Star Trek

I watched the first two episodes of Discovery last night and thought it was terrible.
I only give it a three out of ten so far and if it does not improve in the next two episodes i will not watch it again.
The story for me was in a fourth division of writing.

I saw the first episode yesterday, and totally loved it. Love the characters and the Klingons of yesteryear. It feels like it is going to have a continuing story but still have the Star Treck feel of hope and fun.

I thought the series will show us the beginnings of Klingons we see in the previous Star Trecks, and explain why the highly ornamental barbaric decadence and shaved heads change to simple armor and long hair. The thing is, I loved the bling, because it reminded me the old warrior cultures were men showed their status off by wearing copious amount of jewelry and colourful complicated raiment. The thing is, the switch to austere look for males did not occur in human cultures till very late in our history due to utilitarian concerns. So, yeah, I enjoy the open barbaric opulence of the ancient Klingons, and can't wait to see what kicked of wearing their hair long. Maybe it will be some sort of a blood oath to defeat the Federation or something. Also want to see the evolution of bat'leth. Pardon my spelling, I am sure I am not writting it correctly.

AnywY, I hope this does not offend long-time fans, etc.

We'll see how everything will turn out to be. But I'm not offended at all at least, why would I be? I have some unconventional opinions myself about many things including Star Trek (like liking The Motion Picture for example)...

At least the Klingon ships look more "alien" than the relatively "clean" ship designs of the past, while still bearing some resemblance to the Matt Jefferies designed D7-cruiser.

I was going you start a STD thread. Its good so far.

First off: It's hilarious that this is being abbreviated to STD.

That out of the way I watched a bit of it and I really didn't care for it. The characters didn't grip me, the story wasn't interesting, and the acting wasn't all that great(which might not be the fault of the actors themselves admittedly). The visuals look very much like the film, but I also called that pretty generic sci-fi at the time of the movies coming out.

As far as the "main character" is concerned to be honest the fact that they even mentioned that at all feels like PR speak, because Star Trek has always been a story involving all of the main officers of the crew. It's not like TNG put more time on Picard than other major characters, so claims that any one character is the lead just ring hollow to me.

Beyond that I don't really care that the crew is built for diversity. It's something that Trek has always done since the 60s, but I still don't find any of them terribly interesting from how much I watched. It's just a shame that criticisms about this sort of thing in today's world have a habit of getting bogged down with "Muh SJWs" and "You just don't like them because they aren't white men" accusations rather than a discussion about the actual merits of the writing and acting of the characters themselves.

On a side note I also watched the first three episodes of The Orville last night. It's a fun show to watch and I enjoyed it more than Discovery, but as far as a Trek fix goes it's way too comedic of a show and you really have to like Seth MacFarlane's particular style of comedy to enjoy it. It's still something I look forward to seeing more of, though.

I'll give Discovery some time and hope that maybe the problems will be worked out in time. Hell it's not like the other series were all amazing from the start either.

However for now, I'm not that excited to see more of it.

i really don't anticipate much problems with story or character writing moving forward. Most of Disovery's writing problems happened with the background scenes and information. Most of the present day stuff is really solid.

Retro Star Trek. The best holodeck episode ever (imo):

Ooo... we finished the second part last night. I am disappointed that



I am really someone a typical Treck fan would probably abhor, because I started watching Treck when I was on a job assignment in England (the most miserable time in my life, I think) and it was Voyager in a late season, and it still remains my favorite Treck. And, yes, I love B'elana and Janeway and stuff. I like the DS9 a lot too, and the new movies, TNG less so, and was never able to get the nostalgic appeal of the original, did not like, so did not watch Archer ST (terribly dull) and the old movies with animated series, well, I can't watch it. So, yeah, not ye typical Trek person.

I agree that Duet was a superb episode with some great performances. Probably the best first season episode (which isn't too hard actually since DS9's first season is pretty weak overally).

But The Empath? It had some decent minutes, like most episodes, but it seemed too much like a weak The Cage/The Menagerie-rehash to me. I consider it one of the weakest TOS-episodes. Ah well it's better than 'Miri' I guess...