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Funny... I enjoyed Andromeda for what it was and I will be the first to say it wasn't the best game ever made. I just didn't realize I needed a game to win awards for me to understand that I enjoyed playing it. True, the amount of awards a game gets has no bearing on how well you enjoy a game. What it does do however is paint a picture of how the industry (gamers or media) perceived a game. A lot of people here want to think that the negative reception of MEA was not representative of most of the MEA owners but rather a vocal minority who was hellbent on taking Bioware down for various reasons. What this award season will show is a generalized view of MEA and not just a vocal minority. You can discount the Golden Joystick awards, but they are voted on by the consumers which does have some creditbility....I mean....they ARE the ones who played the games being nominated. If you dont want to accept that, then there are other awards like D.I.C.E. that are nominated and voted by industry devs.....peers of Bioware. So yeah, these awards shows whether or not it was truely a vocal minority that didnt enjoy MEA or if it was much much larger. You may not care for awards but EA and Bioware does, especially for the use of marketing and public relations which is something Bioware really needs a win with. This "could" be relevant in how EA or Bioware chooses to approach any future Mass Effect game; specifically if it is a direct sequel to MEA or if it is a soft reboot but stays in Andromeda or if it goes back to the MW.....or if they just never make another ME game.
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Post by melbella on Sept 24, 2017 16:08:13 GMT
From the comments in this thread, people have voted for things/games they didn't play. Apparently there are nominees from games not even released yet, so no one has played them. How is this conducive to legitimate results?
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Post by mannyray on Sept 24, 2017 16:13:12 GMT
I'd never even heard of the Golden Joystick Awards. That said, I wouldn't expect ME:A to get tons of award nods and I don't think it necessarily deserves them, but pointing to colluding game "journalism" circlejerks, even compared to other media circlejerking as vindication of ME:A being worse than what it actually was rings very hollow. If this game did get lots of Joystick nominations, the spin of this post would have been about SJW's and gaming media collusion painting an alleged false picture of the game's quality. So when DAI won a ton of awards, was the industry colluding then? So which is it? Is the industry out to get Bioware or are they not? I don't know how you could even infer from what I was saying the industry is "out to get" bioware. However, these Joystick awards and others are all products of collusion, generally. Otherwise other undeserving games would join ME:A in a dearth of nominations during award season. But they don't. Plenty of dogshit games are out there with rinkydink award nominations and GOTY editions.
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From the comments in this thread, people have voted for things/games they didn't play. Apparently there are nominees from games not even released yet, so no one has played them. How is this conducive to legitimate results? I am talking about the nominations. At least that was the original intent if this thread. Previous ME games were always at minimum nominated for Best Storytelling, Best RPG and Ultimate GOTY. MEA got none.
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So when DAI won a ton of awards, was the industry colluding then? So which is it? Is the industry out to get Bioware or are they not? I don't know how you could even infer from what I was saying the industry is "out to get" bioware. However, these Joystick awards and others are all products of collusion, generally. Otherwise other undeserving games would join ME:A in a dearth of nominations during award season. But they don't. Plenty of dogshit games are out there with rinkydink award nominations and GOTY editions. So is D.I.C.E. collusion as well? Also was it collusion when previous ME games got multiple nominations? Why all of a sudden MEA only gets 1 nod and that being a VO and not Best RPG, Best Storytelling, and GOTY?
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Post by melbella on Sept 24, 2017 16:22:40 GMT
Who does the nominating? Why are there nominees from games not yet released? How could any voter even know the quality involved? That's like having a baseball MVP candidate who only made the roster in mid-September. It makes no sense.
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Post by mannyray on Sept 24, 2017 16:22:59 GMT
I don't know how you could even infer from what I was saying the industry is "out to get" bioware. However, these Joystick awards and others are all products of collusion, generally. Otherwise other undeserving games would join ME:A in a dearth of nominations during award season. But they don't. Plenty of dogshit games are out there with rinkydink award nominations and GOTY editions. So is D.I.C.E. collusion as well? Also was it collusion when previous ME games got multiple nominations? Why all of a sudden MEA only gets 1 nod and that being a VO and not Best RPG, Best Storytelling, and GOTY? What's your point? I've never thought ME:A was a great game, nor in my rhetoric was I blind to its flaws. And yes, by and large, collusion. Just like in film and literary criticism.
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Post by Transcended One on Sept 24, 2017 17:02:57 GMT
I don't really care a lot how much golden dildos MEA receives, it's the game of the year for me.
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Post by xassantex on Sept 24, 2017 17:34:04 GMT
Funny... I enjoyed Andromeda for what it was and I will be the first to say it wasn't the best game ever made. I just didn't realize I needed a game to win awards for me to understand that I enjoyed playing it. True, the amount of awards a game gets has no bearing on how well you enjoy a game. What it does do however is paint a picture of how the industry (gamers or media) perceived a game. A lot of people here want to think that the negative reception of MEA was not representative of most of the MEA owners but rather a vocal minority who was hellbent on taking Bioware down for various reasons. What this award season will show is a generalized view of MEA and not just a vocal minority. You can discount the Golden Joystick awards, but they are voted on by the consumers which does have some creditbility....I mean....they ARE the ones who played the games being nominated. If you dont want to accept that, then there are other awards like D.I.C.E. that are nominated and voted by industry devs.....peers of Bioware. So yeah, these awards shows whether or not it was truely a vocal minority that didnt enjoy MEA or if it was much much larger. You may not care for awards but EA and Bioware does, especially for the use of marketing and public relations which is something Bioware really needs a win with. This "could" be relevant in how EA or Bioware chooses to approach any future Mass Effect game; specifically if it is a direct sequel to MEA or if it is a soft reboot but stays in Andromeda or if it goes back to the MW.....or if they just never make another ME game. True . I get a bit of a feeling that you 're still on some crusade to show how the game fails, which i find mildly aggravating ( Khalisah Al-Jilani comes to mind ) but thing is i usually agree. And i still play the SP , haven't finished trying all classes ( which i keep as intact as possible faithful to ME tradition ). After that, who knows. If someone asked me " should i buy that game" i'd say yes while also warning of its many pitfalls.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 24, 2017 18:10:47 GMT
Funny... I enjoyed Andromeda for what it was and I will be the first to say it wasn't the best game ever made. I just didn't realize I needed a game to win awards for me to understand that I enjoyed playing it. True, the amount of awards a game gets has no bearing on how well you enjoy a game. What it does do however is paint a picture of how the industry (gamers or media) perceived a game. A lot of people here want to think that the negative reception of MEA was not representative of most of the MEA owners but rather a vocal minority who was hellbent on taking Bioware down for various reasons. What this award season will show is a generalized view of MEA and not just a vocal minority. You can discount the Golden Joystick awards, but they are voted on by the consumers which does have some creditbility....I mean....they ARE the ones who played the games being nominated. If you dont want to accept that, then there are other awards like D.I.C.E. that are nominated and voted by industry devs.....peers of Bioware. So yeah, these awards shows whether or not it was truely a vocal minority that didnt enjoy MEA or if it was much much larger. You may not care for awards but EA and Bioware does, especially for the use of marketing and public relations which is something Bioware really needs a win with. This "could" be relevant in how EA or Bioware chooses to approach any future Mass Effect game; specifically if it is a direct sequel to MEA or if it is a soft reboot but stays in Andromeda or if it goes back to the MW.....or if they just never make another ME game. With Inquisition it was people trying to say that the awards meant nothing because Inquisition got lucky and there weren't a lot of good games that year. People will always try and find something to justify their opinion. I have seen plenty of games over the years that weren't nominated for awards that people thought were good and just because it isn't on an awards list doesn't mean it was a bad game just that people didn't like it as much as the other five or so. Edit: I am just tired of people claiming awards don't matter when it doesn't represent the opinion they have on a game. Too many people who disliked Inquisition did everything they could to downplay the amount of awards including fan awards Inquisition won. Now people are coming here to prove how bad Andromeda was by a lack of awards because those awards now miraculously mean something.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 24, 2017 19:12:22 GMT
I don't really care a lot how much golden dildos MEA receives, it's the game of the year for me. Same here. I dont think I've ever played the same game for 6 months in a row o_O
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Joystick is such a nasty word Only if you have a dirty mind. For most of us it's a blast from the past.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 24, 2017 19:25:18 GMT
The point is that this isnt common for Bioware nor was not getting SP DLC nor was having low to mid 70s review scores. Happy for you that you're getting so much pleasure from this. Ah House. I loved that show till he bacame more insane after breaking up with Huddy(House/Cuddy romance) and the show jumped the Sharknado.
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 24, 2017 20:03:11 GMT
I think the satisfaction is irrelevant to the fact of what you're trying to do without being called out on it. Just pointing out that MEA has underperformed compared to last Bioware games which got GOTY nominations.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 24, 2017 20:14:39 GMT
True, the amount of awards a game gets has no bearing on how well you enjoy a game. What it does do however is paint a picture of how the industry (gamers or media) perceived a game. A lot of people here want to think that the negative reception of MEA was not representative of most of the MEA owners but rather a vocal minority who was hellbent on taking Bioware down for various reasons. What this award season will show is a generalized view of MEA and not just a vocal minority. You can discount the Golden Joystick awards, but they are voted on by the consumers which does have some creditbility....I mean....they ARE the ones who played the games being nominated. If you dont want to accept that, then there are other awards like D.I.C.E. that are nominated and voted by industry devs.....peers of Bioware. So yeah, these awards shows whether or not it was truely a vocal minority that didnt enjoy MEA or if it was much much larger. You may not care for awards but EA and Bioware does, especially for the use of marketing and public relations which is something Bioware really needs a win with. This "could" be relevant in how EA or Bioware chooses to approach any future Mass Effect game; specifically if it is a direct sequel to MEA or if it is a soft reboot but stays in Andromeda or if it goes back to the MW.....or if they just never make another ME game. True . I get a bit of a feeling that you 're still on some crusade to show how the game fails, which i find mildly aggravating ( Khalisah Al-Jilani comes to mind ) but thing is i usually agree. And i still play the SP , haven't finished trying all classes ( which i keep as intact as possible faithful to ME tradition ). After that, who knows. If someone asked me " should i buy that game" i'd say yes while also warning of its many pitfalls. The game failing around here is seen as a vague term. Overall, I know the game failed but I will still be fought for saying that because people will say that it was a financial success and that EA was satisfied with it. However anyone who isnt wearing a tinfoil hat would tell you that MEA was a failure and not what Bioware or EA wanted. First it was the lowest review scores for a Bioware game, then it was the first Bioware game since ME1 to not receive SP DLC, now it will be not only the low number of awards it gets....but the low number of nominations it gets which is the most telling considering that all 3 previous ME games received TONS of award nominations. I do not need a crusade to prove the game failed. However people here will cry day and night that the game was a success and nothing about it was a failure. My purpose in this thread is to show how MEA continues to set many negative precedents for a Bioware game.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Sept 24, 2017 20:17:23 GMT
I think spike awards is when these matter. It's the devs themselves voting each other's work rather than the fans holding grudges and being biased towards their own favorites. Fact is fans can't be "true" judges to anything really, they're incompetent of it where as devs have a better understanding of the designs used for these projects and if something was flunked or not or if it really was a good effort.
I still don't count on Andromeda winning much but I will say had I liked it more, I wouldn't care about the awards on a personal level but one really can't neglect the fact that these awards DO give perception on these games. If you're winning them then it clearly shows people loved it, if you're not even getting nominated much then you're pretty much an unknown with no influence in the industry.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 24, 2017 20:17:32 GMT
Joystick is such a nasty word Only if you have a dirty mind. For most of us it's a blast from the past. Hey I've used joystick too. The name didn't make it any easier though.
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What a shame, Andromeda would have won If they had a category for games that killed production studios.
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Post by abaris on Sept 25, 2017 20:03:46 GMT
With Inquisition it was people trying to say that the awards meant nothing because Inquisition got lucky and there weren't a lot of good games that year. I still love DAI, but if I had my way, Divinity Original Sin would have been more deserving of best RPG. If you compare the love for detail that went into both games, Divinity comes out on top. Possibly they didn't make the mainstream awards because the game wasn't mainstream and a so called AAA title. Also as far as support is concerned, Divinity is way above DAI. They even published an enhanced and revised edition that came for free to any owner of the original game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 20:06:04 GMT
With Inquisition it was people trying to say that the awards meant nothing because Inquisition got lucky and there weren't a lot of good games that year. I still love DAI, but if I had my way, Divinity Original Sin would have been more deserving of best RPG. If you compare the love for detail that went into both games, Divinity comes out on top. Possibly they didn't make the mainstream awards because the game wasn't mainstream and a so called AAA title. Also as far as support is concerned, Divinity is way above DAI. They even published an enhanced and revised edition that came for free to any owner of the original game. And what makes Divinity Original Sin even better is the price they put it out for. You get sooooo much for so little. Even DOS2 is only $45 on release.
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Post by abaris on Sept 25, 2017 20:06:34 GMT
Fact is fans can't be "true" judges to anything really, they're incompetent of it where as devs have a better understanding of the designs used for these projects and if something was flunked or not or if it really was a good effort. And yet they are the ones playing the games, the ones making games happen by buying the titles. So yes, they are biased, but without them, good or bad, the industry wouldn't have a leg to stand on. So I say, their judgment is valid.
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