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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 21, 2018 13:24:52 GMT
I don't think anyone made a claim here that women can't fight, or that no women were involved in fighting during WW2. It's more that in the western front at least, women in fighting roles wasn't something common, you might even say that it was *very* rare. Even with the first example you mentioned her role was initially to serve as a courier, simply because women tended to be effective as spies / infiltrators / saboteurs during that period precisely because most enemies didn't expect them to be dangerous, and the element of surprise is very valuable when it comes to warfare. In the eastern front things were somewhat different, though only to a degree. Most female soldiers tended to serve as snipers and pilots, so again, even though they were close to the action they didn't serve as part of the actual front line. Needless to say, as far as I'm aware (and I did try looking it up) no women with missing limbs fought during WW2 on the side of the allies. None of the above explains why a disabled female soldier featured so prominently in that trailer. I'm not sure what the point of this was, but to me it looked ridiculous. though is ridiculous and quite frankly insulting to those who did. You cherry-picking a handful of spies to try to pretty them up to be soldiers is insulting to the proper soldiery of that war to my eye.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 21, 2018 13:27:11 GMT
Well, I'm excited for it at least. Also no offense, but anyone who is arguing that games like Battlefield or Call of Duty are supposed to be realistic war simulators are mistaken. They have never been realistic. They try to make the atmosphere as realistic as possible, but whenever they can take liberties for whatever reason, whether that be for story or gameplay or so on, they always take it. Call of duty WW2 had a mission were you play as a female french spy that goes on a undercover mission to assassinate high profile nazi targets. Turns out no one had issue with that. I did, the German Officer and the Spy were both fucking retarded in that scene. Officer for actually just not having them shot before they even got into the HQ, her for that belated execution that nearly got her killed like six times, the entire scene was just fucking stupid.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 21, 2018 13:28:29 GMT
And this character is based off the real women who fought in WW2 on the front lines. Even you acknowledged that not just Russian women fought on the front. What's the issue here then? Because the idea of disabled female soldiers fighting on the front line is laughable, especially so during WW2 but also in general. We still don't have combat worthy prosthetics today.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Aug 21, 2018 13:30:36 GMT
I have other games that have my interest this year: Spider-Man, Red Dead and Assassins Creed (maybe a few others), but how can people pay $60 for what is essentially a Battle Royale experience? Especially when Fortnight is "free." People care that much about zombies? We don't know that Black Ops is doing that well, in fact the rumours that pre-order numbers are down on previous title. It could just be Battlefield 5 is doing exceptionally poorly, and actually that's pretty much the only conclusion we can draw currently. Heh, zombies. How is Call of Duty still surviving ... Despite being mediocre or barely good (and dumbed down single player campaign) it's been solid for its multiplayer normie fans for 10 years since WaW and Modern Warfare. Also it hasn't gone WOKE and therefore not BROKE!
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 21, 2018 14:22:41 GMT
Of course inaccuracies are to be expected in any game, just as they are in movies. But most of them are so minor that they don't mess with our suspension of disbelief. No one complains when you can play an Allied soldier armed with a StG44 in a scenario set in 1940, just as no one gave a fuck when then Mi-24 Hind helicopter in First Blood Part 2 was just an Aérospatiale Puma with some wings and missile pods glued to the sides.
But some inaccuracies are so obvious that our suspension of disbelief stops working. That's why so few WW2 games and movies have nazis riding on jetpack sharks with laser eyes. It's also why so few WW2 games and movies have women with cyber-arms teaming up with dudes of color wearing some odd gang outfit. Because that looks like alternate history, and if a game wants to go for that, fine - just don't tell us that we'll be immersed in WW2 like never before.
And it's nice that Mr. Soderlund's 13 year old daughter can now feel represented in WW2, at the tiny, tiny price that those who were actually there and fought and died by the hundreds of thousands, like the Polish and French, are gone... or what's the popular term these days... "erased" from the game. I suppose they weren't important enough, or maybe not enough of a minority. I was so excited to get an atmospheric WW2 shooter based on the Frostbite engine, but apparently I'm getting "Diversity Brigade vs the Third Reich".
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 21, 2018 15:02:58 GMT
..., but apparently I'm getting "Diversity Brigade vs the Third Reich". Dafuq? Do you mean there will be no diversity on the 3rd Reich side?
No black nazi chick inna cyber-wheelchair?
Preorder cancelled.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 21, 2018 15:13:45 GMT
Eh. Let me know when Battlefield 2142 gets a remake/sequel.
Personally, I think WW2 era games, especially FPS, are nearing the saturation level in the market now a days. The fact that developers are having to 'spice up' games like this with Nazi Zombies, Battle Royal modes, and increased diversity quotas seems to point to the general public becoming exhausted with the setting. WW2 games are a dime a dozen and even films set during this time period are starting to drag a bit, from what I can see.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 21, 2018 15:22:56 GMT
Eh. Let me know when Battlefield 2142 gets a remake/sequel. Personally, I think WW2 era games, especially FPS, are nearing the saturation level in the market now a days. The fact that developers are having to 'spice up' games like this with Nazi Zombies, Battle Royal modes, and increased diversity quotas seems to point to the general public becoming exhausted with the setting. WW2 games are a dime a dozen and even films set during this time period are starting to drag a bit, from what I can see. There was some time when FPS MP wouldn't feature any other setting. But I agree - who wants to play the nazis when the other side gets the cool gadgets?
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Post by smilesja on Aug 21, 2018 15:46:24 GMT
You know there are other major factors than just Social justice affecting the pre orders.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 21, 2018 15:53:46 GMT
You know there are other major factors than just Social justice affecting the pre orders. Ye system requirements. BF1 already crashed randomly. MEA ran like a slog after a while. No way I'm buying any of these games before I upgrade.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Aug 21, 2018 18:40:37 GMT
You know there are other major factors than just Social justice affecting the pre orders. I know. Sometimes superior games win and inferior games fail!
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Aug 21, 2018 18:44:35 GMT
Eh. Let me know when Battlefield 2142 gets a remake/sequel. Personally, I think WW2 era games, especially FPS, are nearing the saturation level in the market now a days. The fact that developers are having to 'spice up' games like this with Nazi Zombies, Battle Royal modes, and increased diversity quotas seems to point to the general public becoming exhausted with the setting. WW2 games are a dime a dozen and even films set during this time period are starting to drag a bit, from what I can see. Call of Duty II and COD: World at War are very good games. They're from the awesome 2000s gaming decade tho. I r an infiltrator tbh. I've never played a Battlefield game evar!
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 21, 2018 21:07:57 GMT
DICE have clearly cherry-picked such a circumstance to show game inclusivity. Can't say it troubles me. I can't say this surprises me given your stance on things. Robo bitch can fucking die on the tire fire of the games pre-launch sales though. Thank you, I like to maintain a rational and balanced stance on things. As for 'robo-bitch' you will need to wait until the PVP sections to do such a character in, I'm not sure what else you meant by that second line.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 21, 2018 21:13:50 GMT
I’m sure the YouTube comments will be calm and rational.
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Post by river82 on Aug 21, 2018 21:37:18 GMT
I think Boogie summed up the controversy the best in his video. It wasn't so much the historical inaccuracy, it was the antagonistic attitude of the developers and media to those who wanted historical accuracy, essentially painting them with the same brush as the people who don't want women, that has made the matter explode ("sorry Soderlund, I'm too uneducated to pre-order" has been uttered more than once). From the 2.50 minute mark he addresses the controversy, and I think it's fairly insightful stuff ... despite the title of the video, which is fairly clickbaity
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 22:24:26 GMT
Boogie nailed it.
But yes, it has been said to vote with your wallet and EA basically told us to do so, and people are doing it. Looking past the issue itself in regards to historical accuracy and women, this is simply a PR nightmare. The antagonism and harsh language to consumers with this game should be lessons to be learned.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 21, 2018 23:26:16 GMT
Boogie nailed it. But yes, it has been said to vote with your wallet and EA basically told us to do so, and people are doing it. Looking past the issue itself in regards to historical accuracy and women, this is simply a PR nightmare. The antagonism and harsh language to consumers with this game should be lessons to be learned. More like other more heavily anticipated games are on the horizon and EA is selling well a worn genre.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 22, 2018 0:45:03 GMT
I can't say this surprises me given your stance on things. Robo bitch can fucking die on the tire fire of the games pre-launch sales though. Thank you, I like to maintain a rational and balanced stance on things. As for 'robo-bitch' you will need to wait until the PVP sections to do such a character in, I'm not sure what else you meant by that second line. The entire thing is straightforward
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 22, 2018 2:47:12 GMT
Robo bitch can fucking die on the tire fire of the games pre-launch sales though. This is a very compact/dense statement, that I think after three reads I understand. Robo-bitch - // we get who this is can fucking die - // obvious tire fire of the games pre-launch sales - // so many unsold copies, they will be burnt like used tires in a dumpster fire, and robo-bitch deserves that death SofaJockey, free translation for ya. Not sure if it's 100, and it is not my opinion although I agree with it mostly without caring so personally, but I was never a soldier I think Battlefield sucks, so That's about all I have to say here. But I am glad to see DICE/EA sucking poop.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Aug 22, 2018 4:35:32 GMT
turns out that marring a brutal historical conflict with inaccuracies for the sake of a political agenda doesn't make people want to buy your game
who'd have thunk
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 22, 2018 4:43:14 GMT
Battlefield V clearly needs to have a successful beta in a couple of weeks as it has stiff competition.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 22, 2018 7:46:04 GMT
turns out that marring a brutal historical conflict with inaccuracies for the sake of a political agenda doesn't make people want to buy your game who'd have thunk Or: "more like other more heavily anticipated games are on the horizon and EA is selling well a worn genre." You do understand that its enitrely optional to play as women?
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Post by vonuber on Aug 22, 2018 8:38:06 GMT
It's odd how historical accuracy only seems to be an issue when women are involved.
Funny that.
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