Star Trek

Harry Kim is my favorite character in Voyager after Janeway, but hey, like I said, my opinions are like 180 degrees from what I expect everyone else to have, so...

Yeah, I just like the Voyager crew overall, like I said, and I thought Chocotay was really neat, but they sort of ran out of things for him by the end of the series once they stopped trying to ship Janeway and him.

I don't even remember anything from Enterprise. But we re-watched the other three newer series with our daughter (and we are still on DS9) so they are rather fresh in my memory.

I dunno if we will get the next Discovery tomorrow, because last time Crave TV was a day behind the broadcast.

His character went out like a boss too.

So people either like or hate the first two episodes of Discovery.

Canon-nazi's aside (were there any when TMP was released, or TNG?), apparently a lot of people expected it to be more like earlier shows. Episodic format, relatively weak first two seasons, all senior officers having a similar amount of screen time which would take at least two episodes to introduce them all...
Which are possibly a few of the reasons why Enterprise didn't work as well as earlier shows.

So it's not enough Trek, only two characters got a proper introduction (plus a third who got a bit more lines then the rest of the unintroduced crew), and one of them dies. Sarek can mindmelt several lightyears away (I admit that this was ridiculous, but on the other hand, Spock was able to 'hear' VGer in his head in TMP while on Vulcan, and Troi was able to use her empathic powers over quite a distance, which are similarly ridiculous). The Klingons look too alien, and people dislike subtitles.

On a side note, what is this "Orville" I keep hearing about?

I just watched a bit of episode 3 of ST:D. A character was complaining about her polyester allergy. In the future. Why would allergies be a problem? Why, especially, would polyester be a problem? And how, exactly, does a whine about allergies advance the story or develop character? I stopped watching at that point. Maybe the dialogue served an actual purpose, but it wasn't apparent at the time and it killed any enjoyment of the show.

Nah, far from that! It's a much heard complaint.
I'm Dutch, and pretty much everything is subtitled here (besides shows for kids... unfortunately since it's always the same voices...) so I'm used to it. Which is probably one of the reasons why I don't understand people's issue with them.
I do agree that that Klingon dude talked a bit slow, and it got a bit annoying, but that's different from disliking subtitles.



We've had "cable" in my country in basically every home since the 80's, so again, I don't understand the big deal about 'having cable'.


Ah yes Seth McFarlane... As in the guy behind Family Guy and American Dad? I like neither of those shows, even though I watched through FG's first season to see if I like it, but it didn't stick... the show's humour is not for everybody as it seems.

But I'll give The Orville a chance when it arrives here on Netflix or something, see if it's different.

Those cable packages aren't exactly cheap here either. And more different streaming services (and/or HBO) will add on top of that. Luckily for me CBS, Disney, Hulu (and even Amazon) have no jurisdiction here (yet), so it's basically just Netflix, and a more 'local' service.

Additional:  (revised opinion)

I love everything Star Trek (like I try so hard to hide it), but I have absolutely no interest in this new thing, to be honest everything I've seen so far about this I hate, "Extremely disappointed" to say the least. They fucked the Trek canon big style. Now that I think about it, I don't hate it that's a far too lazy explanation for my lack of enthusiasm, oh no I even used "to be honest" in a sentence, talk about lazy I'm just a "basically" away from lethargy.  In reality I really don't feel anything either way about Discovery, I feel numb about it. I've really become apathetic and don't expect much from Star Trek anymore.

I think I first lost interest during Star Trek Beyond, I was sitting there thinking the Spock, McCoy banter was enjoyable but the rest was just a dumb action movie with lots of running about and big bangs/SFX.  They say ignorance is bliss and in this case they are right, I would have enjoyed the film more If I had left my brain at home. So really it begins at this point and I just can't face another shiny lens flare fest, my god I'm so sick of bloody lens flare overkill. So really I'm suffering from lens flare fatigue and I'm becoming allergic to slick visuals, and style over substance.  So Beyond was the straw that broke the camels back and I just can't face any more. That's the real reason. 

At least you can stop lying to yourself now, since Star Trek Beyond already ruined that for you (first).


I was indifferent about Star Trek 2009. Too much action and too little substance.

People say the same about Star Trek Into Darkness. I absolutely loved nearly everything about that movie, which I didn't expect. I've yet to watch Beyond though.

I do think the lens flares running gag is blown out of proportion.


Star Trek Discovery is not the same as the Abrams movies. It's visual style is pretty similar (something I like, but if you're allergic to lens flares it could be problematic), but whatever is presented as the story so far is quite different.

Depends which trek, it's changed over the years. DS9 yes, but the Original series Gold was command. Goes back to the origins of "redshirt" trope, guaranteed death by the end of the episode.



Also to note in ST:D, the famous trek insignia over the left breast now holds the pips associated with rank that were introduced in TNG on the collar. Actually, here it is all in one pic... (Alt-tabbed searching as I type this lol)




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E2 Spoiler inside. (It's a pretty big spoiler if you haven't seen to the end of episode 2 btw.)



Was re-watching with my girlfriend and caught that. Onto episode 3 shortly.

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On the Orville. I've watched the first episode. It pretty much was as expected. Not great, Macfarlane's humour is... spotty at best for me. The humour's managed a few internal chuckles, no genuine LOL's yet. Since I'll shortly be watching the last episode of this season of Rick and Morty I'll need something a bit more lighthearted to enjoy though so I'll give it more time.

If by some strange chance you're considering the Orville and have never tried Rick and Morty I strongly suggest it. For the only show to even come close would be Frisky Dingo but that's some seriously abstract funny in the face of absurdity. (Ie. Not for everyone.)