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Post by linksocarina on May 29, 2018 12:35:45 GMT
Y'all are arguing over BF V... Meanwhile I'm sittin' here playing Post Scriptum. I never heard of that one...
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Post by CHRrOME on May 29, 2018 14:02:18 GMT
Y'all are arguing over BF V... Meanwhile I'm sittin' here playing Post Scriptum. I never heard of that one... A pseudo realistic new WWII game, kinda like Verdun but with a WWII flavor.
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Post by bshep on May 29, 2018 16:53:43 GMT
Anyone who likes to use SJW term in a serious tone is a bigot and doesn't deserve any attention.
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Post by linksocarina on May 29, 2018 17:08:17 GMT
I never heard of that one... A pseudo realistic new WWII game, kinda like Verdun but with a WWII flavor. PC only? I'll check it out but I don't know if my laptop can take fairly new games too well.
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Post by CHRrOME on May 29, 2018 17:13:00 GMT
A pseudo realistic new WWII game, kinda like Verdun but with a WWII flavor. PC only? I'll check it out but I don't know if my laptop can take fairly new games too well. I think it's only on PC, yes. I'm not even sure if it has been properly released or its a early access game.
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Post by Serza on May 29, 2018 18:15:18 GMT
Yes, it's only running early access public beta for people who purchased. Or ran, this weekend. Scuttlebutt says next weekend is another, and launch is mid-June.
It's a historically accurate, extremely realistic (as far as games go) and immersive (no shit about that) game. I fanboyed hard when I saw Hotel Hartenstein in Oosterbeek.
It's also currently focused on the northern reach of Operation Market-Garden, as you could've found out from me talking about Hartenstein and Oosterbeek. The "Bridge Too Far" operation. There are plans on adding the US Airborne factions later on (and possibly Fallshirmjäger, since I doubt the 9th and 10th SS Panzer Divisions handled all of the fighting - by historical accounts, some Fallshirmjäger were in the area at the time) and British 1st Airborne + XXX Corps are already in, as are the aforementioned SS Panzer Divisions.
Wish list (may or may not be listened to) includes a Normandy DLC later on. I'd kill for Overlord (Gimme Pointe du Hoc!), Battle of the Bulge and even Varsity.
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Post by linksocarina on May 29, 2018 18:40:15 GMT
Yes, it's only running early access public beta for people who purchased. Or ran, this weekend. Scuttlebutt says next weekend is another, and launch is mid-June. It's a historically accurate, extremely realistic (as far as games go) and immersive (no shit about that) game. I fanboyed hard when I saw Hotel Hartenstein in Oosterbeek. It's also currently focused on the northern reach of Operation Market-Garden, as you could've found out from me talking about Hartenstein and Oosterbeek. The "Bridge Too Far" operation. There are plans on adding the US Airborne factions later on (and possibly Fallshirmjäger, since I doubt the 9th and 10th SS Panzer Divisions handled all of the fighting - by historical accounts, some Fallshirmjäger were in the area at the time) and British 1st Airborne + XXX Corps are already in, as are the aforementioned SS Panzer Divisions. Wish list (may or may not be listened to) includes a Normandy DLC later on. I'd kill for Overlord (Gimme Pointe du Hoc!), Battle of the Bulge and even Varsity. My only worry is if they go too over-board like the War for Rights game...excellent concept and id love to see more games about the Civil War, but it is so damn hard to do that outside of a strategy game.
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Post by ashaantha on May 29, 2018 23:31:07 GMT
The only thought I have in the trailer matter is check out her prosthetic arm, it -looks- historically accurate for the time, the style/model etc. I don't really care about anything else, but feel that it's awesome that it at least looks like it's from the right time period and to me that's enough. Sorry, had to voice the thought somewhere and my gaming group would ostracize me as they're on the hate rage at the moment over it, and I'm as confused about that as everything else lol.
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Post by Element Zero on May 30, 2018 2:49:28 GMT
The only thought I have in the trailer matter is check out her prosthetic arm, it -looks- historically accurate for the time, the style/model etc. I don't really care about anything else, but feel that it's awesome that it at least looks like it's from the right time period and to me that's enough. Sorry, had to voice the thought somewhere and my gaming group would ostracize me as they're on the hate rage at the moment over it, and I'm as confused about that as everything else lol. I don't play these games, so I don't know how "true to life" fans should realistically have come to expect them to be. The annoyance seems real and widespread, though, and not all of it is coming from irrational bigots, as many like to paint anyone that complains about ham-fisted "inclusion". Some items seem very true to the time, but I don't think that's the complaint. It's more the circumstance, context and power-fantasy vibe (as opposed to a war simulator vibe) that seems to have people up in arms. Like I said before, I'm curious to see what happens once it launches. About the time the SJW complaints start to cool, some gamers will hit "Start" and realize that the trailer was prerendered footage with a HUD, rather than actual gameplay. That aspect I would find annoying, were I awaiting this game. Prerendered announcement trailers are fine. Why add a sketchy layer of seeming subterfuge by layering a HUD over it?
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 30, 2018 6:44:13 GMT
The only thought I have in the trailer matter is check out her prosthetic arm, it -looks- historically accurate for the time, the style/model etc. I don't really care about anything else, but feel that it's awesome that it at least looks like it's from the right time period and to me that's enough. Sorry, had to voice the thought somewhere and my gaming group would ostracize me as they're on the hate rage at the moment over it, and I'm as confused about that as everything else lol. You people haven't probably seen how much (semi)disabled people are weak and can't do much help in any physical work or battle... maybe they can just as meat shield! Either it's historically accurate and it's a useless arm, or it's futuristic sci-fi and not historically accurate, thus a useful robotic/cyborg hand. Choose one!
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Post by SofaJockey on May 30, 2018 11:04:20 GMT
You people haven't probably seen how much (semi)disabled people are weak and can't do much help in any physical work or battle... maybe they can just as meat shield! Either it's historically accurate and it's a useless arm, or it's futuristic sci-fi and not historically accurate, thus a useful robotic/cyborg hand. Choose one! It's a 2m 35 trailer without context. We don't know if it's from a campaign mission or from the 4 person co-op. Assuming there is some plot we don't know what that plot is. We don't know if the character is a rescued prisoner, an agent or whatever. Like most if not all trailers, there's very little we can deduce accurately without seeing this scene in its place. In context, it may be entirely appropriate or it may not be.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 30, 2018 11:38:27 GMT
The only thought I have in the trailer matter is check out her prosthetic arm, it -looks- historically accurate for the time, the style/model etc. I don't really care about anything else, but feel that it's awesome that it at least looks like it's from the right time period and to me that's enough. Sorry, had to voice the thought somewhere and my gaming group would ostracize me as they're on the hate rage at the moment over it, and I'm as confused about that as everything else lol. You people haven't probably seen how much (semi)disabled people are weak and can't do much help in any physical work or battle... maybe they can just as meat shield! Either it's historically accurate and it's a useless arm, or it's futuristic sci-fi and not historically accurate, thus a useful robotic/cyborg hand. Choose one! The level of butthurt was amusing for a time. But I decided to see if there was anything real that people were complaining about. And I notice no rage over the guy jumping from a second floor window and not wrecking his knee on a very hard landing. I notice no rage about a crashing plane not liquefying a soldier who manages a quiet gurgle before death....just rage over the "cyborg hand" as you call it. I've clearly been reading/watching the wrong science fiction. Other than a query of how a 'real world' version of this would allow the wearer to move the misshapen claw she has for a hand as it appears to oriented differently when holding the gun at the start to what it is here, I can't see why anyone would have an issue. Unless they also had an issue with the other two things I mentioned. Which would be fine. But having no issue with those two other things, which are far more obviously "not realistic" and having a huge issue with a woman having a prosthetic arm....? That's some deep seated misogynistic bullshit right there.
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Post by Gileadan on May 30, 2018 11:55:11 GMT
Heh, to me the entire trailer is the issue. The chaos, the fact that almost no one looks like a regular WW2 soldier, the vehicle dropping on the enemy dude, the bearded dude (whatever faction he belongs to, I sure can't tell from the looks) hushing the player before supposedly murdering him (makes no sense at all to waste time like that in the middle of this mess)... it all combines to give me a feeling of alternate universe levels of weirdness. And that's not good after the devs kept repeating how players would be immersed in WW2 like never before.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on May 30, 2018 12:16:40 GMT
So I'm not interested in BF but there's a lot of discussion going on in Twitch streamers' chat that I've to take a look. It's a AU WWII, right? Because the depiction of WWII in the trailer is not historically correct. Granted, BF scenarios or any war game scenarios are hardly 100% realistic; they're arcade-like shooters in historical settings but there is mostly simulated correctness. This is not the case with BF V.
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Post by CHRrOME on May 30, 2018 15:14:14 GMT
Heh, to me the entire trailer is the issue. The chaos, the fact that almost no one looks like a regular WW2 soldier, the vehicle dropping on the enemy dude, the bearded dude (whatever faction he belongs to, I sure can't tell from the looks) hushing the player before supposedly murdering him (makes no sense at all to waste time like that in the middle of this mess)... it all combines to give me a feeling of alternate universe levels of weirdness. And that's not good after the devs kept repeating how players would be immersed in WW2 like never before. Exactly, the problem here is the trailer. Terrible bad presented, it reminds me of some of those car ads that make no sense at all, and at the end they show you the car they're advertising. I honestly don't understand what's going on with trailers of late, it seems the idea is to confuse the viewer rather than hype.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 30, 2018 15:40:18 GMT
Heh, to me the entire trailer is the issue. The chaos, the fact that almost no one looks like a regular WW2 soldier, the vehicle dropping on the enemy dude, the bearded dude (whatever faction he belongs to, I sure can't tell from the looks) hushing the player before supposedly murdering him (makes no sense at all to waste time like that in the middle of this mess)... it all combines to give me a feeling of alternate universe levels of weirdness. And that's not good after the devs kept repeating how players would be immersed in WW2 like never before. I don't really know how "immersive WW2" really looks like. Endless weeks with no action and then a random shot in the belly, maybe? Freezing body parts in Russian Winter? Picking up the skullbone fragments of your mate from your uniform?
War isn't a nice "immersive" thing, it's awful and dreadful. Maybe that's why they make it more fantasy-like. Real war wouldn't sell as well.
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Post by Gileadan on May 30, 2018 16:24:04 GMT
I don't really know how "immersive WW2" really looks like. Endless weeks with no action and then a random shot in the belly, maybe? Freezing body parts in Russian Winter? Picking up the skullbone fragments of your mate from your uniform?
War isn't a nice "immersive" thing, it's awful and dreadful. Maybe that's why they make it more fantasy-like. Real war wouldn't sell as well.
Hm... I said "immersive", not "realistic". Pretty much none of the things you mentioned make sense in a multiplayer game anyway. It should look and sound like WW2, with soldiers and vehicles and maps resembling their historical counterparts as closely as possible. The rumbling of a Tiger tank's engine, the howl of Stuka dive bombers, the scream of Nebelwerfer rocket artillery. The BF1 trailers managed to be immersive - they showed brutal trench warfare, the terror of infantry overrun by the first tanks, the deafening thunder of artillery being fired. Like a WW1 action movie that takes itself at least somewhat seriously but does not linger on the horrible details. You hear and see the explosions and all that, but you (fortunately) don't hear or see soldiers dying screaming to terrible wounds. It is a power fantasy of sorts - here you are, rushing through a hell that looks and sounds, but luckily doesn't feel, like a world war, and that makes for some good shooting excitement. And every part of the game that does not look or sound like the conflict it is using as a setting is taking a little bit away from that feeling. The things you mentioned are realistic, yes, but that's not what I meant. Realism is not needed or wanted in most multiplayer games, but if a game picks a certain setting, it should make an effort to stay true to it, within the limitation of being a game and the need for fun game mechanics. Otherwise we could just go ahead and add jetpack nazis with laser cannons.
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Post by bshep on May 30, 2018 17:25:16 GMT
Wanna immersion go play "This War of Mine". All this talk about immersion on BF seems like just a excuse.The series was always a pew pew game loosely based on historical wars.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 30, 2018 17:40:02 GMT
I don't really know how "immersive WW2" really looks like. Endless weeks with no action and then a random shot in the belly, maybe? Freezing body parts in Russian Winter? Picking up the skullbone fragments of your mate from your uniform?
War isn't a nice "immersive" thing, it's awful and dreadful. Maybe that's why they make it more fantasy-like. Real war wouldn't sell as well.
Hm... I said "immersive", not "realistic". Pretty much none of the things you mentioned make sense in a multiplayer game anyway. It should look and sound like WW2, with soldiers and vehicles and maps resembling their historical counterparts as closely as possible. The rumbling of a Tiger tank's engine, the howl of Stuka dive bombers, the scream of Nebelwerfer rocket artillery. The BF1 trailers managed to be immersive - they showed brutal trench warfare, the terror of infantry overrun by the first tanks, the deafening thunder of artillery being fired. Like a WW1 action movie that takes itself at least somewhat seriously but does not linger on the horrible details. You hear and see the explosions and all that, but you (fortunately) don't hear or see soldiers dying screaming to terrible wounds. It is a power fantasy of sorts - here you are, rushing through a hell that looks and sounds, but luckily doesn't feel, like a world war, and that makes for some good shooting excitement. And every part of the game that does not look or sound like the conflict it is using as a setting is taking a little bit away from that feeling. The things you mentioned are realistic, yes, but that's not what I meant. Realism is not needed or wanted in most multiplayer games, but if a game picks a certain setting, it should make an effort to stay true to it, within the limitation of being a game and the need for fun game mechanics. Otherwise we could just go ahead and add jetpack nazis with laser cannons. I don't expect to tell from a trailer anyway. What I can tell from this trailer is that it is set in WWII era and that I see the familiar looks of a Frostbite engine. No gameplay, just some looks. It's just a marketing trailer. And maybe that's the problem - they simply don't show gameplay.
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Post by Gileadan on May 30, 2018 17:59:53 GMT
I don't expect to tell from a trailer anyway. What I can tell from this trailer is that it is set in WWII era and that I see the familiar looks of a Frostbite engine. No gameplay, just some looks. It's just a marketing trailer. And maybe that's the problem - they simply don't show gameplay. I suppose the idea of the trailer was to show off soldier customization, and they cranked that up to 11. And yes, the trailer doesn't feel like gameplay, but not like a cinematic either. It is "gamey" because of things like the prothesis girl actually respawning (or getting fixed by a medic off screen) because unless she had a twin sister, she gets downed right at the beginning of the trailer and then shows up again moments later. It's an action sequence with WW2 equipment. I was just bitching about immersion because the devs mentioned it repeatedly during the reveal show, it's not some arbitrary demand I'm making just because.
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Post by General Mahad on May 30, 2018 19:15:53 GMT
You people haven't probably seen how much (semi)disabled people are weak and can't do much help in any physical work or battle... maybe they can just as meat shield! Either it's historically accurate and it's a useless arm, or it's futuristic sci-fi and not historically accurate, thus a useful robotic/cyborg hand. Choose one! The level of butthurt was amusing for a time. But I decided to see if there was anything real that people were complaining about. And I notice no rage over the guy jumping from a second floor window and not wrecking his knee on a very hard landing. I notice no rage about a crashing plane not liquefying a soldier who manages a quiet gurgle before death....just rage over the "cyborg hand" as you call it. I've clearly been reading/watching the wrong science fiction. Other than a query of how a 'real world' version of this would allow the wearer to move the misshapen claw she has for a hand as it appears to oriented differently when holding the gun at the start to what it is here, I can't see why anyone would have an issue. Unless they also had an issue with the other two things I mentioned. Which would be fine. But having no issue with those two other things, which are far more obviously "not realistic" and having a huge issue with a woman having a prosthetic arm....? That's some deep seated misogynistic bullshit right there. Complete nonsense, even men who lost their arms wouldn't be allowed to serve on the frontlines and would be discharged. Insurgents/Partisans might allow amputees to fight on the frontlines but that's a VERY big stretch and this woman is obviously suppose to be in the British Army.
Also if there was "deep seated misogynistic bullshit" why weren't the BF1 trailers that featured women downvoted to hell?
Why wasn't this expansion and trailer complained about? Why was it positively received by both gamers and critics?
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Post by Pounce de León on May 30, 2018 20:08:31 GMT
I don't expect to tell from a trailer anyway. What I can tell from this trailer is that it is set in WWII era and that I see the familiar looks of a Frostbite engine. No gameplay, just some looks. It's just a marketing trailer. And maybe that's the problem - they simply don't show gameplay. I suppose the idea of the trailer was to show off soldier customization, and they cranked that up to 11. And yes, the trailer doesn't feel like gameplay, but not like a cinematic either. It is "gamey" because of things like the prothesis girl actually respawning (or getting fixed by a medic off screen) because unless she had a twin sister, she gets downed right at the beginning of the trailer and then shows up again moments later. It's an action sequence with WW2 equipment. I was just bitching about immersion because the devs mentioned it repeatedly during the reveal show, it's not some arbitrary demand I'm making just because. I see. I dint follow the whole thing that much. I guess it all was somewhat successful in raising at least awareness.
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Post by Larry-3 on May 30, 2018 20:08:49 GMT
I actually do not care if women serve on the frontlines, or take a military career in general. I hate war, but femal soldiers are not enough to get me triggered. When I first viewed the Battlefield V trailer, I did not think much of the women. One thing that really bothered me was how cartoon-y it seemed. Well... At first glance it seemed that way to me. As strange as it might seem, I favor dimmer atmospheres, sunsets, and to a lesser extent, murky sky environments. I was hoping for environments that look something like this...
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Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, Dragon Age The Veilguard
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 30, 2018 20:36:32 GMT
The level of butthurt was amusing for a time. But I decided to see if there was anything real that people were complaining about. And I notice no rage over the guy jumping from a second floor window and not wrecking his knee on a very hard landing. I notice no rage about a crashing plane not liquefying a soldier who manages a quiet gurgle before death....just rage over the "cyborg hand" as you call it. *snipped to prevent huge post* I've clearly been reading/watching the wrong science fiction. Other than a query of how a 'real world' version of this would allow the wearer to move the misshapen claw she has for a hand as it appears to oriented differently when holding the gun at the start to what it is here, I can't see why anyone would have an issue. Unless they also had an issue with the other two things I mentioned. Which would be fine. But having no issue with those two other things, which are far more obviously "not realistic" and having a huge issue with a woman having a prosthetic arm....? That's some deep seated misogynistic bullshit right there. Complete nonsense, even men who lost their arms wouldn't be allowed to serve on the frontlines and would be discharged. Insurgents/Partisans might allow amputees to fight on the frontlines but that's a VERY big stretch and this woman is obviously suppose to be in the British Army.
Also if there was "deep seated misogynistic bullshit" why weren't the BF1 trailers that featured women downvoted to hell?
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Why wasn't this expansion and trailer complained about? Why was it positively received by both gamers and critics?
No idea. Although, the trailer you linked (which was also the one I found in a quick search) only featured a woman voiceover. Unless there was something really subtle that I missed - or another trailer showing a woman in action - it isn't clear at all that a female character is involved in the action. I haven't played BF since 1942 came out, all that time ago so don't know if there were actually women fighting in this DLC. I assume so, but don't know. My point remains about the other - far more unrealistic in my opinion - moments in the trailer. The guy jumping out a second floor window and just grunting, the soldier not being vapourised by a a plane hitting him...none of these stick out to you as being worthy of complaint? If realism is oh-so-important? I'm not bothered by either of them. Nor am I bothered by the woman with the prosthetic arm. If people aren't bothered by the other two things but are bothered by the woman with a prosthetic arm who participates in combat, then I submit that the problem is not 'lack of realism'.
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