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Post by mikeymoonshine on Sept 16, 2017 15:34:58 GMT
26. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
48. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
60. Planescape: Torment
64. Pillars of Eternity
72. Fallout 2
91: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
This is wrong. :smh:
Also no Dragon Age Origins?
Why is Spelunky even here?
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 16, 2017 15:40:20 GMT
abaris : Did Bethesda actually lose their fanbase? FO4 placed quite nicely on the PC Gamer fan list. (Didn't like it myself, but I didn't like FO3 either.) That might be just Metacritic noise. Aside from that, this might be a real phenomenon. If so, it's a bit weird that Bio didn't lose their fanbase earlier. They've always been about trying different stuff.
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Post by abaris on Sept 16, 2017 15:50:52 GMT
abaris : Did Bethesda actually lose their fanbase? FO4 placed quite nicely on the PC Gamer fan list. I wouldn't put too much stock in the PC gamer fanlist. There are quite a few results that strike me as odd. It's purely anecdotal, but when FO4 first came out, there was a lot of outrage over several boards and on modding sites I use to frequent. |
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Sept 16, 2017 15:56:24 GMT
Fallout 4 has it's fans and the modding community has done a lot with it but there are plenty of people (myself included) who think the game is terrible. I'm not really a "Bethesda fan" though and I prefer the elder's scrolls series so maybe I don't count.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 16, 2017 16:05:53 GMT
XCOM 2: 20th place Civilization V: 49th place *shakes head at list* Civ V is shit though... it’s like Civilization for elementary students. Civ VI improved on it quite a bit, but one unit per tile needs to go... the AI is abysmal in V and VI. Series peaked at IV. Civ V is a fucking masterpiece |
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 16, 2017 16:43:46 GMT
Civ V is shit though... it’s like Civilization for elementary students. Civ VI improved on it quite a bit, but one unit per tile needs to go... the AI is abysmal in V and VI. Series peaked at IV. Civ V is a fucking masterpiece What the hell.... let's do this. Why do you like V better than IV? |
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Post by tacsear on Sept 16, 2017 16:47:11 GMT
Civ V is a fucking masterpiece What the hell.... let's do this. Why do you like V better than IV? No, but they're close. |
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 16, 2017 16:48:41 GMT
abaris : Did Bethesda actually lose their fanbase? FO4 placed quite nicely on the PC Gamer fan list. I wouldn't put too much stock in the PC gamer fanlist. There are quite a few results that strike me as odd. It's purely anecdotal, but when FO4 first came out, there was a lot of outrage over several boards and on modding sites I use to frequent. That's the problem with these subjects; we always end up with dueling anecdotes, telling whichever story feels plausible to the speaker. |
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 16, 2017 16:49:44 GMT
What the hell.... let's do this. Why do you like V better than IV? No, but they're close. So IV is a masterpiece too, then? OK, that works. |
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Post by tacsear on Sept 16, 2017 17:01:18 GMT
So IV is a masterpiece too, then? OK, that works. Of course |
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Post by simit on Sept 16, 2017 17:12:59 GMT
Ewwww no a fan of these lists at all lol
Loved frogger, pacman, dizzy, pong, pitfall, paper boy waaaaaaaaaaaaay bak, amzing games all, will they hold upto the likes of W3 n ME2 now? course not but there still darng fun
ME2 was released 2010 i think W2 later, fairer comparison an ME2 slams it for me
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Post by vonuber on Sept 16, 2017 17:14:43 GMT
It had better combat, better AI, better pacing, a better ending and greater difficulty. The only thing Rise had going for it was expanded levels and loot. Rise has better and more varied combat, the ai I wager is exactly the same, it has better crafting, skills, weapons, tombs, exploration etc. The stories are probably on par; but at least in Rise there is less ludo narrative dissonance as Liara had got over the whole killing thing and at least has a reason to be good at fighting. In the reboot she agonies over it then massacres hundreds. Rise is just a better game all round. |
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Post by tacsear on Sept 16, 2017 17:49:44 GMT
1. Witcher 3
2. Dragon Age Origins
3. Mass Effect 2
4. Age of Empires 2
5. Bioshock Infinite
6. Last of Us
7. Fallout New Vegas
8. Red Dead Redemtion
9. Far Cry 3
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Post by suikoden on Sept 16, 2017 19:15:12 GMT
Civ V is shit though... it’s like Civilization for elementary students. Civ VI improved on it quite a bit, but one unit per tile needs to go... the AI is abysmal in V and VI. Series peaked at IV. Civ V is a fucking masterpiece Civ V’s highest difficulty is on par with the lowest difficulties of IV. The AI has no fucking clue how to do anything. I can only see it being enjoyable if you’re under the age of ten. |
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Post by tacsear on Sept 16, 2017 19:19:51 GMT
Civ V is a fucking masterpiece Civ V’s highest difficulty is on par with the lowest difficulties of IV. The AI has no fucking clue how to do anything. I can only see it being enjoyable if you’re under the age of ten. Talking about stupid arguments.. |
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Post by suikoden on Sept 16, 2017 19:38:51 GMT
Civ V’s highest difficulty is on par with the lowest difficulties of IV. The AI has no fucking clue how to do anything. I can only see it being enjoyable if you’re under the age of ten. Talking about stupid arguments.. I beat the game on Deity the day I got it. The AI cant play 1upt. Straight into the trash. Deity is basically Settler/Warlord on IV. |
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Post by river82 on Sept 16, 2017 21:49:06 GMT
abaris : Did Bethesda actually lose their fanbase? FO4 placed quite nicely on the PC Gamer fan list. (Didn't like it myself, but I didn't like FO3 either.) That might be just Metacritic noise. Bethesda lost a good chunk of its fanbase after the shitshow called Oblivion. Their forums melted from the rage for over a year, devs stopped posting on the forums etc etc. I'm also pretty sure many Daggerfall fans were disappointed with Morrowind. Not like it hurt Bethesda though, they just kept on growing. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if Beth loses fans, because they seem to have a formula going that appeals to over 10 million people. So shedding their fanbase, or their core fans, has never really hurt them previously (whenever it happened in the past.) And they really had to shed some of their core fanbase to open the game up to a larger audience. Some of their core Morrowind fans like standing in front of a guy, swinging a sword, and continually missing. All freaking day. Because for an RPG it's better if combat is based off the character's skills, not the player's skills, but to most people standing in front of someone and swinging a sword ... and hitting nothing but air makes no sense (funnily enough this is one of the complaints of KOTOR's combat.) So stuff like that had to get changed. But they took it much too far in Oblivion (minigames that harms mechanics, for example,) and put out a piece of shit (they fixed a lot of their mistakes in Skyrim, though.) |
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 16, 2017 22:03:46 GMT
Civ V is a fucking masterpiece What the hell.... let's do this. Why do you like V better than IV? Personally I prefer V to IV. There are a number of reasons but the main thing is that the military stack of doom doesn't exist in V, which I found incredibly fucking stupid in IV. Since people love to confuse "I find this annoying" with "I don't know how to deal with this" I'll point out for the record that I know how to counter the stack of doom in IV, but I still find it really god damn annoying to have around. IV is still a great game though, despite that. |
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Post by colfoley on Sept 17, 2017 1:13:49 GMT
What the hell.... let's do this. Why do you like V better than IV? Personally I prefer V to IV. There are a number of reasons but the main thing is that the military stack of doom doesn't exist in V, which I found incredibly fucking stupid in IV. Since people love to confuse "I find this annoying" with "I don't know how to deal with this" I'll point out for the record that I know how to counter the stack of doom in IV, but I still find it really god damn annoying to have around. IV is still a great game though, despite that. I actually liked the removal of the stacks of doom, more or less...harder to head canon but it does make more sense from a gameplay perspective. A bit more dubious about unstacking the cities though in Civ VI. Only thing about IV I thought the diplomacy and religious stuff was deeper. |
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 17, 2017 16:41:55 GMT
I suspect diplomacy was changed because too many Civ IV players found it hard to understand why everyone ended up hating them.
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Post by suikoden on Sept 17, 2017 19:17:00 GMT
What the hell.... let's do this. Why do you like V better than IV? Personally I prefer V to IV. There are a number of reasons but the main thing is that the military stack of doom doesn't exist in V, which I found incredibly fucking stupid in IV. Since people love to confuse "I find this annoying" with "I don't know how to deal with this" I'll point out for the record that I know how to counter the stack of doom in IV, but I still find it really god damn annoying to have around. IV is still a great game though, despite that. I’ll take the stack anyday over 1upt. All you need is a handful of your first, leveled units and you can wipe out the AI as they have tactical IQ of a toddler. It was legitimately scary to be in a fight on the higher levels in 4, in 5 it’s just a tedious slog that has zero urgency because there’s 0% chance you’ll lose. Multiplayer could’ve saved it, but multiplayer for 5 was horribly implemented. Possibly the worst multiplayer I’ve ever seen in a AAA game. |
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 17, 2017 21:16:44 GMT
This list is shit. I like some of the games on there but some of those games have me scratching my head.
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 17, 2017 21:33:21 GMT
Personally I prefer V to IV. There are a number of reasons but the main thing is that the military stack of doom doesn't exist in V, which I found incredibly fucking stupid in IV. Since people love to confuse "I find this annoying" with "I don't know how to deal with this" I'll point out for the record that I know how to counter the stack of doom in IV, but I still find it really god damn annoying to have around. IV is still a great game though, despite that. I’ll take the stack anyday over 1upt. All you need is a handful of your first, leveled units and you can wipe out the AI as they have tactical IQ of a toddler. It was legitimately scary to be in a fight on the higher levels in 4, in 5 it’s just a tedious slog that has zero urgency because there’s 0% chance you’ll lose. Multiplayer could’ve saved it, but multiplayer for 5 was horribly implemented. Possibly the worst multiplayer I’ve ever seen in a AAA game. Bad AI can be fixed(and I never played it for hyper amounts of difficulty in the first place). The stack is something that I hate the core design of. Plus the MP never bothered me other than some shit netcode, but it's not like I haven't put up with that before. ME3 MP's netcode is far worse than Civ 5's. |
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Post by suikoden on Sept 17, 2017 22:19:52 GMT
I’ll take the stack anyday over 1upt. All you need is a handful of your first, leveled units and you can wipe out the AI as they have tactical IQ of a toddler. It was legitimately scary to be in a fight on the higher levels in 4, in 5 it’s just a tedious slog that has zero urgency because there’s 0% chance you’ll lose. Multiplayer could’ve saved it, but multiplayer for 5 was horribly implemented. Possibly the worst multiplayer I’ve ever seen in a AAA game. Bad AI can be fixed(and I never played it for hyper amounts of difficulty in the first place). The stack is something that I hate the core design of. Plus the MP never bothered me other than some shit netcode, but it's not like I haven't put up with that before. ME3 MP's netcode is far worse than Civ 5's. They’ve proven they can’t fix it though - it’s just as bad in Civ VI. |
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Post by henkiedepost on Sept 17, 2017 22:25:01 GMT
abaris : Did Bethesda actually lose their fanbase? FO4 placed quite nicely on the PC Gamer fan list. (Didn't like it myself, but I didn't like FO3 either.) That might be just Metacritic noise. Bethesda lost a good chunk of its fanbase after the shitshow called Oblivion. Their forums melted from the rage for over a year, devs stopped posting on the forums etc etc. I'm also pretty sure many Daggerfall fans were disappointed with Morrowind. Not like it hurt Bethesda though, they just kept on growing. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if Beth loses fans, because they seem to have a formula going that appeals to over 10 million people. So shedding their fanbase, or their core fans, has never really hurt them previously (whenever it happened in the past.) And they really had to shed some of their core fanbase to open the game up to a larger audience. Some of their core Morrowind fans like standing in front of a guy, swinging a sword, and continually missing. All freaking day. Because for an RPG it's better if combat is based off the character's skills, not the player's skills, but to most people standing in front of someone and swinging a sword ... and hitting nothing but air makes no sense (funnily enough this is one of the complaints of KOTOR's combat.) So stuff like that had to get changed. But they took it much too far in Oblivion (minigames that harms mechanics, for example,) and put out a piece of shit (they fixed a lot of their mistakes in Skyrim, though.) Oblivion a shitshow? I don't know anything about what 'fans' thought about the game back then so I guess I'll have to believe you that a lot of people were mad, but for me it is one of the best games of all time, and certainly the best Elder Scrolls. I still regularly fire it up when I'm bored, even though I have finished it many times. In fact, I'm currently doing another 'evil' playthrough as a crazy Bosmer. The Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines are glorious! I do acknowledge that the game has its issues though. The way enemies level up with you (bandits in Daedric armour) is just stupid, and the whole 'radiant AI' thing didn't really work out. I also smile everytime I read the cover of my old PS3 version (which I barely touched because the game is way better on PC) and see that they actually advertise the animations as 'groundbreaking' and 'life-like' when in fact they are terrible. But there's just something about Oblivion which keeps me coming back, even though the game is becoming outdated and is seen more as a meme for many. The Guild-Questlines are wonderful and the main-story is also a million times better than Skyrim. Even the sidequests are infinitely better than Fallout 4 and Skyrim. They were unique, used handcrafted assets and required specific skills ang gameplay elements. The bugs and quirky AI are actually reasons for me to come back because they always give me a laugh. Yesterday I got arrested by an Imperial Guard in the Vampire Crypts underneath Jakben's house when I broke in to get the boots of Springheel Jack. The guards killed all the vampires and then took me in for a bounty of 5 gold. The combat is okay but the magic is arguably better than in Skyrim. (WAY more diversity, and you can make your own spells). Immersion is also better in Oblivion than in Skyrim if you ask me. Ghosts require magic or silver to be killed which means you have to actually prepare before you go to a place which has those. Leveling up requires a bed which makes you actually use Inns and Taverns. NPC's acknowledge what you have done in the world. People adress me as the Gray Fox when I wear the cowl, people are dissapointed in me because my infamy made me unable to wear the holy relics of Pelinal Whitestrake, and I get commended for being 'The Hero of Kvatch'. And don't even get me started on the character creator and the fact that helmets adjust to the crazy creations that you can make:  I just hope that Bethesda stops the removal of RPG elements and learn from Morrowind and Oblivion again. Don't get me wrong, Skyrim was a great game, but it was yet again another step into 'dumbing' down the RPG aspects in favor of action. If TES also gets a voiced protagonist, I'm probably done.  Just kinda sad to hear that people were actually angry about it back then. But I guess that's just a typical part of every fanbase nowadays. Edit: by the way, I always play the game pure vanilla. Don't like mods because I always notice the subtle differences which give away that they aren't made by the original creators. I know that modding is seen as a big part of Bethesda games, but I just don't like it myself. |
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Just kinda sad to hear that people were actually angry about it back then. But I guess that's just a typical part of every fanbase nowadays.