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Post by colfoley on Sept 13, 2017 0:45:16 GMT
This has been something I have been wanting to do with a while, and with the news of MEAs demise it seems like this will be the last BioWare characters we will ever get for a while...unless Anthem is something else then what we all think it is. Basically, ranking all the BioWare characters, specifically the companions and the secondary crew. Using my system, or really any system. So without further ado. Tier 1: Cassandra Pentaghast, Dorian Pavus, Garrus Vakarian, James Vega, Anders, Allistair Therrin, Varric Tethras, Thane Krios, Miranda Lawson, Cullen Tier 2: Fenris, Sera, Leiliana, Josephine, Jaal Ama Derav, Drack, Wrex, Solas, Cora Harper, Kasumi Goto, Joker, Samantha Traynor, Kaidan Alenko, Sandal, Bodhen, Kallo, Tier 3, Ashley Williams, EDI, Liam Kosta, Peebee, Vivienne, Cole,Grunt, Zaeed Massani, Steve Cortez, Stenn, Morrigan, Suvi, Gil, Tier 4: Liara Tsoni, Blackwall, Javik, Zevran, Shale, Lexi, Tier 5: Oghren, Isabella, And that is about all I can remember right now. If I missed any, do let me know.
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Post by kalasaurus on Sept 13, 2017 0:54:30 GMT
Are you ranking them on quality or quantity of content, or how much you like them?
You missed Wynne and Iron Bull.
edit: and Sebastian, Samara... maybe Aria and Tallis if you count them too
edit edit: and Vetra! (I'm remembering them all slowly...)
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Post by cmoe on Sept 13, 2017 0:57:01 GMT
Is Sebastian Tier 6? Not that I blame you. But Aveline doesn't even get a mention?
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Post by themikefest on Sept 13, 2017 1:24:37 GMT
top Miranda, Ashley, Zaeed, Javik, Cora, Drack, James, Mordin, Samantha, Harbinger, Rupert Gardner, TIM, Conrad. Leliana, Isabela, Meredith, dog, Cassandra, Dorian, Josephine, Fiend, space Hamster, Wreav, Kirrahe, Udina, Primarch Victus, Bradley, Bethany, Carver, Flemeth, SR2, Morrigan, Aveline, Gianna, Loghain, Celene, Talking Man, Broodmother,
good Vetra, Jaal, Kaidan, Jacob, Samara, Suvi, Kallo, Vivienne, Bull, Cullen, Harding, Dagna, Tela Vasir, Steve, Kelly, Kal'Reegar, Xen, Alistair, Chakwas, Adams, Jenkins,
below average Kasumi, Legion, Grunt, Lexi, Gil, Varric, Joker, Fenris, Raan, Gerrell, Sten, Shale,
somewhere on the bottom T'soni, peepee, Tali, Thane, Jack, edi, Wrex, Garrus, Liam, Anders, Merrill, Orsino, Cole, Anderson, Kai Leng, Addison, Solas, Oghren, Zevran, Blackwall, Benezia, Anora, Sera, SAM, Hackett
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Post by zarrokhai on Sept 13, 2017 2:08:23 GMT
Hmm, sounds interesting. I'll rank mine based on the best written character to the worst in my humble opinion.
Tier 1: Loghain, Legion, Mordin, Wrex, Solas, Samara, Sten, and Blackwall.
Tier 2: Thane, Garrus, Alistair, Morrigan, Miranda, Drack, Nathaniel Howe, Varric, Wynne, Shale, Liara, Tali, Isabella, Fenris, Cole, Dorian, Justice and Javik.
Tier 3: Zevran, Anders, EDI, Kasumi, Grunt, Cassandra, Leliana, Kaidan, Ashley, Sighrun, James Vega, Merrill, Iron Bull, Jack, Peebee, and Vivienne.
Tier 4: Liam, Zaeed, Cora, Sera, Jaal, Oghren, Velanna, Cullen, Josephine, and Tallis.
Tier 5: Jacob Taylor, Vetra Nyx, and Sebastian
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 13, 2017 3:39:21 GMT
This thread will be fun because it will trigger lots of nostalgia and fond memories. I can't rank the characters, though. I love so many so much that ranking them would be nearly impossible. Certainly, Normandy's crew would be near the top in terms of "VG buddies". In terms of quality writing and complexity, I'd put Solas and Dorian near the top (each of whom are also VG buddies). As kalasaurus said, different criteria for ranking produce different results.
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Post by cmoe on Sept 13, 2017 4:03:42 GMT
This thread will be fun because it will trigger lots of nostalgia and fond memories. I can't rank the characters, though. I love so many so much that ranking them would be nearly impossible. Certainly, Normandy's crew would be near the top in terms of "VG buddies". In terms of quality writing and complexity, I'd put Solas and Dorian near the top (each of whom are also VG buddies). As kalasaurus said, different criteria for ranking produce different results. This^.. I wasn't even going to try and tackle it. For me, there are characters I strongly dislike but would rank them somewhat high because they are well written and/or have great VAs. I would probably also want to rank DA separately from ME. I've always been drawn to the DA world more so the rankings may be biased.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 13, 2017 4:15:34 GMT
This thread will be fun because it will trigger lots of nostalgia and fond memories. I can't rank the characters, though. I love so many so much that ranking them would be nearly impossible. Certainly, Normandy's crew would be near the top in terms of "VG buddies". In terms of quality writing and complexity, I'd put Solas and Dorian near the top (each of whom are also VG buddies). As kalasaurus said, different criteria for ranking produce different results. This^.. I wasn't even going to try and tackle it. For me, there are characters I strongly dislike but would rank them somewhat high because they are well written and/or have great VAs. I would probably also want to rank DA separately from ME. I've always been drawn to the DA world more so the rankings may be biased. Exactly! It gets even trickier when you start growing all of the IPs into the mix. Hen-pecked Hou is an amazingly entertaining character. He's not as developed as the characters in DAI, as one example, but I don't love him less for it. Every adventure has had its amazing cast and companions. I couldn't possibly pick amongst them, except to say that I likely got most attached to Normandy's crew. I've played the MET hundreds of times (not an exaggeration), so it would be impossible for me to not be most attached to them. This thread makes me want to replay Jade Empire immediately.
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Post by cmoe on Sept 13, 2017 4:21:11 GMT
This^.. I wasn't even going to try and tackle it. For me, there are characters I strongly dislike but would rank them somewhat high because they are well written and/or have great VAs. I would probably also want to rank DA separately from ME. I've always been drawn to the DA world more so the rankings may be biased. Exactly! It gets even trickier when you start growing all of the IPs into the mix. Hen-pecked Hou is an amazingly entertaining character. He's not as developed as the characters in DAI, as one example, but I don't love him less for it. Every adventure has had its amazing cast and companions. I couldn't possibly pick amongst them, except to say that I likely got most attached to Normandy's crew. I've played the MET hundreds of times (not an exaggeration), so it would be impossible for me to not be most attached to them. This thread makes me want to replay Jade Empire immediately. If you add in all Bioware games, the list would be huge. I would want to break it down into a lot of different categories. Most well written, best VA's, made me laugh, made me cry.... just too many possibilities. All reasons why I love Bioware games to begin with. Now I'm thinking of reinstalling JE too.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2017 4:47:50 GMT
Hmm, of the Bioware games I have played:
Tier 1/Love: Bastila, Mission, HK-47, Kelly, Gabby, Legion, Lexi, Suvi, Dog, Shale, Leliana, Mhairi, Aveline, Merrill, Josephine, Cassandra, Cole
Tier 2/Like: Zaalbar, Juhani, T3-M4, Ashley, Tali, Liara, Garrus, EDI, Mordin, Samara, Kasumi, Samantha, Chloe, James, Kallo, Cora, Alistair, Wynne, Sigrun, Bethany
Tier 3/Neutral: Carth, Jolee, Canderous, Kaidan, Wrex, Chakwas, Adams, Miranda, Jacob, Grunt, Thane, Steve, Diana, Gil, Liam, Vetra, Drack, Jaal, Sten, Oghren, Justice, Nathaniel, Velanna, Carver, Fenris, Sebastian, Cullen
Tier 4/Dislike: Joker, Ken, Jack, Zaeed, PeeBee, Morrigan, Zevran, Varric, Isabela, Dorian, Vivienne, Sera, Iron Bull
Tier 5/Hate: Morinth, Javik, Loghain, Anders, Thom, Solas
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Sept 13, 2017 4:51:24 GMT
I would, but there are just way too many, even keeping to ME1 onward. And so far everyone seems to be largely ignoring KotOR, Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights, and Baldur's Gate. As if anyone could forget the mighty Tiax! He rules all, he does, and one day he will point and click!
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 13, 2017 5:32:52 GMT
Not necessarily in terms of like but in terms of quality
Tier 1: Tali, Cassandra, Mordin, Wrex, Vivienne, Iron Bull Tier 2: Varric, Garrus, Joker, Dorian, Morrigan, Liara, Alistair Tier 3: Samara, Solas, Leliana, Fenris, Sera, Thane, Anders, Peebee, Traynor, Sten, Anderson, Cullen, Josephine, Grunt, Miranda, EDI, Chakwas Tier 4: Drack, Ashley, Wynne, Javik, Jack, Zevran, Aveline, Cora, Blackwall, Liam, Katsumi, Isabella, Jaal, Merrill Tier 5: Kaiden, Oghren, Kelly Chambers, Suvi, Kallo, Lexi, Gil, Vetra Jacob Tier: Jacob
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Post by rahavan on Sept 13, 2017 5:46:23 GMT
Well I'll go by how much I like the characters not objectively or what ever. Great: Vivienne (shes well written and I just love to hate her), Alistair, Fenris, Cullen, Anders(awkenning), Varric, Iron bull, Solas, Wrex, Drack, Garus, Jack, Thane, mordin, EDI, Vetra, Jaal, , Carth, HK 47 Good: Morrigian, Zevran, Lelianna, Shale, Wynne, Ogrhen, Anders(DA2), Aveline, Cole, Sten, Tali, Kaiden, Liara, Grunt, Kasumi(I want more of her), Zaeed, Miranda, Samara, Legion, Cora, Mission, Hannar, Bastila Average: Dog (I might get hate for this ), Justice, sigrun( forgot she even existed), Sera, Isabela, Bethany, Blackwall (his plot twist was stupid), Ashley, Javik, James, Liam, PeeBee, T3-M4, jolee bindo, Canderous, Juhanni. Bad: Velanna, Sebastian, Carver, Merrill, Morinth (she tried to kill me!), Jacob Honorable mentions to Aria and Malavai Quinn (my husbando ). Think I got everyone from all the bioware games Iv'e played... jeez theres alot
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Post by ashaantha on Sept 13, 2017 6:49:16 GMT
Every Bioware character? far too many. But sticking to only companions/squad members in games I have played. Placed in personal opinion terms of their personality, story, background, how they interact with my characters, and overall how they come across to me as a player. Great: Garrus, Thane, EDI, Alistair, Fenris, Varric, Cole, Dorian, Solas, Cullen, Scourge, Risha, Vette, Jaesa, Scorpio, Lana, Theron, Senya, Arcann, Good: Kaidan, Wrex, Jack, Grunt, Mordin, Zaeed, Drack, Vetra, Zevran, Anders, Nathaniel Howe, Aveline, Isabella, Cassandra, Iron Bull, Sera, Josephine, Bastila Shan, Carth, Mission, Jolee, Kreia, Atton Rand, Qyzen, Iresso, T7-01, Bowdaar, Aric, Elara, M1-4X, Adronikos, Malavai, Kaliyo, Lokin, Vector, Gault, Torian, Blizz, Koth, Nico, Shae. Neutral: Liara, Tali'Zorah, Kasumi, Legion, James, Javik, Wynne, Oghren, Leliana, Sigrun, Bethany/Carver, Sebastian, Tallis, Blackwall, Vivienne, HK-47, Canderous, Brianna, Mira, Mical, Bal-Dur, Visas Marr, Tharan, Doc, Rusk, Corso, Akaavi, Guss, Yuun, Tanno, Talos, Xalek, Pierce, Treek, HK-51, HK-55. Bad: Ashley, Jacob, Miranda, Morinth, Samara, Cora, Jaal, Liam, Peebee, Morrigan, Shale, Shen, Velanna, Merril, Zalbaar, Juhani, T3-M4, Zenith, Nadia, Kira, C2-N2/2V-R8, Khem Val, Ashara, Broonmark, Raina, Mako, Skadge. notes: - I despise Solas, but also think he was written incredibly well into the story so it would have been against my better judgement not to put him up there. - written out I noticed I enjoyed majority of DAI's characters in all regards, but disliked majority of MEA's jsut couldn't conenct with them while playing the same way I could with DAI's and swtor's. - covers DA series, ME series, swtor, kotor and kotor 2... may be missing a couple of names.
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 13, 2017 7:19:25 GMT
Why not just do a simple Murder, Fuck, Marry - list? It's more meaningful and the tiers are universal
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Post by danielhungary on Sept 13, 2017 15:52:53 GMT
The Best
J.E.SE : Dawn Star, Kai Lan The Serpent, Crimson Khana, Master Li, Silk Fox. Dragon Age Origins : Morrigan, Leliana, Flemeth. Dragon Age Inquisition : Cassandra, Morrigan, Flemeth, Leliana. Mass Effect Trilogy : Mordin, Tali, Garrus, Joker, Javik, Samara, Zaeed, Conrad Verner, Subject Zero, Tela Vasir, Aria T'Loak, Matriarch Benezia, Morinth, Saren, Dr. Ann Bryson, The Illusive Man, Eve, Balak, Sovereign, Sha'ira, Karlos Mass Effect Andromeda : Reyes Vidal, Drack, Cora, Suvi Anwar, Jaal, Moshae Sjefa, Pathfinder Raeka, Avela Kjar
The Good
J.E.SE : Hapless Han, Iron Soldier, Sir Roderick, Black Whirlwind, Ai Ling, Sky, Gravedigger Shen. Dragon Age 2 : Varric, Cassandra, Aveline, Isabella, Merrill, Meredith, Flemeth Dragon Age Origins : Alistair, Loghain, Isabella. Dragon Age Inquisition : Vivienne, Blackwall, Josephine, Sera, Krem. Mass Effect Trilogy : Liara T' Soni, Thane Krios, Kolyat, Kirrahe, Williams, Miranda Lawson, Henry Lawson, Kelly Chambers, Traynor, Dr. Brynn Cole, Grunt, Wrex, Nyreen Kandros, Maya Brooks, Oleg Petrovsky, Dr. Saleon, Lord Darius, Nassana Dantius, Pitne For, Kahlee Sanders, Gianna Parasini Mass Effect Andromeda : Kosta, Kallo, SAM, Ven Terev, Sloane Kelly, Vetra Nyx, Pelessaria B'Sayle, Alec Ryder, Jien Garson, Captain Dunn, Jarun Tann,Sarissa, Vederia, Mayor Priya Blake, Akksul
The Bad
J.E.SE : - Dragon Age 2 : Anders, Fenris Dragon Age Origins : Sten, Shen. Dragon Age Inquisition : Varric ( DAI version ), Solas, Cole, Cullen, Corypheus Mass Effect Trilogy : Udina, Jacob, Kasumi, Alenko, Harbringer, Victus, Wreav, Blasto, Legion, Diana Allers, Steve Cortez, Bailey, Hackett, Kai Leng, Wilson, Dr. Amanda Kenson, Khalisah bint Sinan al-Jilani Mass Effect Andromeda : Archon, Primus, Gil, Foster Addison, Dr. Lexi T' Perro, Kalinda
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This has been something I have been wanting to do with a while, and with the news of MEAs demise it seems like this will be the last BioWare characters we will ever get for a while...unless Anthem is something else then what we all think it is. Basically, ranking all the BioWare characters, specifically the companions and the secondary crew. Using my system, or really any system. So without further ado. Tier 1: Cassandra Pentaghast, Dorian Pavus, Garrus Vakarian, James Vega, Anders, Allistair Therrin, Varric Tethras, Thane Krios, Miranda Lawson, Cullen Tier 2: Fenris, Sera, Leiliana, Josephine, Jaal Ama Derav, Drack, Wrex, Solas, Cora Harper, Kasumi Goto, Joker, Samantha Traynor, Kaidan Alenko, Sandal, Bodhen, Kallo, Tier 3, Ashley Williams, EDI, Liam Kosta, Peebee, Vivienne, Cole,Grunt, Zaeed Massani, Steve Cortez, Stenn, Morrigan, Suvi, Gil, Tier 4: Liara Tsoni, Blackwall, Javik, Zevran, Shale, Lexi, Tier 5: Oghren, Isabella, And that is about all I can remember right now. If I missed any, do let me know. You are missing very big casts from Baldur's Gate 1 (25 characters), Baldur's Gate 2 (16 characters), jade Empire and KOTOR (about 8 chars each iirc) and at least 40 characters in SWTOR (that's just core companions). And, there is also NWN1 and all expansions. It's really, really hard to make an exhaustive list. So, I decided to go just by memory and only the LOVED! HATED! Categories, no neutrals for the sake of not having to search the net to find out if I am forgetting “What’s his name on Inquisitor’s crew” or “am I missing someone from BG2?” Bolded are absolute favorite and absolute hated per game franchise LOVED: BG1+2: Dynaheir, Branwen, Kivan, Valygar, Mazzy, Shar-teel, Cernd, Jan Jansen, Xan Jade Empire: Dawn Star, Sagacious Zu, Henpecked Hu KOTOR: Juhani DA: Alistair, Anders, Merrill, Sebastian, Aveline, Natahniel, Dorian, Cassandra SWTOR: Zenith, Ashara, Elara, Guss Tuno, Vette, M1-4X, Blizz, Khem Mass Effect: Mordin, Thane, Liara (only in #1), Tali, Legion, Jack, Liam, Reyes, Drack HATED:BG1+2: Viconia, Jaheira, Korgan Jade Empire: none KOTOR: Bastilla DA: Morrigan, Isabella, Blackwall, Iron Bull SWTOR: Nadia, Jaesa, Vic, Kira, Qyzzen, Vector, Kalyio Mass Effect: Miranda, Mornith, EDI, Jaal
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 13, 2017 20:38:53 GMT
These lists needs more Kasumi at the top, tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 20:49:08 GMT
These lists needs more Kasumi at the top, tbh. Evil/crazy DLC pricing policy smthng, smthng, smthng
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 13, 2017 20:49:11 GMT
My favorite ranking poll had Jacob with his very own tier.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Sept 13, 2017 22:19:59 GMT
Every Bioware character? far too many. But sticking to only companions/squad members in games I have played. Placed in personal opinion terms of their personality, story, background, how they interact with my characters, and overall how they come across to me as a player. Great: Garrus, Thane, EDI, Alistair, Fenris, Varric, Cole, Dorian, Solas, Cullen, Scourge, Risha, Vette, Jaesa, Scorpio, Lana, Theron, Senya, Arcann, Good: Kaidan, Wrex, Jack, Grunt, Mordin, Zaeed, Drack, Vetra, Zevran, Anders, Nathaniel Howe, Aveline, Isabella, Cassandra, Iron Bull, Sera, Josephine, Bastila Shan, Carth, Mission, Jolee, Kreia, Atton Rand, Qyzen, Iresso, T7-01, Bowdaar, Aric, Elara, M1-4X, Adronikos, Malavai, Kaliyo, Lokin, Vector, Gault, Torian, Blizz, Koth, Nico, Shae. Neutral: Liara, Tali'Zorah, Kasumi, Legion, James, Javik, Wynne, Oghren, Leliana, Sigrun, Bethany/Carver, Sebastian, Tallis, Blackwall, Vivienne, HK-47, Canderous, Brianna, Mira, Mical, Bal-Dur, Visas Marr, Tharan, Doc, Rusk, Corso, Akaavi, Guss, Yuun, Tanno, Talos, Xalek, Pierce, Treek, HK-51, HK-55. Bad: Ashley, Jacob, Miranda, Morinth, Samara, Cora, Jaal, Liam, Peebee, Morrigan, Shale, Shen, Velanna, Merril, Zalbaar, Juhani, T3-M4, Zenith, Nadia, Kira, C2-N2/2V-R8, Khem Val, Ashara, Broonmark, Raina, Mako, Skadge. notes: - I despise Solas, but also think he was written incredibly well into the story so it would have been against my better judgement not to put him up there. - written out I noticed I enjoyed majority of DAI's characters in all regards, but disliked majority of MEA's jsut couldn't conenct with them while playing the same way I could with DAI's and swtor's. - covers DA series, ME series, swtor, kotor and kotor 2... may be missing a couple of names. That was Obsidian, not BioWare. Also, Morrigan and Merrill as bad? You take that back!
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 13, 2017 22:29:15 GMT
This is really hard... Should I rank by how much I like them or how well written I consider them?
I don't usually hate characters. I'm just indifferent about some, which may or may not mean they were poorly written.
I will only rank ME and DA companions (plus DAI advisors) because I've only played these two franchises.
I'm going for a mix of writing quality and how much I like them, including the protagonists.
Amazing: ME: Liara, Mordin, Garrus, Jack, Tali, EDI... Shepard. DA: Morrigan (Flemeth too), Alistair, Dorian, Cassandra, Varric, Leliana (because of DAI), Sera... Hawke.
Good: ME: Kaidan (downgraded because of ME3), Wrex, Ashley, Legion, Thane, Miranda, Kasumi, Samara, Zaeed, Javik, James Vega, Peebee, Drack, Vetra. DA: Vivienne, Solas (amazing villain!), Cole, Cullen, Josephine, Anders, Fenris, Aveline, Isabela, Merrill, Bethany, Wynne...the warden.
Bit bland: ME: Grunt, Jacob, Cora, Jaal... Ryder. DA: Sten, Iron Bull, Blackwall, Carver, (dog)... the inquistor.
Awful: ME: Liam, Ryder sibling. DA: Oghren, Zevran (god-awful Puss in Boots voice).
Joker is also amazing! So is Anderson.
Overall, DA characters are more hit and miss for me. But few I'd consider terrible.
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Post by rahavan on Sept 14, 2017 2:30:52 GMT
Why not just do a simple Murder, Fuck, Marry - list? It's more meaningful and the tiers are universal Oh I got this one! Solas, solas, and solas - every solasmancer ever
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Sept 14, 2017 12:31:12 GMT
The Mako wins SCREW THE WORLD!!! >8)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 12:36:42 GMT
This thread will be fun because it will trigger lots of nostalgia and fond memories. I can't rank the characters, though. I love so many so much that ranking them would be nearly impossible. Certainly, Normandy's crew would be near the top in terms of "VG buddies". In terms of quality writing and complexity, I'd put Solas and Dorian near the top (each of whom are also VG buddies). As kalasaurus said, different criteria for ranking produce different results. More like triggering lots of flabberghasted-i-ness (totally a word). But but but Oghren?? Kasumi?? HOW COULD YOU. I'm the same tho, it'd probably boil down to the categories Love, Like, Meh and Jacob for me.
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