Reducing the BFV controversy to "eww there's whammens in my game" is intellectually dishonest. I'm pretty sure there was no bitching about Zara being in BF1, or the Russian female snipers and tank commanders in CoH2.
But then again, I'm probably expecting too much from DICE right now. They've shown where they are headed with BF1, where I learned to my surprise that the Kaiser's army apparently contained 25% Africans, heck the poster boy of the vanilla game was a black guy with German weapons. It had Americans as a playable faction just so it could have more black people, while no matter how hard you looked, there wasn't a single French soldier to be seen during the battle of Amiens. You know, that town in France.
And I have no problem with any of that, I would just like for DICE to admit that they're making their versions of WW1 and 2 instead of bullshitting us with "immersed in WW2 like never before". They erase entire factions from their game and instead include minorities that were present in homoeopathic doses at best. It is totally fine for them to make their game the way they want, of course. And it's just as fine to not buy it.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 22, 2018 11:22:33 GMT
Given the 1.3 million Indian troops who served in WW1, we should have had those n instead of the yanks.
Gosh imagine the shit storm then.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 22, 2018 11:49:50 GMT
I do think that extrapolating from brick and wall figures alone simply won't do the job anymore. Most of the purchases are done digitally and the old retailers won't win back any market share with physicals. 5 years may be generous estimate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 12:04:34 GMT
And this is exactly what I mean when I said people who wanted historical accuracy in Battlefield (and they've been around for a while now) were painted with the same brush as those who are sexist. And this is one of the reasons why the backlash happened. If devs want to treat people who have always wanted historical accuracy in Battlefield as sexist the minute it involves a disabled woman on the front lines (sure, view them as ridiculous if you like but they're not sexist), then I know I would want nothing to do with them. I'm completely against this trend of devs and media attacking the fanbase whenever it's convenient or advantageous for them to do so. This is exactly what Boogie talked about in his video.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 22, 2018 12:08:48 GMT
I do think that extrapolating from brick and wall figures alone simply won't do the job anymore. Most of the purchases are done digitally and the old retailers won't win back any market share with physicals. 5 years may be generous estimate. I agree in theory, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the ratio is wrong. I suppose we'll see. Though, there's quite a lot of factors playing against EA at the moment, their response to said criticism is just one of them. Yeah, it might be indicative. It's hard to tell.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 22, 2018 12:44:12 GMT
In terms of pre-orders they're coming off of Battlefront 2; which was a PR disaster with all their MTs. So, take that into consideration.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Aug 22, 2018 14:12:40 GMT
It's odd how historical accuracy only seems to be an issue when women are involved. Funny that. haha yes I hate women look at me i'm a misogynist it's not like devs keep throwing women and minorities into historically inaccurate situations thus resulting in an abundance of people complaining about such situations since there are alot of them, no that's stupid lmao dumb misogynists
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 22, 2018 15:32:22 GMT
Much will be answered by actually playing the game.I'm looking forward to downloading the demo in 12 days...
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Post by vonuber on Aug 22, 2018 19:16:19 GMT
haha yes I hate women look at me i'm a misogynist it's not like devs keep throwing women and minorities into historically inaccurate situations thus resulting in an abundance of people complaining about such situations since there are alot of them, no that's stupid lmao dumb misogynists I'm confused - what historically inaccurate situations are you on about here? And why is it only women and minorities you are concerned about?
I mean I'm assuming you are not complaining about the presence of Black or Indian troops, because of course you would know that they were used in, for example, both the French and UK forces in large numbers. So I am assuming it is only the presence of a woman that has you irked?
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Aug 22, 2018 19:43:12 GMT
Given the 1.3 million Indian troops who served in WW1, we should have had those n instead of the yanks. Gosh imagine the shit storm then.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Aug 22, 2018 21:55:41 GMT
haha yes I hate women look at me i'm a misogynist it's not like devs keep throwing women and minorities into historically inaccurate situations thus resulting in an abundance of people complaining about such situations since there are alot of them, no that's stupid lmao dumb misogynists I'm confused - what historically inaccurate situations are you on about here? And why is it only women and minorities you are concerned about?
I mean I'm assuming you are not complaining about the presence of Black or Indian troops, because of course you would know that they were used in, for example, both the French and UK forces in large numbers. So I am assuming it is only the presence of a woman that has you irked?
dude I don't know what you want from me I already admitted that I hate women and minorities and that i'm just angry because I can't appreciate the sacrifices of crippled female frontline infantry fighters in WW2 or the reality of the large black Nazi population i'm just a bigot like that
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Post by correctamundo on Aug 23, 2018 12:53:42 GMT
Much will be answered by actually playing the game.I'm looking forward to downloading the demo in 12 days... See you in game huh?
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 23, 2018 14:49:44 GMT
See you in game huh? Pretty much. As it features a four-person co-op, that's pretty much pre-Anthem without the mechs.
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Post by correctamundo on Aug 23, 2018 14:56:36 GMT
See you in game huh? Pretty much. As it features a four-person co-op, that's pretty much pre-Anthem without the mechs. This will be grand!
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 29, 2018 2:10:31 GMT
People sure will go out of their way to defend poor business practices, and adding robo-bitch to a fucking world war II game
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Aug 29, 2018 17:12:31 GMT
aww shit, someone spilled the salt again Calm the fuck down, mein dude.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 29, 2018 17:37:31 GMT
aww shit, someone spilled the salt again If that was directed at me? I hate to disappoint but I just took Soderlund's advice and decided to not purchase the game, the first Battlefield mind you I will not purchase since I started playing at around Battlefield 2 way back in 2005. I just think that the video was amusing, I suggest you watch if you want a quick laugh. Hrmm, you know, I do wonder how many fans like me, took him up on that little bit of purchasing advice? Maybe, just maybe, telling people if they aren't willing to accept your political narrative and enjoy being called ignorant or a bigot and they just shouldn't buy it, wasn't the best bit of marketing PR he could have left the game before launch? ._. Also just as a closing note, this isn't a argument, if you sought debate, you should learn that immediately leaping to "discredit" the opposition is the tactic of the SJW and they ruined it for everyone, I suggest you update your playbook.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 29, 2018 18:06:03 GMT
I preordered the game, the first Battlefield game I've ever pre-ordered. I'm looking forward to sharing my findings from the beta on the 4th (next week).
I like having choices in a game, so I suspect I'll be playing as a range of characters.
And to those who are easily triggered and don't want to play, they also have that choice and that right, that's fine too. Possibly not the best marketing move from EA to antagonize some players but at least it's honest to explain what's in the game. I guess we'll see soon enough what the prognosis is, post-launch.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 29, 2018 18:16:31 GMT
And to those who are easily triggered and don't want to play The sheer pretentiousness of this made me roll my eyes. But hey, chalk up however you like, if you want folks to listen to you? Hit them in the wallet, and I think the Pre-Order numbers did that, and well, we shall have to see how it sells in those first two weeks, who knows...The Pre-Order numbers might be a fluke, we both know they aren't, but they could be. But sure, I am sure it was just a bunch of easily triggered woman hating bigot misogynists It couldn't be that they just alienated their core fan base and potentially sunk their game before launch by doing so. I mean, doing something like this on the back of their failure of a Star Wars game to boot, likely didn't help them at all, when combined with what they are up against when the game releases...Brilliant, they are just geniuses. But, it couldn't be that, it has to be a bunch of easily triggered snowflakes that just decided to hate cyborg wamens in world war two all of a sudden.
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