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Post by mousestalker on Sept 27, 2017 21:53:30 GMT
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Post by colfoley on Sept 27, 2017 23:12:32 GMT
Favorite treks? DS 9 and voyager. Then enterprise. Then TOS then Next Gen.
Though discovery probably had the best premier in trek.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 12:30:47 GMT
When's the third episode scheduled?
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Post by Urizen on Sept 29, 2017 15:30:40 GMT
Monday if I´m not mistaken.
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Post by mattig89ch on Sept 29, 2017 16:59:05 GMT
I didn't get to watch the series. I wanted to, but my direct tv hiccuped for 2 hours at the time of showing. So, sadly, I missed it. But I agree with his idea of not willing to pay for that CBS service. I like star trek. Hell, I love star trek. I've seen every other series save TSO, to completion. Personally, I love DS9 more then the others. I just won't be seeing it until I can get a hold of the episodes another way.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 29, 2017 17:31:19 GMT
DS9 is #1 for me.
I liked how humans and their Federation weren't painted as this perfect utopian society that everyone else in the galaxy was in sheer awe of, and tripping over themselves to be apart of. There still were issues common to the franchise, namely humanity apparently being the only species with a diverse culture and skill set, but all in all, it was nice to see the Federation knocked down off it's pedestal.
Voyager was meh, the characters were interesting enough, seven of nine especially, but after what that show did to the Borg I just lost interest in it. I mean a single exploratory vessel taking down the entire collective without breaking a sweat, while the Enterprise and the majority of the Federation armada could barely hold out against one cube just reeked of plot armor and narrative favoritism to me. Though to be honest, my interest in the Borg was on the decline anyway when they introduced the concept of the Queen and individuality to the collective.
TNG, I couldn't get into, I know that the later seasons get better but I couldn't ever get over that initial hump of the earlier episodes. That, and I found the general 'preachy-ness' of the Federation to off putting, and Comander Data's frequent bouts of "I want to be a real boy" shenanigans began to grate on me after about the five hundredth time.
TOS is a classic. I haven't seen all of it, but the episodes I did see are the epitome of what Star Trek is.
Enterprise was another meh show for me, though T'Pol was certainly a looker.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 20:27:16 GMT
Though to be honest, my interest in the Borg was on the decline anyway when they introduced the concept of the Queen and individuality to the collective. Ditto. I am tired of the Queen trope in general. It is pretty pervasive in sci-fi. It smacks of making an enemy too powerful to be destroyed within the hero's realistic means; but being forced to find a roughshod solution to the writers problem within the time constraints they likely have.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 20:31:29 GMT
I am not a big fan of the Borg with the Queen making no sense to me, but I loved the intergration if the Maquis and the Federtaion motive, and that endless journey home setting. And, well, the crew was my favorite, and they were heavy on holodeck episodes that are always lots of laughs. I'd have loved DS9 more than Voyager, but Dax is my least favorite Treck character ever, and she gets a lot of screen time...
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 29, 2017 20:34:39 GMT
Pretty much all of the series' pilot episodes have been fairly ropey (compared to later fare). STD did pretty well.
Looking forward to episode 3 on Monday.
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Post by Transcended One on Sept 29, 2017 21:32:27 GMT
Pretty much all of the series' pilot episodes have been fairly ropey (compared to later fare). STD did pretty well. Looking forward to episode 3 on Monday. True to that. In case of TOS whether you consider The Cage, Where No Man Has Gone Before, or Man-Trap as 'Pilot', they're all pretty below-average. 'Encounter at Farpoint' was okay-ish at the time, but didn't age too well, and is recommended to skip on repeat-views, just like two-thirds of TNG season 1. 'Emissary' wasn't too bad, but that Founders-piece took a bit too long. 'Caretaker' was okay, but not awesome. 'Broken Bow' was pretty decent in my opinion. But yeah, I like Discovery's first two better than what came before.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 22:13:21 GMT
E1-2 Spoilers and Potential Spoilers ↓ Had a hunch about the Captain after she took the blade through her. I didn't think she was dead. Or she has an alternate significant recurring role. Either way, IMDB has the actress listed as appearing in all episodes. (IIRC 15 each) The actor for T'Kuvma is only in 2. Martyrdom indeed... Nice spark to the flame though.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 29, 2017 23:15:10 GMT
E1-2 Spoilers and Potential Spoilers ↓ Had a hunch about the Captain after she took the blade through her. I didn't think she was dead. Or she has an alternate significant recurring role. Either way, IMDB has the actress listed as appearing in all episodes. (IIRC 15 each) The actor for T'Kuvma is only in 2. Martyrdom indeed... Nice spark to the flame though. i wouldn't put it past them to lie.
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Post by Urizen on Sept 30, 2017 1:20:10 GMT
E1-2 Spoilers and Potential Spoilers ↓ Had a hunch about the Captain after she took the blade through her. I didn't think she was dead. Or she has an alternate significant recurring role. Either way, IMDB has the actress listed as appearing in all episodes. (IIRC 15 each) The actor for T'Kuvma is only in 2. Martyrdom indeed... Nice spark to the flame though. The science officer had no lifesign readings of her, so its safe to assume she´s dead. But, she could appear in flashbacks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 3:44:08 GMT
E1-2 Spoilers and Potential Spoilers ↓ Had a hunch about the Captain after she took the blade through her. I didn't think she was dead. Or she has an alternate significant recurring role. Either way, IMDB has the actress listed as appearing in all episodes. (IIRC 15 each) The actor for T'Kuvma is only in 2. Martyrdom indeed... Nice spark to the flame though. The science officer had no lifesign readings of her, so its safe to assume she´s dead. But, she could appear in flashbacks. Supposedly there's going to be a mirror universe episode ( link). I wouldn't bet against Michelle Yeoh showing up in that.
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Post by Melra on Sept 30, 2017 16:41:42 GMT
Wow... Sounds like a trainwreck. No wonder some people were pissed.
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Post by Sweet FA on Sept 30, 2017 20:35:37 GMT
Some of the best ST episodes were the one's that were stripped down to the basics e.g. good characterization, dialogue and story with great interplay between the different characters. These episodes were often deceptively simple maybe a small group of characters in a confined space with no fancy sets or sfx. I'm thinking DS9 Duet and TOS The Empath. Duet is more an examination of evil, guilt, regret and atonement and the nature of justice (justice or revenge?). The Empath is about the essential nature of friendship, love and sacrifice. You don't need lens flare overkill, excessive noise, frantic aimless running about and explosions when you get the basics right, character, story and good dialogue. I agree that Duet was a superb episode with some great performances. Probably the best first season episode (which isn't too hard actually since DS9's first season is pretty weak overally). But The Empath? It had some decent minutes, like most episodes, but it seemed too much like a weak The Cage/The Menagerie-rehash to me. I consider it one of the weakest TOS-episodes. Ah well it's better than 'Miri' I guess... The Empath. I know were you're coming from, it is patchy and the least said about the crappy aliens the better, but I didn't want to list the usual suspects "City on the edge of forever"cough...but I really named it as it displays the strength and heart of the TOS triumvarite so well and how unbreakable it is. Also sometimes the apparantly "weakest" of the group and most unlikeliest people can perform great acts of heroism and self sacrifice. For me I'm not really interested about everything else that's going on in the episode, aliens etc,.I just particulary like the personal interplay and dialogue between the three heroes in this episode. So I agree dramatically and technically it's not one of the best Star Trek episodes but it does display and captures the essence of the Kirk, Spock, McCoy triumvarite and their emotional dynamic and that's what I particulary like. It's an emotional judgement not a logical one.
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Post by Sweet FA on Sept 30, 2017 20:58:44 GMT
Quark on Humanity.................
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Post by Transcended One on Sept 30, 2017 21:15:47 GMT
I agree that Duet was a superb episode with some great performances. Probably the best first season episode (which isn't too hard actually since DS9's first season is pretty weak overally). But The Empath? It had some decent minutes, like most episodes, but it seemed too much like a weak The Cage/The Menagerie-rehash to me. I consider it one of the weakest TOS-episodes. Ah well it's better than 'Miri' I guess... The Empath. I know were you're coming from, it is patchy and the least said about the crappy aliens the better, but I didn't want to list the usual suspects "City on the edge of forever"cough...but I really named it as it displays the strength and heart of the TOS triumvarite so well and how unbreakable it is. Also sometimes the apparantly "weakest" of the group and most unlikeliest people can perform great acts of heroism and self sacrifice. For me I'm not really interested about everything else that's going on in the episode, aliens etc,.I just particulary like the personal interplay and dialogue between the three heroes in this episode. So I agree dramatically and technically it's not one of the best Star Trek episodes but it does display and captures the essence of the Kirk, Spock, McCoy triumvarite and their emotional dynamic and that's what I particulary like. It's an emotional judgement not a logical one. I don't blame you, since I have my faults as well: My personal TOS favorite is 'The Paradise Syndrome': Kirk with amnesia and living among the planet's inhabitants for a while before regaining some of his memory, marrying (and impregnating!) one of their beautiful women. Some clarification on *why* a lot of aliens look so much like humans (seeded by an ancient race called "Preservers" in this case). Spock FAILING to solve the problem of the week in his first pass (to destroy that asteroid on a collision course with said planet). Sure McCoy is incredibly annoying in this episode, and since the 'aliens of the week' are savage "American-Indians[sic]" believing white-Kirk is a god, thus "racist" in today's SJW terms, and the solution in the end is pretty cheesy/far-fetched, it's one of those episodes which often gets overlooked for being crap. However: His wife died for standing up for Kirk. Kirk actually even showed remorse for her dying (with his unborn child). It was an unexpected emotional moment... It also must be said that there were quite a few really beautiful women playing some of the guest roles in that sixties-show. And not just because of their outfits:
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Post by Sweet FA on Sept 30, 2017 21:30:16 GMT
Love this line..." Why do you build such a mystique around a simple biological function?"..........
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Post by colfoley on Sept 30, 2017 22:08:43 GMT
Quark on Humanity................. The Ferengi and Deep Space 9 in general were just pretty awesome. Granted at times they still descended into Caricature but...well again Deep Space 9 in general was one of the few times Star Trek took a good long hard look at itself and actually had a conversation on the merits of what they were proposing philosphically. Instead of just judging us 'backwards primitives'. That, the Maquis Arc, and the 'Paradise Lost' two parter are some of the best parts of Trek ever. And some of the Xindi arc but that was another show, and more just good storytelling. I am hoping Discovery continues in Deep Space Nines footsteps. And with: The conversation between Georgiu and Burnham on Klingon 'culture' versus 'race', not to mention the mere fact that the Vulcans were probably right and that it was Starfleet's principles itself which got them into trouble in the first place... Indicates this show could actually be off to a very good start, and its for that...and a couple of other scenes...despite a few rough patches...I am actually very excited for this show and hope it does well.
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Post by Kabraxal on Oct 1, 2017 7:37:16 GMT
Wow... Sounds like a trainwreck. No wonder some people were pissed. He was calmer than I would have been if I had to give a review... this not only was absolutely awful as Star Trek, it was sinply an awful show period. The writing was some of the worst I've seen in sci fi lately. It is only compounded by taking canon and screaming "**** you!" to the universe it wants to be a part of. To hell with ST: D... it's as enjoyable as the unfortunate abbreviation. Without the the pleasurable act though. Christ what a joke.
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Post by Transcended One on Oct 1, 2017 9:42:30 GMT
Love this line..." Why do you build such a mystique around a simple biological function?".......... "By Any Other Name", also a great episode in my opinion, where the Enterprise was commandeered and rigged to go Warp 11.5 to go to the Andromeda galaxy. Where Kirk was forced to randomly choose the fate of two redshirts in the beginning of the episode and the pretty brunette woman was not the one who lived to see another day. I'm always wondering where these enhancements to the warp engine went off to when they hit the "reset-button" at the end of the episode...
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Post by Sweet FA on Oct 1, 2017 11:03:07 GMT
All Star Trek series tackled serious concepts and characters faced personal tragedies/trauma but it was never consistently grim, now and again it would change the tone and would let it's hair down and have some fun.
Remember, Dr Bashir as a 60's James Bond in "Our Man Bashir". BTW always liked the Bashir/Garak interaction and banter in DS9. Star Trek trivia: Alexander Siddig's (Dr Bashir) uncle is Malcolm McDowell who played the villain Dr Tolian Soran in ST Generations and Alex in Stanley Kubricks Clockwork Orange.
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Post by Transcended One on Oct 1, 2017 13:38:02 GMT
Yeah there were plenty of silly episodes among all the series. Some of which are okay, like Fistful of Datas, but others are (in my opinion) terrible, like that Robin Hood-episode, or that baseball one on DS9, or TOS's Shore Leave.
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All Star Trek series tackled serious concepts and characters faced personal tragedies/trauma but it was never consistently grim, now and again it would change the tone and would let it's hair down and have some fun. Remember, Dr Bashir as a 60's James Bond in "Our Man Bashir". BTW always liked the Bashir/Garak interaction and banter in DS9. Star Trek trivia: Alexander Siddig's (Dr Bashir) uncle is Malcolm McDowell who played the villain Dr Tolian Soran in ST Generations and Alex in Stanley Kubricks Clockwork Orange. Oh, I love Garak vs Bashir, and honestly, Garak vs anyone. That episode when they fly out Garak and Odo to the Changleings home world is a lot of thumbs up for me  I also do find the Baseball theme in D9 annoying, but I assume it is an American-oriented thing to make the viewers there relate to Sisko. I also did not like it that Tom had a huge interest in the 20th century in particular with the cars and all. Both were too ham-fisted imo.
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