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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 4, 2017 22:23:48 GMT
Which is exactly what I was trying to say. The grand total of DA2 is seven years. The years after when Cass grabs Varric don't count. The game it's self IS seven years. Not Ten. I disagree because I don't count only the playable time (running around as Hawke), which you apparently do. So we'll just have to leave it at that.
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Post by midnightwolf on Oct 4, 2017 22:32:37 GMT
Which is exactly what I was trying to say. The grand total of DA2 is seven years. The years after when Cass grabs Varric don't count. The game it's self IS seven years. Not Ten. I disagree because I don't count only the playable time (running around as Hawke), which you apparently do. So we'll just have to leave it at that. I count the time he and his family arrived in Kirkwall in 9.30 Dragon. Plus events which happened that we didn't see, right up to the Chantry explosion in 9.37 Dragon. That is the official Bioware timeline FOR Dragon age 2. By the time Cass interrogates Varric, DA2 is over and Hawke is long gone. So it = it isn't part of the game.
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Post by sageoflife on Oct 4, 2017 22:43:27 GMT
This is seriously a debate?
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Post by midnightwolf on Oct 4, 2017 22:48:40 GMT
This is seriously a debate? Some of us taking virtual whoring seriously. I jest!
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Post by phoray on Oct 4, 2017 22:51:59 GMT
This is seriously a debate? Despite the title of the thread, it wasn't actually about Brothels vs no Brothels.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 4, 2017 22:58:59 GMT
Existence or lack of brothels causes erratic time fluctuations. Don't you know?
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Post by midnightwolf on Oct 4, 2017 23:00:09 GMT
This is seriously a debate? Despite the title of the thread, it wasn't actually about Brothels vs no Brothels. Yet you kept it anyway.......
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Post by phoray on Oct 4, 2017 23:02:28 GMT
Despite the title of the thread, it wasn't actually about Brothels vs no Brothels. Yet you kept it anyway....... The tweet, specifically references brothels, sparked a commentary on the Twitter thread about what the Lack of Brothels COULD MEAN. If you'd read other people comments, or hell, even the OP, you would have seen that. It's hardly irrelevant
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Post by midnightwolf on Oct 4, 2017 23:09:14 GMT
Yet you kept it anyway....... The tweet, specifically references brothels, sparked a commentary on the Twitter thread about what the Lack of Brothels COULD MEAN. If you'd read other people comments, or hell, even the OP, you would have seen that. It's hardly irrelevant Touchy aren't we love. I happened to like your OP. So how about you calm down and stop trying to make everyone else the bad guy?
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Post by phoray on Oct 4, 2017 23:26:45 GMT
The tweet, specifically references brothels, sparked a commentary on the Twitter thread about what the Lack of Brothels COULD MEAN. If you'd read other people comments, or hell, even the OP, you would have seen that. It's hardly irrelevant Touchy aren't we love. I happened to like your OP. So how about you calm down and stop trying to make everyone else the bad guy? You kinda accused me of keeping the Thread Title to get attention. But I'm a reader of "in between the lines" with a sensitivity for gas lighting. If what I took from your initial comment was incorrect, as you seem to be saying now, then I apologize.
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Post by midnightwolf on Oct 4, 2017 23:35:18 GMT
Touchy aren't we love. I happened to like your OP. So how about you calm down and stop trying to make everyone else the bad guy? You kinda accused me of keeping the Thread Title to get attention. But I'm a reader of "in between the lines" with a sensitivity for gas lighting. If what I took from your initial comment was incorrect, as you seem to be saying now, then I apologize. If I did that, then I apologize. It certainly wasn't my intention to make you feel bad or accuse you.
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Post by blastoandbubin on Oct 4, 2017 23:54:27 GMT
I don't think the lack of brothels is necessarily a sign that DA4 will be overly sanitized, nor do I think brothels are necessary to make a setting seem sufficiently dark and gritty. The Dishonored series is a really good example of this: both Dunwall and Karnaca, the cities in DH1 and DH2, respectively, were incredibly dark and sinister in tone. Poverty, the decadence of the wealthy, disease, corruption, and the mundane evil of men were running themes and they were incredibly effectively deployed through the design, the major and minor npcs, and the stories themselves. The first game had a brothel, the Golden Cat, and it was very well done IMO. You couldn't, ahem, partake of the services but it had a great mission set in it and it was well-integrated into the setting. If DA did bring back brothels, that's more what I'd like them to be, rather than just a mostly useless place the player can go to hear some bad jokes and get the all-important FtB. On the other hand, the second game didn't have a brothel, IIRC, but that didn't make the city itself feel any less decayed or dangerous, and I didn't even notice it's absence.
All that said, DAI did seem to be more sanitized than previous entries, for lack of a better word. Or at least, things were left much more to the imagination, IMO. I do hope they make a better attempt at making the world feel more alive, with the ugly parts as well as the good, instead of shuffling everything off into codex entries and player inference. But I don't think a brothel or whatever is necessary to achieve that, at least not from what I've seen. The great thing about Dishonored is that Dunwall in particular was almost it's own character, it had such a distinct presence, and I'd love for the team to be able to achieve even half that level of atmosphere with Minrathous, brothel or not. After Val Royeaux, however, I'm a little doubtful :/
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Post by naughtynomad on Oct 5, 2017 0:12:29 GMT
There's no point arguing - if someone tries to make "ugly women" an example of the franchise "getting more PC" it's an automatic sign that we're not dealing with a reasonable individual. Yes, because when you brush away the issues because they dont fit your worldview that makes you reasonable, right? You don't even realize how blind you are. Ignorance is bliss.
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Post by sageoflife on Oct 5, 2017 0:19:40 GMT
If a person's only complaint is that female characters aren't pornstars, how big could their issues possibly be?
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Post by Lazarillo on Oct 5, 2017 0:21:25 GMT
There's no point arguing - if someone tries to make "ugly women" an example of the franchise "getting more PC" it's an automatic sign that we're not dealing with a reasonable individual. Yes, because when you brush away the issues because they dont fit your worldview that makes you reasonable, right? You don't even realize how blind you are. Ignorance is bliss. I think it's more that DA characters have never not been ugly.
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Post by naughtynomad on Oct 5, 2017 0:22:43 GMT
If a person's only complaint is that female characters aren't pornstars, how big could their issues possibly be? That was neither a complaint nor the only issue presented. It shows a lack of an ability to effectively debate an argument when you choose to focus on the one aspect you think you can score points on and dismiss the rest. But midnighttea has constantly proved he's a close minded bigot to things that don't fit his worldview.
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Post by sageoflife on Oct 5, 2017 0:26:42 GMT
If a person's only complaint is that female characters aren't pornstars, how big could their issues possibly be? That was neither a complaint nor the only issue presented. It shows a lack of an ability to effectively debate an argument when you choose to focus on the one aspect you think you can score points on and dismiss the rest. But midnighttea has constantly proved he's a close minded bigot to things that don't fit his worldview. Right, because the argument that gay people exist, oh noes, is so serious and credible.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 5, 2017 0:35:22 GMT
If a person's only complaint is that female characters aren't pornstars, how big could their issues possibly be? That was neither a complaint nor the only issue presented. It shows a lack of an ability to effectively debate an argument when you choose to focus on the one aspect you think you can score points on and dismiss the rest. But midnighttea has constantly proved he's a close minded bigot to things that don't fit his worldview. The reason people focus on it is because it breaks all levels of stupid and shallow - nevermind that other arguments weren't any better or even accurate. Plus - among your 'arguments' you've stated that the inclusion of 'fully gay/lesbian' and trans characters is a mark of creeping political correctness. So if you want to see a close-minded bigot hiding in this thread, go look in the mirror instead of psychologically projecting at others. You're not worth any more of my time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 0:55:49 GMT
If a person's only complaint is that female characters aren't pornstars, how big could their issues possibly be? That was neither a complaint nor the only issue presented. It shows a lack of an ability to effectively debate an argument when you choose to focus on the one aspect you think you can score points on and dismiss the rest. But midnighttea has constantly proved he's a close minded bigot to things that don't fit his worldview. Dude, if you're going to argue about closemindedness, at least get the gender of the person you're yelling at right and not assume they're a guy.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 5, 2017 1:14:00 GMT
That was neither a complaint nor the only issue presented. It shows a lack of an ability to effectively debate an argument when you choose to focus on the one aspect you think you can score points on and dismiss the rest. But midnighttea has constantly proved he's a close minded bigot to things that don't fit his worldview. Dude, if you're going to argue about closemindedness, at least the the gender of the person you're yelling at right and not assume they're a guy. Oh, but don't you know? There Are No Girls on the Internet Either way, I can't say I care. Judging from opinions and attitude on display nobody will be losing much from me tuning out this person and not engaging in further exchange.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 5, 2017 1:15:21 GMT
Dude, if you're going to argue about closemindedness, at least the the gender of the person you're yelling at right and not assume they're a guy. Oh, but don't you know? There Are No Girls on the Internet Either way, I can't say I care. Judging from opinions and attitude on display nobody will be losing much from me tuning out this person and not engaging in further exchange. GIRL = Guy In Real LIfe
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Post by river82 on Oct 5, 2017 1:39:14 GMT
Seems like Bioware are playing things quite safe currently. Doesn't really worry me but that's what this "no brothel" announcement reinforces in my mind.
But there are much bigger issues for me to focus on, I very much hope they're stepping right back from open-world design for example.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 5, 2017 2:08:00 GMT
You can take away the brothel, but you can never take away the dick jokes.
So sayeth Blackwall. And Sera. And Bull.
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Post by river82 on Oct 5, 2017 2:18:01 GMT
You can take away the brothel, but you can never take away the dick jokes. So sayeth Blackwall. And Sera. And Bull. Poor substitute, though
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 5, 2017 2:35:20 GMT
You can take away the brothel, but you can never take away the dick jokes. So sayeth Blackwall. And Sera. And Bull. Poor substitute, though You get your jollies either way, but one's free. I know which tree I'm barking up. :sure:
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