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Post by colfoley on Jul 3, 2020 20:21:47 GMT
Don't know if I mentioned it the first time but the episode with Pike finding out about his fate and then finding out that it would change if he does not take the time crystals has some interesting parallels to Picard's time traveling experiment with Q where he got to find out the back story behind his artificial heart. Pike's horror at learning his fate and then without hesitation still deciding to set himself irrevocably on that course, sacrificing himself for the greater good, was the moment that cemented my love of the character.
While I didn't agree with all his decisions in S2, he is exactly what I think a Starfleet Captain should be and Anson Mount's immediate charisma from the moment he showed up left me thinking by his first episode that I'd much rather be watching a show about him than any of the characters on the Discovery.
First poster for "Lower Decks". I don't think this is going to be for me. The art style of the characters looks too cartoon-ish for my taste. Unless it is super funny and has exactly my kind of humor, I doubt I'll watch it for long. I actually kinda like aesthetic of the ship though (I like that they went with an Enterprise D style deflector dish). But one question: How the heck are people getting from the saucer to engineering and the warp core on this ship? The turbo lifts would have to run through (or at least alongside) the nacells. That sounds like a really bad idea. Especially in a show that is supposed to take place mainly on the lower decks, that seems very odd. Ensign Boimler's face on the poster mirrors that of most fans, I expect.
The concept of a "Lower Decks" show is brilliant, but I don't know why they decided to make this an animated series rather than a live action one? I suppose if they wanted to do something more lighthearted and comedic, that does suit animation better than live-action, but wouldn't a Star Trek series with a large ensemble cast that doesn't focus on the same 6 people on the bridge be a cool change of pace?
And you're right about the ship's design, why name the show "Lower decks" when then engineering section looks like it only contains the warp core and deflector, with the main hub of activity being located in the saucer section (upper decks). I suppose technically the name can apply to anything below the Bridge, but still... the name did make a lot of sense on the Ent-D because the engineering section was where most people worked, while the saucer was where they lived.
I think he had me at trolling Tilly. Ugh honestly though this could turn into a Pike cheese fest. Honestly this might be a bit weird TMI but sometimes I make little heart gestures at the screen when he's on it. But really I think him facing off against the Ba'ul AND Saru in that one episode and his conversation with Burnham about the need to embrace science and faith, and his background, is what did it for me. As I think I have mentioned given Star Treks hostility to religion in the past...at least the Western versions...its actually really refreshing to see them talk about it so open, honestly, and with such great nuance for a change. Faith was a core element of season 2s plot. And this is especially true given some of the behind the scenes stuff I've read.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jul 9, 2020 15:26:27 GMT
I've been hopeful about Picard. I was honestly underwhelmed with the first season. At most a 6/10 to me. But hey, nobody really likes to think a lot about the first two seasons of TNG sooooooooooo... maybe there's hope there ?
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I think my glass broke ....
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Post by skekSil on Jul 19, 2020 22:18:53 GMT
So I guess we live in a holoadventure of captain Picard who is playng the role of actor Patrick Stuart who plays the role of captain Picard.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 20, 2020 18:18:30 GMT
That's pretty awesome. Sure it's not Professor Moriarty who tweeted that?
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Post by N7eezo on Jul 20, 2020 19:53:32 GMT
lol the holodeck waste bins After seeing the trailer for Lower Decks I'll stick around for the first season for sure. I'm lukewarm about Disco, but willing to give them one canon unshackled chance to keep be past season 3. Stoked for Strange New Worlds. Not likely to watch Picard season 2 however, unless DS9/VOY characters are involved. Even Rios and Annika/Seven aren't enough to make me suffer trough such storylines again.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jul 25, 2020 23:01:50 GMT
I've been hopeful about Picard. I was honestly underwhelmed with the first season. At most a 6/10 to me. But hey, nobody really likes to think a lot about the first two seasons of TNG sooooooooooo... maybe there's hope there ? P2 might not happen. I'm mostly watching old Star Trek series on Netflix. Not watching anything that comes after Enterprise.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 26, 2020 2:08:01 GMT
I've been hopeful about Picard. I was honestly underwhelmed with the first season. At most a 6/10 to me. But hey, nobody really likes to think a lot about the first two seasons of TNG sooooooooooo... maybe there's hope there ?
But TNG did still have some good episodes here and there in the first couple seasons. Heck one of the series' best characters was introduced right in the first one (Q). I'm not sure what they'd do to really buy people back into Picard if there ever is another season, but for me, they straight fucked it up so far. I just don't have much hope.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 30, 2020 0:14:12 GMT
Oh, great. More Midnight's Edge hysteria.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 30, 2020 6:39:11 GMT
Oh, great. More Midnight's Edge hysteria. Aye, my issue with Midnight's Edge is that when they do investigative reporting, it's frequently well researched and top-notch stuff. But then they'll follow that up with a video that's nothing but naysaying and riddled with their own personal biases, overshadowing the actual news they're trying to report on.
The flagrant misrepresentation of certain facts in videos also annoys me about that bunch of Youtubers.
I remember a few of them did videos about how Doctor Who S12 had the lowest ratings in 31 years... which is kinda odd, because I seem to recall that 31 years ago the show was cancelled and then wasn't on the air for the next 16 years. If they wanted to claim that S12 was the lowest ratings since it came back in 2005, that's fine, but are they seriously claiming that the show had better ratings when it wasn't being made or on television, compared to now?
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 30, 2020 14:40:06 GMT
Now that leaves me with some very mixed feelings. On the one hand, the little video is awesome! On the other, it makes me incredibly sad that we never got this for real.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jul 31, 2020 14:43:14 GMT
I've been hopeful about Picard. I was honestly underwhelmed with the first season. At most a 6/10 to me. But hey, nobody really likes to think a lot about the first two seasons of TNG sooooooooooo... maybe there's hope there ?
But TNG did still have some good episodes here and there in the first couple seasons. Heck one of the series' best characters was introduced right in the first one (Q). I'm not sure what they'd do to really buy people back into Picard if there ever is another season, but for me, they straight fucked it up so far. I just don't have much hope.
They did confirm a second season before the show premiered. I don't know as well if it's going to be good or not honestly but... if the people behind the wheels think they can improve on it then hey, go right ahead because it needs a ton of work.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Aug 1, 2020 8:01:02 GMT
Good one. The comments are equally hilarious. Here's a sample; Kirk: Spock what do you make of that?
Spock: A crude attempt at Starship Design
Kirk: Indeed. Mr Sulu, lock Phasers on target.
Scotty: And that Klingon brute had the nerve to say the Enterprise should be 'hauled away as garbage'. Where was this hunk of junk then?
Kirk: Agreed Mr. Scott...Fire Phasers Mr Sulu.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 4, 2020 9:24:01 GMT
It's sad that this makes perfect sense when you look at what modern Trek has become.
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Post by skekSil on Aug 30, 2020 11:46:48 GMT
4th episode of Lower Decks was hilarious IMO.
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It's sad that this makes perfect sense when you look at what modern Trek has become. That’s a good little fan edit. And it just reminds me of why I hate new Trek... they made it Star Wars. I mean, when top 10 episode lists of ST are done, how many contain any long ship battles or scenes of combat in general? Maybe one, if I’m honest. Hell, most of them are generally the “slower”, character focused pieces like Inner Light, Family, City on the Edge of Forever, In the Pale Moonlight, Duet.... the people behind Trek to return to it’s core. Or hand the reigns over to Seth and The Orville as thoughtful, yet timely sci fi (who thought we would say that of the guy behind Family Guy).
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It's sad that this makes perfect sense when you look at what modern Trek has become. That’s a good little fan edit. And it just reminds me of why I hate new Trek... they made it Star Wars. I mean, when top 10 episode lists of ST are done, how many contain any long ship battles or scenes of combat in general? Maybe one, if I’m honest. Hell, most of them are generally the “slower”, character focused pieces like Inner Light, Family, City on the Edge of Forever, In the Pale Moonlight, Duet.... the people behind Trek to return to it’s core. Or hand the reigns over to Seth and The Orville as thoughtful, yet timely sci fi (who thought we would say that of the guy behind Family Guy). I don't know from the little I have seen of the Orville (with its space battles mind you) if Star Trek starts aping it I'll never watch another episode. Edit: And the whole 'Star Trek is becoming Star Wars thing' is really a fascinating phenmnon for me because I agree...but for reasons different then most people seem to advance. The argument also smacks of 'Starfleet isn't a military Captain!' and similar arguments from fans. Meaning that the tone and the philosophical underpinnings of the franchise have changed to such a degree that it has become Star Trek...whereas they are just borrowing plot points. -The Klingons are acting suspiciously like the Yuuzhan Vong in Discovery. -The Mycellial Network is basically the Force without all the crazy super powers. -The 'planet of Galactic peace' (as I like to call it) sounds suspiciously like Zenoma Sekot... -And Star Trek 2009 was perhaps a bigger 'rip off' of a New Hope then TFA was! But the tone? How has that changed? Trek has always shown action. Trek has always dealt with war and the consequences of people living in them (just that Trek usually dealt with such things episodically and not in an arc manner) But lets see here: -TOS dealt with a war with the Klingons, the Romulans, and more then a few individiual episodes dealing with planets trying to wipe one another out. -TNG had the Romulans, the Cardassians, the Cheliak, and most importantly...the Borg (which Best of Both Worlds was a very action two parter and is widely regarded as the best Trek ever.) -DS9 had the Cardassians, the Zenkethie, and that huge two season arc against the Dominion (which brought us In the Pale Moonlight...an episode not entirely bereft of action) -Voyager- Hirogen, Kazon, Borg, Species 8472...though really they mostly avoided fighting an actual 'war'...so kudos to them. -Enterprise- Klingons, and that huge arc against the Xindi in season 3 and an arc in 4 against the Romulans. Action has always been a part of 'Star Trek'. Star Trek has always had its star wars. Paradise has had to have been defended from people who wanted to take it away from them. And Discovery is no different in that it uses said stories about war to challenge the morality of the character and examine the human condition (just see the Burnham/ Saru speech in season 1 'we are Starfleet, which ranks amongst the most moving moments in the franchise's life span). And war and action can be used as a great vehicle to examine the human condition...as was the entire point of Disco's first season. And this also does a seeming disservice to Star Wars. While maybe not *as* philosophical...it is a film franchise...its still dealt with issues of religion, politics, the rise and fall of empire's, redemption, corruption, etc.
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Post by N7eezo on Sept 8, 2020 10:44:38 GMT
I'm enjoying Lower Decks very much so far, it's fun for long timers with countless nods to the lore, other Trek series/characters but also the humor and especially Mariner (the voice actress excellent performance really adds to the character as well IMO). Today is Star Trek Day btw. with many panels. intl.startrek.com/day
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Post by Kabraxal on Sept 8, 2020 18:15:47 GMT
That’s a good little fan edit. And it just reminds me of why I hate new Trek... they made it Star Wars. I mean, when top 10 episode lists of ST are done, how many contain any long ship battles or scenes of combat in general? Maybe one, if I’m honest. Hell, most of them are generally the “slower”, character focused pieces like Inner Light, Family, City on the Edge of Forever, In the Pale Moonlight, Duet.... the people behind Trek to return to it’s core. Or hand the reigns over to Seth and The Orville as thoughtful, yet timely sci fi (who thought we would say that of the guy behind Family Guy). I don't know from the little I have seen of the Orville (with its space battles mind you) if Star Trek starts aping it I'll never watch another episode. Edit: And the whole 'Star Trek is becoming Star Wars thing' is really a fascinating phenmnon for me because I agree...but for reasons different then most people seem to advance. The argument also smacks of 'Starfleet isn't a military Captain!' and similar arguments from fans. Meaning that the tone and the philosophical underpinnings of the franchise have changed to such a degree that it has become Star Trek...whereas they are just borrowing plot points. -The Klingons are acting suspiciously like the Yuuzhan Vong in Discovery. -The Mycellial Network is basically the Force without all the crazy super powers. -The 'planet of Galactic peace' (as I like to call it) sounds suspiciously like Zenoma Sekot... -And Star Trek 2009 was perhaps a bigger 'rip off' of a New Hope then TFA was! But the tone? How has that changed? Trek has always shown action. Trek has always dealt with war and the consequences of people living in them (just that Trek usually dealt with such things episodically and not in an arc manner) But lets see here: -TOS dealt with a war with the Klingons, the Romulans, and more then a few individiual episodes dealing with planets trying to wipe one another out. -TNG had the Romulans, the Cardassians, the Cheliak, and most importantly...the Borg (which Best of Both Worlds was a very action two parter and is widely regarded as the best Trek ever.) -DS9 had the Cardassians, the Zenkethie, and that huge two season arc against the Dominion (which brought us In the Pale Moonlight...an episode not entirely bereft of action) -Voyager- Hirogen, Kazon, Borg, Species 8472...though really they mostly avoided fighting an actual 'war'...so kudos to them. -Enterprise- Klingons, and that huge arc against the Xindi in season 3 and an arc in 4 against the Romulans. Action has always been a part of 'Star Trek'. Star Trek has always had its star wars. Paradise has had to have been defended from people who wanted to take it away from them. And Discovery is no different in that it uses said stories about war to challenge the morality of the character and examine the human condition (just see the Burnham/ Saru speech in season 1 'we are Starfleet, which ranks amongst the most moving moments in the franchise's life span). And war and action can be used as a great vehicle to examine the human condition...as was the entire point of Disco's first season. And this also does a seeming disservice to Star Wars. While maybe not *as* philosophical...it is a film franchise...its still dealt with issues of religion, politics, the rise and fall of empire's, redemption, corruption, etc. It’s not a knock on Star Wars. It’s saying ST became less about its characters and morals and more about becoming some epic to sweep one away in a tide of action and melodrama. Sure, ST had its action or dealt with war. But out of 400+ hours of television (pre discovery), maybe 50 hours was direct combat and fantastic battles. And I think that is overestimating, if only because the slow build in DS9 led to three long arcs filled with combat in the last two seasons. Star Trek was just a different beast. The latest “Star Trek” hasn’t even tried that tack and has immediately flung itself into spectacular battle scenes, one on one violent combat, and the trappings of more fantasy based sci fi. It’s just not Trek by any real measure of its content and that’s before even touching the bastardisation of the franchises morals and principles. If I want to watch Star Trek, I certainly won’t be touching Discovery or Picard. There is nothing Star Trek about them.
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I don't know from the little I have seen of the Orville (with its space battles mind you) if Star Trek starts aping it I'll never watch another episode. Edit: And the whole 'Star Trek is becoming Star Wars thing' is really a fascinating phenmnon for me because I agree...but for reasons different then most people seem to advance. The argument also smacks of 'Starfleet isn't a military Captain!' and similar arguments from fans. Meaning that the tone and the philosophical underpinnings of the franchise have changed to such a degree that it has become Star Trek...whereas they are just borrowing plot points. -The Klingons are acting suspiciously like the Yuuzhan Vong in Discovery. -The Mycellial Network is basically the Force without all the crazy super powers. -The 'planet of Galactic peace' (as I like to call it) sounds suspiciously like Zenoma Sekot... -And Star Trek 2009 was perhaps a bigger 'rip off' of a New Hope then TFA was! But the tone? How has that changed? Trek has always shown action. Trek has always dealt with war and the consequences of people living in them (just that Trek usually dealt with such things episodically and not in an arc manner) But lets see here: -TOS dealt with a war with the Klingons, the Romulans, and more then a few individiual episodes dealing with planets trying to wipe one another out. -TNG had the Romulans, the Cardassians, the Cheliak, and most importantly...the Borg (which Best of Both Worlds was a very action two parter and is widely regarded as the best Trek ever.) -DS9 had the Cardassians, the Zenkethie, and that huge two season arc against the Dominion (which brought us In the Pale Moonlight...an episode not entirely bereft of action) -Voyager- Hirogen, Kazon, Borg, Species 8472...though really they mostly avoided fighting an actual 'war'...so kudos to them. -Enterprise- Klingons, and that huge arc against the Xindi in season 3 and an arc in 4 against the Romulans. Action has always been a part of 'Star Trek'. Star Trek has always had its star wars. Paradise has had to have been defended from people who wanted to take it away from them. And Discovery is no different in that it uses said stories about war to challenge the morality of the character and examine the human condition (just see the Burnham/ Saru speech in season 1 'we are Starfleet, which ranks amongst the most moving moments in the franchise's life span). And war and action can be used as a great vehicle to examine the human condition...as was the entire point of Disco's first season. And this also does a seeming disservice to Star Wars. While maybe not *as* philosophical...it is a film franchise...its still dealt with issues of religion, politics, the rise and fall of empire's, redemption, corruption, etc. It’s not a knock on Star Wars. It’s saying ST became less about its characters and morals and more about becoming some epic to sweep one away in a tide of action and melodrama. Sure, ST had its action or dealt with war. But out of 400+ hours of television (pre discovery), maybe 50 hours was direct combat and fantastic battles. And I think that is overestimating, if only because the slow build in DS9 led to three long arcs filled with combat in the last two seasons. Star Trek was just a different beast. The latest “Star Trek” hasn’t even tried that tack and has immediately flung itself into spectacular battle scenes, one on one violent combat, and the trappings of more fantasy based sci fi. It’s just not Trek by any real measure of its content and that’s before even touching the bastardisation of the franchises morals and principles. If I want to watch Star Trek, I certainly won’t be touching Discovery or Picard. There is nothing Star Trek about them. But again Star Trek has always had that kind of thing. Kirk against the Gorn, Kirk against the Magatu... and 'spectacular battle scenes' is a really...vague way of going about it that could easily be tied to advances in sppecial effects tech and tv budgets. But for every 'battle of Pavo' there is an 'Balance of Terror' 'Errand of Mercy', 'Best of Both Worlds', or 'Sarcrifice of Angels', 'Scorpion', and that one to parter where the Hirogen took Voyager. How about basterdizing Federation values? The entire point of Discvery's first season was about learning to defend those values in the face of extreme adversity.
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Post by Kabraxal on Sept 8, 2020 19:53:26 GMT
It’s not a knock on Star Wars. It’s saying ST became less about its characters and morals and more about becoming some epic to sweep one away in a tide of action and melodrama. Sure, ST had its action or dealt with war. But out of 400+ hours of television (pre discovery), maybe 50 hours was direct combat and fantastic battles. And I think that is overestimating, if only because the slow build in DS9 led to three long arcs filled with combat in the last two seasons. Star Trek was just a different beast. The latest “Star Trek” hasn’t even tried that tack and has immediately flung itself into spectacular battle scenes, one on one violent combat, and the trappings of more fantasy based sci fi. It’s just not Trek by any real measure of its content and that’s before even touching the bastardisation of the franchises morals and principles. If I want to watch Star Trek, I certainly won’t be touching Discovery or Picard. There is nothing Star Trek about them. But again Star Trek has always had that kind of thing. Kirk against the Gorn, Kirk against the Magatu... and 'spectacular battle scenes' is a really...vague way of going about it that could easily be tied to advances in sppecial effects tech and tv budgets. But for every 'battle of Pavo' there is an 'Balance of Terror' 'Errand of Mercy', 'Best of Both Worlds', or 'Sarcrifice of Angels', 'Scorpion', and that one to parter where the Hirogen took Voyager. How about basterdizing Federation values? The entire point of Discvery's first season was about learning to defend those values in the face of extreme adversity. I included those scenes in my estimates. Star Trek has some action, but it was a series less about action and more about the science, cultures, and interactions. The new Trek has far more one dimensional characters and has focused on more ways to appeal to a demographic that couldn’t care less about what Star Trek had been. Star Trek probably should have been left to rest. It isn’t something that works when they try to meld BSG and Star Wars into it. It’s basically a similar reason the movies, all generatioms, mostly failed creatively. They couldn’t be an episode of Trek.
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 9, 2020 6:24:12 GMT
Happy belated Star Trek Day everyone. The new trailer for Discovery s3 is out:
Also I listened to some of the panels in the background and I have really high hopes for Strange new Worlds. Sure, there was a lot of marketing blabla but it really feels like the mind of the producers is in the right spot here. They want to go back to a much more classic Trek format and also to more episodic story telling with enclosed episodes. They joked that this is the actual series to come out of the pilot The Cage but if that's the spirit, I am all for it. Fingers crossed.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 9, 2020 21:11:09 GMT
I don't know from the little I have seen of the Orville (with its space battles mind you) if Star Trek starts aping it I'll never watch another episode. Edit: And the whole 'Star Trek is becoming Star Wars thing' is really a fascinating phenmnon for me because I agree...but for reasons different then most people seem to advance. The argument also smacks of 'Starfleet isn't a military Captain!' and similar arguments from fans. Meaning that the tone and the philosophical underpinnings of the franchise have changed to such a degree that it has become Star Trek...whereas they are just borrowing plot points. -The Klingons are acting suspiciously like the Yuuzhan Vong in Discovery. -The Mycellial Network is basically the Force without all the crazy super powers. -The 'planet of Galactic peace' (as I like to call it) sounds suspiciously like Zenoma Sekot... -And Star Trek 2009 was perhaps a bigger 'rip off' of a New Hope then TFA was! But the tone? How has that changed? Trek has always shown action. Trek has always dealt with war and the consequences of people living in them (just that Trek usually dealt with such things episodically and not in an arc manner) But lets see here: -TOS dealt with a war with the Klingons, the Romulans, and more then a few individiual episodes dealing with planets trying to wipe one another out. -TNG had the Romulans, the Cardassians, the Cheliak, and most importantly...the Borg (which Best of Both Worlds was a very action two parter and is widely regarded as the best Trek ever.) -DS9 had the Cardassians, the Zenkethie, and that huge two season arc against the Dominion (which brought us In the Pale Moonlight...an episode not entirely bereft of action) -Voyager- Hirogen, Kazon, Borg, Species 8472...though really they mostly avoided fighting an actual 'war'...so kudos to them. -Enterprise- Klingons, and that huge arc against the Xindi in season 3 and an arc in 4 against the Romulans. Action has always been a part of 'Star Trek'. Star Trek has always had its star wars. Paradise has had to have been defended from people who wanted to take it away from them. And Discovery is no different in that it uses said stories about war to challenge the morality of the character and examine the human condition (just see the Burnham/ Saru speech in season 1 'we are Starfleet, which ranks amongst the most moving moments in the franchise's life span). And war and action can be used as a great vehicle to examine the human condition...as was the entire point of Disco's first season. And this also does a seeming disservice to Star Wars. While maybe not *as* philosophical...it is a film franchise...its still dealt with issues of religion, politics, the rise and fall of empire's, redemption, corruption, etc. It’s not a knock on Star Wars. It’s saying ST became less about its characters and morals and more about becoming some epic to sweep one away in a tide of action and melodrama. Sure, ST had its action or dealt with war. But out of 400+ hours of television (pre discovery), maybe 50 hours was direct combat and fantastic battles. And I think that is overestimating, if only because the slow build in DS9 led to three long arcs filled with combat in the last two seasons. Star Trek was just a different beast. The latest “Star Trek” hasn’t even tried that tack and has immediately flung itself into spectacular battle scenes, one on one violent combat, and the trappings of more fantasy based sci fi. It’s just not Trek by any real measure of its content and that’s before even touching the bastardisation of the franchises morals and principles. If I want to watch Star Trek, I certainly won’t be touching Discovery or Picard. There is nothing Star Trek about them. The writing was pretty much on the wall even before the 2009 film came out, much to a lot of positive reception. It didn’t matter that poured over annoying melodrama, nor did it matter that the actual plot of the villain made absolutely no sense. It was a new glitzy thing that yanked that nostalgia chain harder than Kong in shackles. It was determined that new Trek would be Dumb As Fuck, and as a product that sold well as such, it was probably going to stay that way ‘til the bitter end. I felt that Star Trek was never really a series that served all that well as a film franchise. After Wrath of Khan, it was always kind of shaky, but not so terrible as to really disrupt the series itself. The TNG movies however, were really where the decline started, and its’ been a slow grim death of quality ever since. It’s kind of telling when the only series that remotely captures that air of authenticity with Trek is the animated parody series. I’ve come to terms with Trek going to its grave dumber than a box full of Kurtzmans, so I’ll just settle with getting enjoyment out of watching this thing slowly fail and CBS eventually scramble to find some way to revive it.
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