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Post by colfoley on May 25, 2020 20:37:39 GMT
only thing I'm really worried about is it'll be a bit...episodic. however Anson Mount and Ethan Peck should be charismatic to pull it off. Being episodic would probably serve more in its favor. At least when it has a bad plot, it doesn’t have to commit to it for an entire season, much like it was for every other Star Trek series. I don't think I've ever met a season long plotline I've disliked.
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Post by Iakus on May 25, 2020 22:51:36 GMT
Oh yea, and by the way ... I saw they revealed the logo for Trump's new "Space Force" the other day. I wonder how long it will take before CBS starts their law suit for copyright infringement. They'd lose. Starfleet's insignia is already based on NASA's.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 26, 2020 1:35:37 GMT
Started with Discovery... and I knew something was wrong. Like this wasn't as interesting and thought-provoking as some fans made the Star Trek franchise out to be.
I then went with TNG. Absolutely loved it and has become one of my favorite shows of all time.
Then I went with Picard. Thought it was... okay. Patrick Stewart was excellent, as well as many cast members, but the plotline was beyond generic.
Now I am watching TOS. The storytelling shows it's age but it's still a beautiful and very interesting series. Soon I'll be done with the first season.
After that... DS9 !
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Post by AnDromedary on May 26, 2020 20:40:51 GMT
You're in for a treat my man!
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 26, 2020 21:46:35 GMT
You're in for a treat my man! I know ! I've heard great things about it. Funny enough I've also heard heavy criticisms to it for "not being true Star Trek"... whatever the fuck that means. I know what they're angle and I'm very interested to see it. I just gotta go through TOS and Farscape as well !
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Post by AnDromedary on May 26, 2020 22:41:44 GMT
You're in for a treat my man! I know ! I've heard great things about it. Funny enough I've also heard heavy criticisms to it for "not being true Star Trek"... whatever the fuck that means. I know what they're angle and I'm very interested to see it. I just gotta go through TOS and Farscape as well ! It's a lot darker than TNG and back in the 90s there was some discussion about this (it was also the first series that was concepted without Roddenberry's direct involvement). But I think looking back at it today, it would be tough to make the claim that this is not Trek. In fact, DS9 is very well tied in with both TNG (the last 2 seasons of TNG overlap with the first two of DS9) and the beginning of Voyager. You really get the feeling that it's one huge universe.
Also most of the producers and writers overlapped between the shows. So it's no comparison to Discovery or Picard nowadays. When I do a Star Trek rewatch, I watch TNG, DS9 and Voyager interlaced in more or less the correct chronological order in universe and that works perfectly well IMO.
Just like TNG, DS9 also takes a little time to really start to shine. I thought the first two seasons are already pretty good but by the third season they really dial it up to eleven on this show.
TNG ultimately is also my personal favorite but DS9 is a pretty close second.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on May 26, 2020 23:21:02 GMT
You're in for a treat my man! I know ! I've heard great things about it. Funny enough I've also heard heavy criticisms to it for " not being true Star Trek"... whatever the fuck that means. I know what they're angle and I'm very interested to see it. I just gotta go through TOS and Farscape as well ! It's considered that because DS9 was based on JMS's submitted idea for a SF show; a space station. He was trying to get the funding, etc to get it flying. He spent several years writing the entire plot and chars, beginning to end. Then he went around to a few studios, hoping to get someone onboard. Paramount didn't get onboard but they kept the book, etc. The writers at Paramount thought the concept was good, inspired by it and went to write their DS9 book, taking ideas from JMS's book. JMS finally got WB interested, the SF series is called Babylon 5. Due to this, there was a lot of contention from fans of both sides at that time. JMS initiated legal action to get the book back. Paramount didn't want a ruckus so it was settled out of court. People who watched both shows have noted the similarities.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 26, 2020 23:58:34 GMT
It's considered that because DS9 was based on JMS's submitted idea for a SF show; a space station. He was trying to get the funding, etc to get it flying. He spent several years writing the entire plot and chars, beginning to end. Then he went around to a few studios, hoping to get someone onboard. Paramount didn't get onboard but they kept the book, etc. The writers at Paramount thought the concept was good, inspired by it and went to write their DS9 book, taking ideas from JMS's book. JMS finally got WB interested, the SF series is called Babylon 5. Due to this, there was a lot of contention from fans of both sides at that time. JMS initiated legal action to get the book back. Paramount didn't want a ruckus so it was settled out of court. People who watched both shows have noted the similarities. Oh my ! I want to see Babylon 5 as well but there's only so much time one has in a single day !
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Post by AnDromedary on May 27, 2020 1:50:35 GMT
You still have Farscape and Babylon 5 ahead of you as well? I kinda want to be you at this point and be able to watch all this stuff for the first time again.
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Post by Iakus on May 27, 2020 3:39:24 GMT
I know ! I've heard great things about it. Funny enough I've also heard heavy criticisms to it for " not being true Star Trek"... whatever the fuck that means. I know what they're angle and I'm very interested to see it. I just gotta go through TOS and Farscape as well ! It's considered that because DS9 was based on JMS's submitted idea for a SF show; a space station. He was trying to get the funding, etc to get it flying. He spent several years writing the entire plot and chars, beginning to end. Then he went around to a few studios, hoping to get someone onboard. Paramount didn't get onboard but they kept the book, etc. The writers at Paramount thought the concept was good, inspired by it and went to write their DS9 book, taking ideas from JMS's book. JMS finally got WB interested, the SF series is called Babylon 5. Due to this, there was a lot of contention from fans of both sides at that time. JMS initiated legal action to get the book back. Paramount didn't want a ruckus so it was settled out of court. People who watched both shows have noted the similarities.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 27, 2020 14:00:21 GMT
You still have Farscape and Babylon 5 ahead of you as well? I kinda want to be you at this point and be able to watch all this stuff for the first time again. Truly beautiful shows. I'm on the final season of Farscape so sooner rather than later I'll be finishing that one.
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Post by Heimdall on May 27, 2020 21:53:58 GMT
You still have Farscape and Babylon 5 ahead of you as well? I kinda want to be you at this point and be able to watch all this stuff for the first time again. I watched Farscape years ago, but I’m only vaguely aware of Babylon 5. Now that I’ve worked my way through the available Trek shows, it’s probably as good a time as any.
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Post by skekSil on May 27, 2020 23:25:41 GMT
great now I want to rewatch both of them
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Post by colfoley on May 28, 2020 1:35:08 GMT
I actually might restart watching Babylon 5 after Lorerunner is done with DS9...he was inconsistent on his B5 stuff so I ended up going ahead of him but since its all out their might start it over.
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Post by HYR on May 31, 2020 5:15:54 GMT
I have been meaning to get into Star Trek for some time. I just recently noticed that Netflix has it and have started watching the original series.
I am three episodes in, so far. It's honestly kinda... weird, tbh... but I am committed.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 31, 2020 15:56:20 GMT
I have been meaning to get into Star Trek for some time. I just recently noticed that Netflix has it and have started watching the original series.
I am three episodes in, so far. It's honestly kinda... weird, tbh... but I am committed.
I find it a little tough to rewatch TOS these days as well. This show you really have to appreciate in the context of its time and what the standards were back then.
Starting with the second movie, I feel the franchise starts to become much more easy to and - shall we say - familiar to watch for a modern audience.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 1, 2020 5:08:30 GMT
So the United States seems to be tearing itself apart...for reasons...but perhaps completely coincidentally I got to Far Beyond the Stars in my rewatching of DS9. It is one of the few advantages that episodic television has over the more serialized stuff today...its rare that you have pure episodes of concentrated awesome like this. Though I guess Disco's season 2 finale could also count but I introduced it to my wife as 'perhaps the finest hour of Star Trek ever'. It really is a foot race between this and In the Pale Moonlight. And oh so relevant to what's going on in the news.
And now onto season 2 of Discovery starring mah boi Pike. And they really set the arc up well with Burnham's speech at the start and ten the recap for season 1.
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I stumbled across this just now and thought it was pretty awesome
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Post by Sifr on Jun 22, 2020 7:11:23 GMT
Starfleet's insignia is already based on NASA's. I have a feeling that's true even in-universe.
Starfleet seems to have been born out of the United Earth Space Probe Agency, which itself was likely formed out of NASA, the ISA and the various space agencies merging when the United Earth government was formed.
Kirk even claimed the Enterprise was part of the UESPA in early TOS, which makes me wonder if "Starfleet" was once a separate branch of the organisation that eventually took over responsibility for all other departments, or else was a nickname for the UESPA that later was adopted as their formal name.
So the United States seems to be tearing itself apart...for reasons...but perhaps completely coincidentally I got to Far Beyond the Stars in my rewatching of DS9. It is one of the few advantages that episodic television has over the more serialized stuff today...its rare that you have pure episodes of concentrated awesome like this. Though I guess Disco's season 2 finale could also count but I introduced it to my wife as 'perhaps the finest hour of Star Trek ever'. It really is a foot race between this and In the Pale Moonlight. And oh so relevant to what's going on in the news. I'm struck by how relevant and eerily prescient parts of the "Past Tense" two-parter have ended up becoming.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 22, 2020 7:47:49 GMT
Starfleet's insignia is already based on NASA's. I have a feeling that's true even in-universe.
Starfleet seems to have been born out of the United Earth Space Probe Agency, which itself was likely formed out of NASA, the ISA and the various space agencies merging when the United Earth government was formed.
Kirk even claimed the Enterprise was part of the UESPA in early TOS, which makes me wonder if "Starfleet" was once a separate branch of the organisation that eventually took over responsibility for all other departments, or else was a nickname for the UESPA that later was adopted as their formal name.
So the United States seems to be tearing itself apart...for reasons...but perhaps completely coincidentally I got to Far Beyond the Stars in my rewatching of DS9. It is one of the few advantages that episodic television has over the more serialized stuff today...its rare that you have pure episodes of concentrated awesome like this. Though I guess Disco's season 2 finale could also count but I introduced it to my wife as 'perhaps the finest hour of Star Trek ever'. It really is a foot race between this and In the Pale Moonlight. And oh so relevant to what's going on in the news. I'm struck by how relevant and eerily prescient parts of the "Past Tense" two-parter have ended up becoming.
yeah that Episode occurred to me too.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 22, 2020 8:30:07 GMT
Just finished the episode where Worf saves Jadzia sacrificing the mission.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Jun 23, 2020 23:29:31 GMT
I've been binging through Star Trek during this period of Isolation. Just finished Voyager and I'm now working my way through generations, will likely move onto Enterprise after that.
Never really understood the hate for Voyager and Enterprise, not as good as generations but still good series in their own right. Far better than the ultra-femanist anti man show that is Discovery.
I really was hoping Star Trek Picard would bring back Star Trek to the good old days but even that has been a major disappointment..
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Post by colfoley on Jun 29, 2020 4:08:36 GMT
Don't know if I mentioned it the first time but the episode with Pike finding out about his fate and then finding out that it would change if he does not take the time crystals has some interesting parallels to Picard's time traveling experiment with Q where he got to find out the back story behind his artificial heart.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 2, 2020 18:23:09 GMT
First poster for "Lower Decks". I don't think this is going to be for me. The art style of the characters looks too cartoon-ish for my taste. Unless it is super funny and has exactly my kind of humor, I doubt I'll watch it for long. I actually kinda like aesthetic of the ship though (I like that they went with an Enterprise D style deflector dish). But one question: How the heck are people getting from the saucer to engineering and the warp core on this ship? The turbo lifts would have to run through (or at least alongside) the nacells. That sounds like a really bad idea. Especially in a show that is supposed to take place mainly on the lower decks, that seems very odd.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 3, 2020 12:00:16 GMT
Don't know if I mentioned it the first time but the episode with Pike finding out about his fate and then finding out that it would change if he does not take the time crystals has some interesting parallels to Picard's time traveling experiment with Q where he got to find out the back story behind his artificial heart. Pike's horror at learning his fate and then without hesitation still deciding to set himself irrevocably on that course, sacrificing himself for the greater good, was the moment that cemented my love of the character.
While I didn't agree with all his decisions in S2, he is exactly what I think a Starfleet Captain should be and Anson Mount's immediate charisma from the moment he showed up left me thinking by his first episode that I'd much rather be watching a show about him than any of the characters on the Discovery.
First poster for "Lower Decks". I don't think this is going to be for me. The art style of the characters looks too cartoon-ish for my taste. Unless it is super funny and has exactly my kind of humor, I doubt I'll watch it for long. I actually kinda like aesthetic of the ship though (I like that they went with an Enterprise D style deflector dish). But one question: How the heck are people getting from the saucer to engineering and the warp core on this ship? The turbo lifts would have to run through (or at least alongside) the nacells. That sounds like a really bad idea. Especially in a show that is supposed to take place mainly on the lower decks, that seems very odd. Ensign Boimler's face on the poster mirrors that of most fans, I expect.
The concept of a "Lower Decks" show is brilliant, but I don't know why they decided to make this an animated series rather than a live action one? I suppose if they wanted to do something more lighthearted and comedic, that does suit animation better than live-action, but wouldn't a Star Trek series with a large ensemble cast that doesn't focus on the same 6 people on the bridge be a cool change of pace?
And you're right about the ship's design, why name the show "Lower decks" when then engineering section looks like it only contains the warp core and deflector, with the main hub of activity being located in the saucer section (upper decks). I suppose technically the name can apply to anything below the Bridge, but still... the name did make a lot of sense on the Ent-D because the engineering section was where most people worked, while the saucer was where they lived.
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