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Post by colfoley on Jul 25, 2023 6:21:19 GMT
SNWs Season 2 Episode 7...Those Old Scientists. Biggest recomendation I can have for this episode is that I want to watch Lower Decks now. Don't know when I will get around to it but this episode was a real treat and both Boimler and Mariner were fun as hell. Plus made a lot of other things going for it to which was nice. +THe 'previously on'. Not much of a win but given that this episode starts all animated it was important to actually do it this once so people know you are watching the right show. -THat Orion joke. Bit fun at first especially considering that Trek has been big into the race of hats thing before which is kind of an annoying Sci Fi tv trope...so yeah kind of nice to hear that and well especially since my reaction to hearing about Tendi in the first place 'what? An Orion in Starfleet? As a science officer?' so maybe a down for me to...but then they kept on making it over and over again. +The Puns- Oh the puns. 'On Worf's Honor' 'Holy Q!' Bit weird but this is somethignt hat might actually happen. I guess. Definitley works in a metatextual context though. +The character continuity. So the thing about this I mentioned in the above post is certainly true but then the exact opposite is good too. Kind of weird though because you figure if they are good at this they would be good at the other thing too...but these shows aren't good about setting things up, but they are good in following through. So all of the issues mentioned in the last few episodes continued to be built up here. Chapel, Uhurha, and Spock's was the funniest of the entire group though considering how much it weirded Boimler out. -Blaming Boimler for the Orions getting away. Really weird and really out of character and oh look that joke again. Like I know I often whine about Starfleet security and things happening 'because plot' but this is actually how Starfleet typically operates. They didn't have the portal onboard, they also really had no way of suspecting the Orion's was going to do anything. And Starfleet tends to always talk things out until, and even when, things get actively hostile. Especially with Pike so it would've been incredibly OC for Pike to just start fighting like that. Unless I missed things events would've played out exactly that way had Boimler been there or not been there. +Rather elegant solution with the Orions at the end. Kind of got things wrapped up Temporally and a lot of nice pay offs with various checkov's guns. Fascinating principle introduced here of having the hull of a previous ship get incorporated in the new one. Is that a real thing? And has some interesting implications for the future. +The Party. Loved seeing the SNWs crew all animated for this gag. Oh two more puns I forgot to mention...you guys look very...realistic...doesen't everyone look 2 dimensional? Hilarious. And then the gag with the Orion drink 'what the hell is even in this stuff'. And then of course the poster refernce to. And nice 'TOS' reference.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Jul 25, 2023 16:18:43 GMT
B. unless they reboot TOS we know where this is going so...
I've honestly started to wonder if they're floating that idea around. Occurred to me near the end of the ep at random.
Screen testing him on SNW, almost the same way Mount got his "captaincy" from DIS2.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 25, 2023 16:37:25 GMT
SNWs Season 2 Episode 7...Those Old Scientists. Biggest recomendation I can have for this episode is that I want to watch Lower Decks now. Don't know when I will get around to it but this episode was a real treat and both Boimler and Mariner were fun as hell. Plus made a lot of other things going for it to which was nice. +THe 'previously on'. Not much of a win but given that this episode starts all animated it was important to actually do it this once so people know you are watching the right show. -THat Orion joke. Bit fun at first especially considering that Trek has been big into the race of hats thing before which is kind of an annoying Sci Fi tv trope...so yeah kind of nice to hear that and well especially since my reaction to hearing about Tendi in the first place 'what? An Orion in Starfleet? As a science officer?' so maybe a down for me to...but then they kept on making it over and over again. +The Puns- Oh the puns. 'On Worf's Honor' 'Holy Q!' Bit weird but this is somethignt hat might actually happen. I guess. Definitley works in a metatextual context though. +The character continuity. So the thing about this I mentioned in the above post is certainly true but then the exact opposite is good too. Kind of weird though because you figure if they are good at this they would be good at the other thing too...but these shows aren't good about setting things up, but they are good in following through. So all of the issues mentioned in the last few episodes continued to be built up here. Chapel, Uhurha, and Spock's was the funniest of the entire group though considering how much it weirded Boimler out. -Blaming Boimler for the Orions getting away. Really weird and really out of character and oh look that joke again. Like I know I often whine about Starfleet security and things happening 'because plot' but this is actually how Starfleet typically operates. They didn't have the portal onboard, they also really had no way of suspecting the Orion's was going to do anything. And Starfleet tends to always talk things out until, and even when, things get actively hostile. Especially with Pike so it would've been incredibly OC for Pike to just start fighting like that. Unless I missed things events would've played out exactly that way had Boimler been there or not been there. +Rather elegant solution with the Orions at the end. Kind of got things wrapped up Temporally and a lot of nice pay offs with various checkov's guns. Fascinating principle introduced here of having the hull of a previous ship get incorporated in the new one. Is that a real thing? And has some interesting implications for the future. +The Party. Loved seeing the SNWs crew all animated for this gag. Oh two more puns I forgot to mention...you guys look very...realistic...doesen't everyone look 2 dimensional? Hilarious. And then the gag with the Orion drink 'what the hell is even in this stuff'. And then of course the poster refernce to. And nice 'TOS' reference. Wait, do I understand you correctly there, you haven't seen anything of Lower Decks? If so, dam, do watch it (at least some of it) and then rewatch this, I'd imagine it gets way better if you are familiar with LD. For example, one specific thing you mentioned: The whole thing with Tendi and the Orions is a bit of a long standing thing in Lower Decks. She isn't necessarily the first Orion in Starfleet (at elast IIRC it's never mentioned) but she did have a tough time in Starfleet Academy because of it and so she is pretty sensitive. There is an LD episode where she is on a mission with Mariner and the whole thing gets explored in a bit more detail. So because Tendi is sensitive, so is Boimler and he is bringing it to the past. That's why it's played up a little here. I can see how it might seem a bit weird to get hung up on this if you haven't seen LD but in the context of that show it makes perfect sense. As for blaming Boimler for the Orions getting away, I may have to re-watch but I don't think anyone really blamed him directly (other than he himself probably but that's his issue ). As becomes clear in Pike's talk with Una after, Pike just generally admits to being taken so much with the way a time traveler from the future hero-worshiped him that he (Pike) might not have been at the top of his game in general ... and he's probably right about that. On an unrelated note, it occurred to me how much Boimler as a time traveler actually has in common with that weird conman/time traveler in the TNG episode "A Matter of Time". He was also super weird from the perspective of the TNG crew and he also always hinted at some future events that would make the TNG crew figures of history. Of course, he was a con man and his goal was to ensnare and distract them from him stealing all the tech but still, IMO, one of the reason the two weird cartoon-ish characters work in the SNW context in this episode is because they are out of their time and ths it makes sense for them to be the odd ones out (even if one ignores the meta-knowledge of this being a cartoon/live-action crossover). It was just a stroke of genious to use those two "fish out of water" aspects and entangle them in this way. I htink even if one is not too fond of Lower Decks or this episode, one at least has to respect that.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 26, 2023 4:07:24 GMT
B. unless they reboot TOS we know where this is going so...
I've honestly started to wonder if they're floating that idea around. Occurred to me near the end of the ep at random.
Screen testing him on SNW, almost the same way Mount got his "captaincy" from DIS2. I've heard some commentary and theories floating around this on the web that this is where they are going and normally I would say no...we've already had TOS and a kind of failed reboot with the Kelvin Timeline which does have its defenders buuuutt. So yeah.
On the flip side its a bit odd that they are giving this much screentime and this much attention to Paul Wesley. IDK. Maybe a Long Trek?
Speaking of though I loved how Trek Culture pointed out how they were able to, at least mostly, preserve canon with the Promotion to Fleet Captain. SNWs Season 2 Episode 7...Those Old Scientists. Biggest recomendation I can have for this episode is that I want to watch Lower Decks now. Don't know when I will get around to it but this episode was a real treat and both Boimler and Mariner were fun as hell. Plus made a lot of other things going for it to which was nice. +THe 'previously on'. Not much of a win but given that this episode starts all animated it was important to actually do it this once so people know you are watching the right show. -THat Orion joke. Bit fun at first especially considering that Trek has been big into the race of hats thing before which is kind of an annoying Sci Fi tv trope...so yeah kind of nice to hear that and well especially since my reaction to hearing about Tendi in the first place 'what? An Orion in Starfleet? As a science officer?' so maybe a down for me to...but then they kept on making it over and over again. +The Puns- Oh the puns. 'On Worf's Honor' 'Holy Q!' Bit weird but this is somethignt hat might actually happen. I guess. Definitley works in a metatextual context though. +The character continuity. So the thing about this I mentioned in the above post is certainly true but then the exact opposite is good too. Kind of weird though because you figure if they are good at this they would be good at the other thing too...but these shows aren't good about setting things up, but they are good in following through. So all of the issues mentioned in the last few episodes continued to be built up here. Chapel, Uhurha, and Spock's was the funniest of the entire group though considering how much it weirded Boimler out. -Blaming Boimler for the Orions getting away. Really weird and really out of character and oh look that joke again. Like I know I often whine about Starfleet security and things happening 'because plot' but this is actually how Starfleet typically operates. They didn't have the portal onboard, they also really had no way of suspecting the Orion's was going to do anything. And Starfleet tends to always talk things out until, and even when, things get actively hostile. Especially with Pike so it would've been incredibly OC for Pike to just start fighting like that. Unless I missed things events would've played out exactly that way had Boimler been there or not been there. +Rather elegant solution with the Orions at the end. Kind of got things wrapped up Temporally and a lot of nice pay offs with various checkov's guns. Fascinating principle introduced here of having the hull of a previous ship get incorporated in the new one. Is that a real thing? And has some interesting implications for the future. +The Party. Loved seeing the SNWs crew all animated for this gag. Oh two more puns I forgot to mention...you guys look very...realistic...doesen't everyone look 2 dimensional? Hilarious. And then the gag with the Orion drink 'what the hell is even in this stuff'. And then of course the poster refernce to. And nice 'TOS' reference. Wait, do I understand you correctly there, you haven't seen anything of Lower Decks? If so, dam, do watch it (at least some of it) and then rewatch this, I'd imagine it gets way better if you are familiar with LD. For example, one specific thing you mentioned: The whole thing with Tendi and the Orions is a bit of a long standing thing in Lower Decks. She isn't necessarily the first Orion in Starfleet (at elast IIRC it's never mentioned) but she did have a tough time in Starfleet Academy because of it and so she is pretty sensitive. There is an LD episode where she is on a mission with Mariner and the whole thing gets explored in a bit more detail. So because Tendi is sensitive, so is Boimler and he is bringing it to the past. That's why it's played up a little here. I can see how it might seem a bit weird to get hung up on this if you haven't seen LD but in the context of that show it makes perfect sense. As for blaming Boimler for the Orions getting away, I may have to re-watch but I don't think anyone really blamed him directly (other than he himself probably but that's his issue ). As becomes clear in Pike's talk with Una after, Pike just generally admits to being taken so much with the way a time traveler from the future hero-worshiped him that he (Pike) might not have been at the top of his game in general ... and he's probably right about that. On an unrelated note, it occurred to me how much Boimler as a time traveler actually has in common with that weird conman/time traveler in the TNG episode "A Matter of Time". He was also super weird from the perspective of the TNG crew and he also always hinted at some future events that would make the TNG crew figures of history. Of course, he was a con man and his goal was to ensnare and distract them from him stealing all the tech but still, IMO, one of the reason the two weird cartoon-ish characters work in the SNW context in this episode is because they are out of their time and ths it makes sense for them to be the odd ones out (even if one ignores the meta-knowledge of this being a cartoon/live-action crossover). It was just a stroke of genious to use those two "fish out of water" aspects and entangle them in this way. I htink even if one is not too fond of Lower Decks or this episode, one at least has to respect that. Yeah. I haven't seen any of Lower Decks at least not an entire episode. I've seen clips though on YouTube and its kind of been on my list of thigns to watch but now its a little higher. Really loved Boimler and Mariner in this.
But yeah what you said actually makes a lot of sense considering one of the clips I did see of them was Tendi and what's his face visiting DS9 on Quark's bar and Tendi getting really uncomfortable by that one Orion. So that does track.
And I guess I didn't do a good job explaining the 'down' there but not so much about the blaming Boims I objected to though that was irksome just that I don't think that situation wouldn't have gone any differently had Boimler not been there. Based on how Starfleet normally operates and Pike especially and even all the Captains I think it would've happened to any of them and its perfectly consistent with Federation values to do so. Maybe not Janeway. She probably would've put a torpedo spread into them. Did forget at least one win from the 3.7 Love what they were doing with Spock really. Part of the awkwardness of course comes from Boimler seeing all this happening but of course I just love Ethan Peck's acting here and he is just acting like a really gung ho teenager so any awkwardness does have that explnation.
And the look on Chapel's face was heartbreaking. God this cast may be the best from an acting stand point we've seen in a Trek series. Though Voyager and DS9 hmm.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 26, 2023 5:31:24 GMT
I've honestly started to wonder if they're floating that idea around. Occurred to me near the end of the ep at random.
Screen testing him on SNW, almost the same way Mount got his "captaincy" from DIS2. I've heard some commentary and theories floating around this on the web that this is where they are going and normally I would say no...we've already had TOS and a kind of failed reboot with the Kelvin Timeline which does have its defenders buuuutt. So yeah.
On the flip side its a bit odd that they are giving this much screentime and this much attention to Paul Wesley. IDK. Maybe a Long Trek?
Speaking of though I loved how Trek Culture pointed out how they were able to, at least mostly, preserve canon with the Promotion to Fleet Captain. Wait, do I understand you correctly there, you haven't seen anything of Lower Decks? If so, dam, do watch it (at least some of it) and then rewatch this, I'd imagine it gets way better if you are familiar with LD. For example, one specific thing you mentioned: The whole thing with Tendi and the Orions is a bit of a long standing thing in Lower Decks. She isn't necessarily the first Orion in Starfleet (at elast IIRC it's never mentioned) but she did have a tough time in Starfleet Academy because of it and so she is pretty sensitive. There is an LD episode where she is on a mission with Mariner and the whole thing gets explored in a bit more detail. So because Tendi is sensitive, so is Boimler and he is bringing it to the past. That's why it's played up a little here. I can see how it might seem a bit weird to get hung up on this if you haven't seen LD but in the context of that show it makes perfect sense. As for blaming Boimler for the Orions getting away, I may have to re-watch but I don't think anyone really blamed him directly (other than he himself probably but that's his issue ). As becomes clear in Pike's talk with Una after, Pike just generally admits to being taken so much with the way a time traveler from the future hero-worshiped him that he (Pike) might not have been at the top of his game in general ... and he's probably right about that. On an unrelated note, it occurred to me how much Boimler as a time traveler actually has in common with that weird conman/time traveler in the TNG episode "A Matter of Time". He was also super weird from the perspective of the TNG crew and he also always hinted at some future events that would make the TNG crew figures of history. Of course, he was a con man and his goal was to ensnare and distract them from him stealing all the tech but still, IMO, one of the reason the two weird cartoon-ish characters work in the SNW context in this episode is because they are out of their time and ths it makes sense for them to be the odd ones out (even if one ignores the meta-knowledge of this being a cartoon/live-action crossover). It was just a stroke of genious to use those two "fish out of water" aspects and entangle them in this way. I htink even if one is not too fond of Lower Decks or this episode, one at least has to respect that. Yeah. I haven't seen any of Lower Decks at least not an entire episode. I've seen clips though on YouTube and its kind of been on my list of thigns to watch but now its a little higher. Really loved Boimler and Mariner in this.
But yeah what you said actually makes a lot of sense considering one of the clips I did see of them was Tendi and what's his face visiting DS9 on Quark's bar and Tendi getting really uncomfortable by that one Orion. So that does track.
And I guess I didn't do a good job explaining the 'down' there but not so much about the blaming Boims I objected to though that was irksome just that I don't think that situation wouldn't have gone any differently had Boimler not been there. Based on how Starfleet normally operates and Pike especially and even all the Captains I think it would've happened to any of them and its perfectly consistent with Federation values to do so. Maybe not Janeway. She probably would've put a torpedo spread into them. Did forget at least one win from the 3.7 Love what they were doing with Spock really. Part of the awkwardness of course comes from Boimler seeing all this happening but of course I just love Ethan Peck's acting here and he is just acting like a really gung ho teenager so any awkwardness does have that explnation.
And the look on Chapel's face was heartbreaking. God this cast may be the best from an acting stand point we've seen in a Trek series. Though Voyager and DS9 hmm. Yep, I really recommend Lower Decks. It can be a bit ... shrill at times (something I had to get used to myself) but what I like most about it is that beneath all the gags and the slapstick and the easter eggs (god, so many easter eggs), in most episodes, they actually tell stories that are very true to the Trek spirit. And the crew of the Cerritos (both bridge and lower deckers) grew on me really fast.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Jul 27, 2023 20:32:02 GMT
Didn't know if ep8 would release or not given 7 showed up early but we gots it.
I was curious how the next ep would go given it had some big shoes to fill after 7. Luckily it was pretty damn good and they leaned into the pendulum swing going for a serious episode rather than trying to slow down with another mid or lighthearted ep. Good choice imho.
This episode was quite personal, layered characterization on previous groundwork. Looking ahead from the past and behind from the present.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 31, 2023 2:43:15 GMT
Was home sick this week so I kind of binged the first season of Lower Decks. Though at some of the time my attention was divided because I was trying to get some writing done. But pretty descent so far overall though sometimes they seem a little...too high strung.
And why I hate my memory even still but probably the lines that got the biggest lols out of me is Mariner's "Remove your pants" to Boimler followed by his *shocked gasp* "Mariner!" Also Ransom wanting to find a different simulation with more children because Rutherford almost got everyone killed in I think episode 2.
Biggest issue with this show has to be the senior staff. All the 'Lower Decks' people has their moments and is pretty even keeled but Freeman and Ransom are...well incompetent...and Ransom is Kirk/ Riker without any of thier charm.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Jul 31, 2023 4:18:10 GMT
Biggest issue with this show has to be the senior staff. All the 'Lower Decks' people has their moments and is pretty even keeled but Freeman and Ransom are...well incompetent...and Ransom is Kirk/ Riker without any of thier charm. The bridge crew get some development in S2/3. Lt. Shax the Bajoran Sec. Chief and Dr. T'Ana are personal favourites. Ransom is Ransom but... less... Ransom...
Freeman gets more characterization and while she's still a source of conflict for Mariner they explore other facets of their relationship. (Ie. Freeman gets airtime via Mariner so she gets some fluffing out.)
Some good cameos from Trek alumni in S2/3 too, and a few great villains. Couple in particular are just the absolute worst. Comic but engenders hair-pulling frustration.
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Biggest issue with this show has to be the senior staff. All the 'Lower Decks' people has their moments and is pretty even keeled but Freeman and Ransom are...well incompetent...and Ransom is Kirk/ Riker without any of thier charm. The bridge crew get some development in S2/3. Lt. Shax the Bajoran Sec. Chief and Dr. T'Ana are personal favourites. Ransom is Ransom but... less... Ransom...
Freeman gets more characterization and while she's still a source of conflict for Mariner they explore other facets of their relationship. (Ie. Freeman gets airtime via Mariner so she gets some fluffing out.)
Some good cameos from Trek alumni in S2/3 too, and a few great villains. Couple in particular are just the absolute worst. Comic but engenders hair-pulling frustration.
I did forget to mention Shax and the kitty doctor with the very obvious kitty jokes yet that stuff lands so I agree. And right now where I am Shax is 'dead' but given I have seen him in Kira's office which hasn't happened yet I am pretty sure that'll be reversed. And yeah know about Kira, Quark, and my personal favorite, We'll Always have Tom Paris so there is that to look for if and when I get back to this. *** Under the Cloak of War. So another very difficult episode to get through and soemthing I think I am going to be thinking about for a loooonnnnngg time. I know this is kind of the weird perspective looking back on Trek because I feel like this certainly could contend for the darkest hours of Trek ever...nah just changed my mind, its up there, but the episode where Chief O'Brien did that mind prison thing...the episode I did not rewatch during my run through DS9 and probably one of the two Trek episodes that is so either bad or personally effecting it will be hard for a rewatch...but that's neither here nor there. In a way though this episode was the exact opposite of Tommorow and TOmmorow and Tommorow because in that episode not exactly bad but had very high end political overtones to that one which were off putting (which has also come up in Lower Decks to) but then was amazing in the last five minutes. This episode was amazing except one scene kind of almost ruined it. The weird bit is now I almost think I might be misunderstanding things so I would love to hear everyone else's thoughts on this as well because I actually made sure to watch the Trek Culture on this for perspective and Sean kind of had a different thought on it to so again...maybe I missed something. Anyways. +The Klingon Ambassador...so we knew this week that they would be daling with a Klingon Defector like the Romulan Defector in the Defector...but the reveal that they are talking about this noted Federation Ambassador...and you have to know in the back of your head its him but when he beams in, feet first, it pans up, Klingon. Beatiful. +Ortegas the racist. Giving racism a win. Now this takes me back to that huge scene I downed like hell in A Quality of Mercy where Ortegas replaced the navigator from Balance of Terror when she had none of those traits in any previous episode and then Pike acted a little OOC. But now retroactively it makes a bit more sense, not so much that she jumped down on Spock because that still sucked and is OOC but now we know it is a part of her character that she is a little less evolved then most of your humans. And I'm here for it because this time it makes sense. Though I think its one interesting thing this show does in reverse characterization sort of introducing an idea then explaining it later. First Ortegas and then M'Benga's kick ass ways. And even better to though since Pike and Una both acted very profesional here, unlike in A Quality of Mercy, just gave Ortegas a look like 'you know you fucked up' but not actually drawing attention to it in public. Ugh hate it when I just gush/ diss these scenes way too much and just go on about it especially when I asked for specific input on something else. On the Ortegas end very unprofessional but I also gives it a pass because whether its politics or just plain stress, no that conversation should NOT have happened on the bridge but you just started chatting idly about a sensitive issue and pretty soon your about to choke out your friend. Still great. +The flash backs. The entire nature of the flashbacks was horrofic to watch, just perfect. A very perfect society having trouble getting supplies to the front in a war...great. Having to pump a guy's heart manually...nice call back to Lower Decks. And keeping that guy in the pattern buffer just to lose him, again it was set up and advertised well in advance but it worked out really well. And also "Incoming Transport" Being a metrinome for the episode and just really reminded me of MASH, just without any of the humorous overtones. +That entire dinner scene. Probably the best scene of the episode. Just so delightfully tense and there was this pit in my stomach the entire time. Loved Ortegas's bit about "Remain Klingon" being shouted on the comms as the reference to Discovery. Loved Pike's empahty on full display telling M'Benga to get out of there, but sadly the Ambassador did not have that same sense of empathy. And this hits the nose on the head because generally unless SNWs is being really stupid about it this show has such a delightful attention to these philosophical issues because this scene highlights what this whole episode does well, and several previous episodes, neither side is exactly right here. Both sides have a point. We see this scene largely from the perspective of Chapel and its just like Uhurha fawning over this guy and going on about how amazing of a negatiator he was. It just came off as being so fake and false but then this guy could be doing important work so the perspective is there. +The Martial Arts scene. I'm not an expert on this per se and thus might even be off base but I have studied a little martial arts and M'Benga's and Rah's fight there looked really...alien. Like it wasn't quite a human martial arts form but an alien one. Kudos. +The score. Not often I complement the score of an episode specifically and Trek has had some music that has been...all over the place in quality...but this episode's score was always resonant to what was going on. ANd may've been my imagination but could've sworn I heard ghosts of music speicifically used in Discovery. +Daddy Pike, Momma Una. Not exactly sure if I have ever voiced this but this episode, two seasons in, is the first confirmation I've gotten on a theory that has been cooking since the beginning of this series. Pike and Una make a hell of a command team. Riker/ Picard (yes I really dislike Picard individually but he and Riker did make a great team) and Janeway/ Chickotay. The constant complaint of this show being the characters don't often get a lot of screen time and fleshing out beyond their episodes (though the last couple of weeks have been great about that to) its been hard to see this theory in confirmation...but I've always thought where Janeway was momma bear to her crew, Pike is pappa wolf to his. Very emphatetic character, cares deeply about the people under him. But then the counter thought is that then Una would be the 'mom' of this crew. And this scene proved it because it is either a Starfleet thing or a real life military thing but the XO is the conduit between the crew and the Captain. So it was really good for her to be all like 'Chris we need to get him off the ship.' But it was all too late... So first off +Because I do love how this scene does really highlight the themes of the episode. And the reveal the it was M'Benga who killed those Klingons trying to get at the General while he fled and the further revelation that it wasn't his men who went rogue but that it was he who gave the order (something I appreciated because of the Trek Culture review the full implications of), I did not see this coming but it makes perfect sense. -The Huge down of the episode though. So here we go this is where I could've missed it. But seems that M'Benga just straight up murdered Rah and then Chapel covered it up. And the thing that makes me double down on this is during the testimony it really seemed like they were saying that the knife was Rahs's so they basically said that he started a fight with M'Benga and then got stabbed with his own knife. That is certainly the implication they got. And I know I have talked a lot about how people from the future shouldn't be perfect and Star Trek has done a bad job of that in an ironic sense...but I really don't think that would include murdering an ambassador and then covering it up.
In a more general sense though this episode still was great for the themes it dealt with and how it went about it. First off again in how no one was really right here. Pike's idealism flying in the face of reality. Because they are legitimatley both right, imo, you should have a second chance to redeam yourself. But M'Benga is right to because you still have to make up for your actions and you shouldn't get grace when based on a lie. Which does make the General seem really sus even if he was legitimatley trying to redeam himself. But this speaks to the constant flaw of the Federation and their idealism. This is something that will bit them in the 24th century. Just the need to do peace no matter what and no matter what the cost. Just who cares if this general is a possible war criminal that did a whole lot of crap...he may've defected in a fit of pique and will be a great bridge between us and the Klingons! Great! We won't care about how this will effect our people, oh no.
And the other thing I liked is that M'Benga and Rah's is so perfectly mirrored for one another. The good Doctor who is from a very peaceful society, a society of explorers and diplomats and scientists, is so repulsed by the evil he sees...the horror...him, and Chapel, and Ortegas...that they turn into monsters. He probably murders a diplomatic official of another race! But meanwhile a Klingon General, someone who is known for honor and war making and being a warrior race...is so repulsed by the events of the Klingon War...that HIS reaction is to defect and become an advocate for peace. And we're too believe from the exposition a very good one. So yeah another episode I am going to have to spend a long time thinking about and making up my mind on exactly how much I dislike, and like certain parts of it.
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 1, 2023 16:26:25 GMT
Well, first of all, I think it was a really good idea to put this very serious episode in between the comedic last one and the presumably also very lighthearted episode next week. Good choice. Now, for the episode itself, I myself am not a veteran. I have never been close to anything like war, so I can only look at this from an imagined perspective but I think it would be interesting to get someone's perspective on this, who has really been traumatized by having been in combat. This is what this episode really explores. I think it does it well but again, I don't really feel qualified to fully judge its merits there. - On colfoley 's point on Ortegas. I didn't perceive her as racist as such. She - like M'Benga and Chapel - is also just still very traumatized by the events of the war. It really isn't that long ago for them and I could understand that she is still prejudiced against the former enemy. These feelings are hard to just shed, I'd imagine. Also note that she never talks about Klingons as a whole but about very specific people or situations (Rah in the scene on the bridge and the battlecry druing the war in the dinner scene). Her problem clearly stems from the events she witnessed during the war rather then some general racist mindset. I think she (together with Chapel and to some extent M'Benga of course) is meant to be a mirror image for traumatized war veterans in the real world today. Her behavior during the dinner may have been "unprofessional" but honestly, I thought it was more unprofessional to put her and the two other into that situation at the dinner in the first place. Pike says it was kind of a request from higher up in the chain of command but honestly, if he is the "dad of the crew" and if he is that empathetic, he should have denied that in the first place. Even to me (and I don't consider myself an overly empathetic person) it was very clear that this would end in some form of disaster. Ironically, this is about the first Trek episode ever, where I thought it would actually be useful to have a professional councilor on board. - The dinner was a pretty nice callback to The Undiscovered Country though. - Spock's and Chapel's interactions were top notch IMO. I would have totally been Spock in this episode, with a hard time finding the right way to deal with the situation. - The flashback scenes also reminded me immediately of The Siege of AR-558, definitely some of the darkest ST has gone since DS9. They were mostly well put together, though I thought it was a bit weird to always see explosions on the same structure in the background. Ah well, maybe it was a priority target or something. - I am not sure how on board I am with M'Benga being both, an incredible doctor and a former black ops/special forces commando with the most kills ever or something.. Both are extremely demanding professions with very different skillsets and even gifted people can spend a lifetime in each. And apparently, he's enough of an engineer to come up with this transporter buffer storage idea all by himself as well. Oh, and on top, he also was a family man at the time he learned all of this somehow. He became quite a bit of a Mary Sue there, they gotta be careful with that. - As for the fight in the end: I think they kept it ambiguous deliberately. I was surprised Trek Culture was complaining about showing the fight through frosted glass, I thought it was an interesting decision. I doubt they'll bring this point up in the future again, the matter is probably done with (and that's fine), I just think it was a neat idea to leave some interpretation of this up to the audience. We are not 100% clear if it was self defense or murder. That ambiguity will stay with the character of M'Benga for quite some time now for the audience and I think that was exactly the desired effect. - On the Pike-M'Benga conversation and the philosophical question they raise, I think I have a very definite stance on the matter: Pike is correct here, that people should get a chance to atone for their mistakes. However, it needs to be based on facing the truth of whatever the problem is. That was Rah's mistake, he based his attempt to make up for his regrets on a lie (and it was Starfleet's mistake as well for letting him get away with it for their own gains). Had the truth about Rah been known, he would probably be imprisoned for war crimes at this point and not an honored ambassador. Sure, the Federation would have lost an asset but the victims of hos actions (like Chapel and M'Benga particularly) would have gotten a sense of closure and justice and this entire situation would have been avoided. All in all, from my perspective it was a harrowing but very good episode. Now I am very curious but also very skeptical about next week. I am not a musical guy at all, so I am bracing for an episode I am not gonna be a fan of. But hey, this show has surprised before, so benefit of the doubt it is.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 2, 2023 4:39:22 GMT
Well, first of all, I think it was a really good idea to put this very serious episode in between the comedic last one and the presumably also very lighthearted episode next week. Good choice. Now, for the episode itself, I myself am not a veteran. I have never been close to anything like war, so I can only look at this from an imagined perspective but I think it would be interesting to get someone's perspective on this, who has really been traumatized by having been in combat. This is what this episode really explores. I think it does it well but again, I don't really feel qualified to fully judge its merits there. - On colfoley 's point on Ortegas. I didn't perceive her as racist as such. She - like M'Benga and Chapel - is also just still very traumatized by the events of the war. It really isn't that long ago for them and I could understand that she is still prejudiced against the former enemy. These feelings are hard to just shed, I'd imagine. Also note that she never talks about Klingons as a whole but about very specific people or situations (Rah in the scene on the bridge and the battlecry druing the war in the dinner scene). Her problem clearly stems from the events she witnessed during the war rather then some general racist mindset. I think she (together with Chapel and to some extent M'Benga of course) is meant to be a mirror image for traumatized war veterans in the real world today. Her behavior during the dinner may have been "unprofessional" but honestly, I thought it was more unprofessional to put her and the two other into that situation at the dinner in the first place. Pike says it was kind of a request from higher up in the chain of command but honestly, if he is the "dad of the crew" and if he is that empathetic, he should have denied that in the first place. Even to me (and I don't consider myself an overly empathetic person) it was very clear that this would end in some form of disaster. Ironically, this is about the first Trek episode ever, where I thought it would actually be useful to have a professional councilor on board. - The dinner was a pretty nice callback to The Undiscovered Country though. - Spock's and Chapel's interactions were top notch IMO. I would have totally been Spock in this episode, with a hard time finding the right way to deal with the situation. - The flashback scenes also reminded me immediately of The Siege of AR-558, definitely some of the darkest ST has gone since DS9. They were mostly well put together, though I thought it was a bit weird to always see explosions on the same structure in the background. Ah well, maybe it was a priority target or something. - I am not sure how on board I am with M'Benga being both, an incredible doctor and a former black ops/special forces commando with the most kills ever or something.. Both are extremely demanding professions with very different skillsets and even gifted people can spend a lifetime in each. And apparently, he's enough of an engineer to come up with this transporter buffer storage idea all by himself as well. Oh, and on top, he also was a family man at the time he learned all of this somehow. He became quite a bit of a Mary Sue there, they gotta be careful with that. - As for the fight in the end: I think they kept it ambiguous deliberately. I was surprised Trek Culture was complaining about showing the fight through frosted glass, I thought it was an interesting decision. I doubt they'll bring this point up in the future again, the matter is probably done with (and that's fine), I just think it was a neat idea to leave some interpretation of this up to the audience. We are not 100% clear if it was self defense or murder. That ambiguity will stay with the character of M'Benga for quite some time now for the audience and I think that was exactly the desired effect. - On the Pike-M'Benga conversation and the philosophical question they raise, I think I have a very definite stance on the matter: Pike is correct here, that people should get a chance to atone for their mistakes. However, it needs to be based on facing the truth of whatever the problem is. That was Rah's mistake, he based his attempt to make up for his regrets on a lie (and it was Starfleet's mistake as well for letting him get away with it for their own gains). Had the truth about Rah been known, he would probably be imprisoned for war crimes at this point and not an honored ambassador. Sure, the Federation would have lost an asset but the victims of hos actions (like Chapel and M'Benga particularly) would have gotten a sense of closure and justice and this entire situation would have been avoided. All in all, from my perspective it was a harrowing but very good episode. Now I am very curious but also very skeptical about next week. I am not a musical guy at all, so I am bracing for an episode I am not gonna be a fan of. But hey, this show has surprised before, so benefit of the doubt it is. I guess I need to just stop doing the whole 'for lack of a better term' when it comes to Racism because I do not believe that Erica is a racist per se though she was certainly using some...'paint with a broad brush'...logic here to. Which does highlight a point between knee jerk racism and sort of deep in your core racism, Erica was exhibiting more of the former I guess. There was a great moment in the argument with Uhurha where Ortegas opens her mouth to say something, stops, kind of laughs for a second, and then moves on like she realized she was about to make a very bad argument, a very un Starfleet one, and its just phenmonal acting on the part of Melissa Navi. She has these experiences and they are effecting her but she also knows enough to realize that this stuff could be base and knee jerk stuff. Ugh I feel like I'm doing a horirble job of explaining things but I do still like this and don't think that she was being a racist ultimatley lets just put it that way.
As for M'Benga I am a bit torn on this aspect because as I mentioned him and Chapel being super soldiers out of nowhere in the first episode felt really...bad. Now I then came to the conclusion that they would then go and expand on how this happened in a later episode and then this became the obvious episode...and they did...but it was still conveyed through after the fact exposition. On the one hand I do like it because it is still an explanation and it makes M'Benga fairly unique in the Star Trek universe. I do like the theoretical concept of Doctors who are still Doctors but yet can also handle themselves in a fight, like Bashir, so to see this come up in M'Benga is a fairly unique concept...especially since I also criticized him as being the one weird legacy character that they included here. So giving him something new and unique, a sort of Doctor Death, could really work and thre is an element that does work as I mentioned. But on the flip side it does not work because the timeline seems a little on the weird side. Its established that he A. started off as a Doctor. Then B. became a Spec Ops hand to hand specialist then C. was so horrified he tried being a Doctor again. I am 99% sure what all of his conversations with the Ensign and the Andorian leads us to. Joined Starfleet to kill and found out he was good at killing. But that is an awful lot to happen in 1 year of time. I think what would've been better had M'Benga developped this drug that gave spec ops an advantage and soldiers, he gets horrified by it so he promises to not develop it and destroys all knowledge on it...but at the end seeing the horrors of war decides to take a batch he makes for himself which lets him do his thing. Still has the problem of having an untrained man being a bad ass BUT it does give him actual motivation to do the things he did and it makes a lot more sense for his background.
Though I guess that would kind of then limit the whole impact from the final murder scene. Though yes, I do agree that them making it frosted really helped. Because that does add enough doubt in my mind where I am pretty sure I knew what happened but yet there is that doubt in the back of my head thanks to the ambiguity which made the 'down' really hard to write.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 3, 2023 6:21:44 GMT
Picard and Upgrade (2018) spoilers. PicS3 specifically. I've been meaning to watch Upgrade for a while now. Been told it's good, but a bit rough. Which basically tracks. I haven't been in the mood to watch it. Finally was tonight. (Only took a few years... ) Going forth I'm assuming you've seen the movie cause this is a literally-last-minute-of-the-movie spoiler... It's Borg Euphoria in movie-form. The guy takes enough PTSD to finally accept living in a lie and Stem runs his body from therein. Fascinating.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 3, 2023 20:47:00 GMT
SNW 2-9 Don't care for musicals, was fun but not really my thing. All good though, I imagine a lot people liked it?
I did not expect Kirk to pull La'ans heart out her chest then throw baby-shaped salt in the wound. Ouch.
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 4, 2023 2:19:46 GMT
So here it is, the musical episode. I am not a musical guy either, so I have a hard time judging the quality of that part. IMO, you can tell the Celia Rose Gooding is the one with the most distinct musical background in the cast, her song was by far the best IMO but whatever, as I said, I am not an expert at all. The plot to make it all happen was exactly as absurd as I expected but that's fine. There were some good bits: - I loved the way depicting Uhura handling communications in the very beginning of the episode. I think they shouldn't have made it so this is a special situation but just said it's just a busy day but in principle this is what her job looks like. But still, I think it was great. Uhura's job never got recognition as it was (to the point where in TNG Worf just did it as hobby ), so finally seeing how much multitasking is involved was a delight. - I liked the first song, where they all sing their station reports to Pike and while singing everyone just looks totally befuddled, that did get a smile out of me. - Liked the opening credtis with the a Capella theme. - I really like how they resolved the Kirk-La'an situation. Yes, it was hard on La'an but kudos to Kirk for putting it all in the right words. The reference to Carol Marcus was genious, I did not have that on my radar at all until now. Well done writers. On the particularly bad side I have two points: - The way they dealt with the Klingon's singing. I think they should either have given them Klingon opera, DS9 style (might have been too much of a weird reference for new audiences though) or - and this would have been my preference - give them a deep male chorus kinda song. I am thinking Skyrim Theme style. The way it happened was ... weird. - I was disappointed that the final song was just the Enterprise crew and the Klingons. It would have been way cooler if they had had to connect in the entire fleet, maybe even Earth and we see shots of everyone on other Starships and e.g. at Starfleet headquarters participate. If you gonna go big, BO BIG! Probably wasn't in the budget but still, a shame. Anyway, not much more to say about this episode for me. On the season as a whole, as much as I appreciate them experimenting, I think 2 weird episodes out of ten (the LD-Crossover and this) is a bit much. I wouldn't have minded if they had kept this one for S3 honestly. Last season only had one that was really absurd (the one with the children's story getting real) and that was fine. I guess we can certainly expect 1-2 of these outlier episodes per season on SNW, which is fine (1 better than 2) but please, don't make it more than that.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 4, 2023 2:43:25 GMT
On the season as a whole, as much as I appreciate them experimenting, I think 2 weird episodes out of ten (the LD-Crossover and this) is a bit much. Kind of agree with you. 10 episode seasons don't leave a lot of room. Oh well, lots of great eps regardless.
Reminded me, end scene of 2-9... Got the impression Batel's "Priority One" mission is either going to need saving, or avenging. Be something if her death starts off a Gorn War they've been teasing.
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 4, 2023 3:01:10 GMT
On the season as a whole, as much as I appreciate them experimenting, I think 2 weird episodes out of ten (the LD-Crossover and this) is a bit much. Kind of agree with you. 10 episode seasons don't leave a lot of room. Oh well, lots of great eps regardless.
Reminded me, end scene of 2-9... Got the impression Batel's "Priority One" mission is either going to need saving, or avenging. Be something if her death starts off a Gorn War they've been teasing.
Just watched the Ready Room and the preview clip for next week and you are correct on the saving or avenging part. Which one of those it'll be is not clear yet.
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Non-spoiler review. We are musical fans and we liked it. A lot.
And the Klingons were funny.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 4, 2023 8:12:26 GMT
About the season length its kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't at this point.
On the one hand the format has shown some promise in general and for SNWs in particular. Over on the SEAL Team front the series actually made the transition from television to streaming, so 20 ish episodes to a 14 episode 5th season (the first four episodes were shown on TV) and then a 10 episode 6th season. And for that show despite some skepticsm on my part the quality of the show really went up. Which while we don't have the transition to compare to SNWs seems to provide high quality entertainment. Not just in terms of sfx and visuals but in actual story writing and the like. Game of Thrones also demonstrated this as well that ten episodes could be quite the fertile ground for quality entertainment.
Yet on the SNWs front there is a definite problem with giving these characters balance and giving them enough screen time. Its a somewhat constant complaint that these episodes often don't focus on these characters to a great degree. Two seasons in and we really haven't had an Ortegas episode still despite her being hella charasmatic. And several of these characters just dissapear for episodes at a time...which is a lot more noticable when you get 10 episodes instead of 20+. And to be fair this is also something that Trek did struggle with back in the day even with 26 episode seasons (especially Voyager and Enterprise) so maybe its just a franchise problem. *shrug*
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 4, 2023 18:53:23 GMT
About the season length its kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't at this point. On the one hand the format has shown some promise in general and for SNWs in particular. Over on the SEAL Team front the series actually made the transition from television to streaming, so 20 ish episodes to a 14 episode 5th season (the first four episodes were shown on TV) and then a 10 episode 6th season. And for that show despite some skepticsm on my part the quality of the show really went up. Which while we don't have the transition to compare to SNWs seems to provide high quality entertainment. Not just in terms of sfx and visuals but in actual story writing and the like. Game of Thrones also demonstrated this as well that ten episodes could be quite the fertile ground for quality entertainment. Yet on the SNWs front there is a definite problem with giving these characters balance and giving them enough screen time. Its a somewhat constant complaint that these episodes often don't focus on these characters to a great degree. Two seasons in and we really haven't had an Ortegas episode still despite her being hella charasmatic. And several of these characters just dissapear for episodes at a time...which is a lot more noticable when you get 10 episodes instead of 20+. And to be fair this is also something that Trek did struggle with back in the day even with 26 episode seasons (especially Voyager and Enterprise) so maybe its just a franchise problem. *shrug* I don't mind the 10 episode seasons. I agree with you that it helps with the quality of both SFX and writing, (maybe even acting if the shooting schedule is not quite as tight as it used to be).
And I actually think SNW does a really good job showing all the characters. I'd say Ortegas definitely had it worst so far and we still didn't get our "Ortegas episode" but even her, I feel I know pretty ok by now and everyone else has had their moments to shine. That's pretty good for such a huge cast of main characters, I think. Definitely better than Discovery, where things tended to focus a lot on Burnham and maybe Saru (but mostly Burnham). In SNW, I feel that everyone is contributing in almost every episode, which is great.
And as you said, the old ST series had similar problems, like the ladies (Crusher and Troi) in TNG, Chacotay and Kes in Voyager or Sato and Mayweather in ENT. Really, I think the last ST show that had that much balance to the character contributions was probably DS9.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 6, 2023 19:15:54 GMT
Couple non-canon answers to a question I've wondered about.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 8, 2023 11:42:33 GMT
Subspace Rhapsady...was an episode. Just trying to get my thoughts all in line here because I actually have a lot of them to say. The weird thing is forget which show I came up with this *rule* is but either Arrow, or Game of Thrones, or Discovery, all fine shows but...I like ranking things and having strong opinions but intellectually I know that ranking a show in the middle of a show and how it compares to other shows is a fool's errand. Because you can have such varying quality in episode to episode or season to season. Like Discovery got off to a REALLY strong start for me with the Klingon arc, then the rest of season 1 was weak. Pike was amazing in season 2 but season 2 had its oddities and then season 3 was a bit weak and other things I gave up on it for the moment... All this to say Strange New Worlds has been off to an incredible start every single episode in some ways seems to be getting *better* then the last...and the fact is I hate musicals, I had low expectations for this episode, I was nervous to start this episode. But the fact is, imo, they did this musical episode and it didn't suck speaks volumes of the quality of the writing team and the actors. Because this episode had a lot of character growth, a lot of good moments, and surprisingly a lot of heart. So yeah Strange New Worlds may really be catching up to DS9/ Voy for my favorite Trek series. This show is amazing. Anyways, ups and down style. -Its a musical. Yeah I know despite what I said and this might be a bit of a petty and very me thing but I do not like musicals and this episode reminded me of some of the reasons why. Now I like music just fine in the right context it can inspire emotion just I have trouble hearing lyrics at times so during some of these songs I was busy trying to understand/ read the subtitles for the lyrics rather then pay attention to the episode and connect the plot. I know very *me* perhaps but this is kind of a weakness of the genre because you can convey the same drama with just words. -Kirk's introduction was a little weird. Only way I can say it. And I get it La'an/ Christina Chong was adorible in how she acted. But it just was verrryyy weird to me that it almost seemed like La'an was acting like this was the first time she met this version of Kirk. Crisis situation so I do get that there was not a lot of time to discuss these deep issues but still they did meet in a previous episode. +Paul Wesley as Kirk. Damn. Another great moment and he was a little odd at first but each appearance as actual Kirk has just been even better then before and he is just fitting into now the terrific trimvriate of actors who have taken on this role. Loved Chris Pine. William Shatner of course had his issues but still the original template. And now Paul Wesley. +Anson Mount can sing. He can cook. He can clean. He is carrying and emphathetic, seriously, what can't he do? +La'an. Going to start calling her 'my little Klingon' now. Don't think we got as much of Christina Chong this season as last season which was weird because some of it was front loaded... but she is just so fierce and that thing she was doing with her mouth just reminds me of a Klingon. +Ethan Peck, Jess Bush, Rebbecca Romjin, the little we get of him M'Benga...all terrific singing voices. -The two weakest songs of the episode both belonged to Una. Really the only two I fully didn't dislike and it was just uber cringe the one about the secrets in the ready room just...oof. +On the other hand most of the rest of the singing and songs are pretty good despite things. -Nurse Chapel. Been thinking about this one a lot to see if this is another weird thing for me or something more legitimate. And boy did she do Spock dirty. I think the intent of the writer's would have been to mirror the Spock/ T'pring issues and Spock not telling T'Pring as in Chapel not telling Spock but it just does not work because there is no logic about this. So she decides to go and tell a lot of other people and celebrate with them instead of Spock...this is low. I know that Chapel had that big episode in season 1 where she was like "I am a modern liberated women" thing where she admits to not wanting to be tied down in a relationship (though then marries Corby pretty soon) and we get also know that Spock is going to go all Vulcan later on but this beign the reason my heart breaks for the guy because I've enjoyed seeing this experiment with emotion he has had. And perfect acting on Ethan Pecks part to demonstrate just how betrayed he is. You did him dirty...which is kind of the point of the episode. +This became a real threat. I do low key love that this very weird episode ended up becoming a universal threat. +Trek Culture made me think of this too after the fact but it does work. La'an seemed to be the crux of this episode in what she was trying to deal with. Being alone and trying to deal with her things alone instead of as a team. +The finale. Ah connection thing comes up again. THe one thing that new Trek just keeps on hammering over and over again and it works because each time it seems to just get better and better. Because this episode was kind of off putting. Kirk was singing about being alone. La'an about being alone and not wanting to open herself up and be free. Uhurha does likewise about how isolated. Pike and Batel have relationship troubles. Spock and Chapel have BIG relationship issues so fun but it seemed so contrary. I think it was during the Uhurha song that I was like 'but you are a part of the crew'. But then I realized where they were going and by and large they really stuck the landing. Only nit pick was when Kirk was all like 'if I make Captain it'll be because of you'. And other big nitpick I also wish the rest of the Federation got some bits here. Show Batel singing at the very least as part of 'protect our mission' as well as some background extras of her crew AND if you wanted to go for Robert April. But the blessed bit was the Klingon K Pop which looked super cringe and kind of was...was also really short when I was watching it. THough dancing K'Tingas was also a win.
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Post by mousestalker on Aug 8, 2023 13:37:28 GMT
^We disagree, and that's fine. I didn't stop laughing for minutes after this: Everyone needs singing Klingons. I love that Strange New Worlds is not afraid to take chances and commit to things. Especially since I think the finale will be pretty dark. I have a bad feeling for Captain Batel. Here follows some speculation: The priority mission she's heading off on could lead to her and her ship's doom. If James Kirk remains on board the Enterprise to continue shadowing Number One, then that would explain why he survives and Batel does not. We haven't really seen nor heard about the Gorn this season and it's time for them to pop back up. They have been built up to be a serious threat and it would make sense for them to show why that is so.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 8, 2023 16:57:26 GMT
The priority mission she's heading off on could lead to her and her ship's doom. If James Kirk remains on board the Enterprise to continue shadowing Number One, then that would explain why he survives and Batel does not. we haven't really seen nor heard about the Gorn this season and it's time for them to pop back up. They hve been built up to be a serious threat and it would make sense for them to show why that is so. /agree Good catch on Kirk staying with them. I try to avoid all spoilers so I don't watch Ready Room/etc and I don't even watch the trailer for the episode next week; it's all just hunches for me but it tracks on a lot of levels. Unfortunately. I like Melanie Scrofano. Now I wonder if the memory episode wasn't just showing us "Bad Pike" but foreshadowing an increasingly darker Pike next season, and Batel's death is what really sets it off. Feck. I don't want the season to end already!
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Post by colfoley on Aug 10, 2023 1:47:26 GMT
THis song has been stuck in my head all the live long dag nab day.
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