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Post by naughtynomad on Oct 7, 2017 7:29:11 GMT
The need to protect the delicate wimminz. Maybe they could replace brothels with Tevinter beauty saloons? Nice and relaxing. That's what they do in Vietnam. No brothels allowed here according to the law. But you walk into a "beauty salon" or "massage parlor" and they are pretty open about what services are actually on offer.
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Post by naughtynomad on Oct 7, 2017 7:33:45 GMT
Seriously, you need to get over being so triggered by Bioware and creating conspiracy theories about them. It'd be good for your health. When you need to tell someone to "stop being so triggered" it's clear that you're the one who is actually triggered. Lol re-read your own posts and follow your own advice. Take a deep breath. And ask yourself why you're so fundamentally opposed to something that is obvious to the rest of us? The answer is simple. You find the new direction suits your own tastes, so you try to ignore the opposing view point because you don't want the status quo to change even if they are in the right. Just like Dotard's supporters. I have serious question for you. Have you even played DAO? And if you have, did you play it before or after Inquisition or DA2?
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Post by davesin on Oct 7, 2017 8:02:54 GMT
As for the brothels - there are several reasons to have them if it makes sense in the setting: 1) An interesting place for side-quests (investigation, cloaks and daggers, plotting... I mean, where else do you want to plan regicide?) 2) They can look pretty. (Ah, Blooming Rose...) 3) Eye-candy (for both men and women, hopefuly) 4) My personal reason: I want to own brothel and use it as my headquarters in DA4 As for the rest of the (mostly off-) topic: I think DAI failed to deliver something Origins and DA2 delivered almost perfectly - emotions. And they did it well because NPCs actually resembled people. I felt the pain of all those people, I felt pity for them. In Inquisition... meh. NPCs are more static than ever before, they don't have much of personality, half of them have covered heads (bloody Orleasians) and conversation camera angle doesn't help either. I mean, I remember dozens of NPCs from previous games. They moved during a conversation. They smiled, screamed, whined. In Inquisition... meh, they just stand still. They're just background decoration. An elven woman whose husband was killed by Templars would be a dark theme, but dialogue and animations takes that away.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 7, 2017 9:09:53 GMT
The only game that showed sex scenes is Andromeda and Inquisition doesn't really count they're just getting makes and not really showing it like Witcher 3. And BioWare are sugarcoating that kind of thing and not really going for it. So Bioware isn't scared of sex and are getting more explicit as times go on, with their newest game being the most. Thank you for agreeing with me. But Witcher still provided better sex scenes than Andromeda and Inquisition.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 7, 2017 9:11:31 GMT
It occured to me that Darkest Dungeon, a Roguelike that Mike Laidlaw is a fan of, actually utilizes a brothel as a stress relief mechanic. It’s only one of the services offered at the Tavern and you never see of the naughty bits, but it does exist. He’s talked about DD a number of times, but this was his most recent tweet. I wish more games wouldn't be afraid to turn sex into a game mechanic. Skyrim did this as well. Any time you slept in your home's bed while being married, you would receive the Lover's Comfort buff which was the best exp buff. America is just so prude compared to Europe and Asia anymore. Thanks to the Puritans.
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Post by phoray on Oct 7, 2017 12:55:41 GMT
Little late to clarify, but this thread is NOT about explicit nudity. The lack or presence there of does NOT determine maturity or the writers' decision (s) to avoid adult themes. I never wanted Bioware to give a porno. I would actually consider that a total waste of resources. cloud9
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 14:12:44 GMT
If Bio needs to add porn to sell their games, that means they stopped making good games. (Shrug) I really hope they would not stoop so low as to force their staff to do this sort of thing. If that's what a player asking for, I for one is ready to break a rule and say that this player is not really someone whose opinion I am going to take into account or want to be listened to. If one wants porn, there are sites and stores that would oblige. I think BioWARE already traveled too far in that direction in MEA with Jaal.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 7, 2017 14:25:51 GMT
So Bioware isn't scared of sex and are getting more explicit as times go on, with their newest game being the most. Thank you for agreeing with me. But Witcher still provided better sex scenes than Andromeda and Inquisition. That’s debatable. I always found The Witcher’s sex scenes to be kind of corny. DAO and Andromeda’s sex scenes were a little as well, but not quite as bad.
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Post by naughtynomad on Oct 7, 2017 14:27:56 GMT
If Bio needs to add porn to sell their games, that means they stopped making good games. (Shrug) I really hope they would not stoop so low as to force their staff to do this sort of thing. If that's what a player asking for, I for one is ready to break a rule and say that this player is not really someone whose opinion I am going to take into account or want to be listened to. If one wants porn, there are sites and stores that would oblige. I think BioWARE already traveled too far in that direction in MEA with Jaal. As I haven't finished MEA or romanced Jaal I'm not sure what you're referring to, but I will point out that no one is asking for a porno. However, RPGs are popular because they tell a story and put you in the perspective of living a life in a fantasy setting and making decsions the shape the world as you like. Obviously technology limits how far you can go with this, but ideally in the future we could play games where we can virtually do anything we want without preprogrammed options to choose from. That's where games are going, and things like nudity and sex will be there. No one is going to play AAA games just for the sex. But games that include that option are obviously going to be more popular games that don't have that option. It's the same now. People want nudity and sex in the games because they dont want to be limited in their experience. Acting all prudish and saying "If you want sex, go watch a porno" is pretty stupid in my opinion because it completely misses the point being made.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 7, 2017 14:49:28 GMT
But Witcher still provided better sex scenes than Andromeda and Inquisition. That’s debatable. I always found The Witcher’s sex scenes to be kind of corny. DAO and Andromeda’s sex scenes were a little as well, but not quite as bad.
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Post by phoray on Oct 7, 2017 14:52:27 GMT
If Bio needs to add porn to sell their games, that means they stopped making good games. (Shrug) I really hope they would not stoop so low as to force their staff to do this sort of thing. If that's what a player asking for, I for one is ready to break a rule and say that this player is not really someone whose opinion I am going to take into account or want to be listened to. If one wants porn, there are sites and stores that would oblige. I think BioWARE already traveled too far in that direction in MEA with Jaal. And Cora/Peebee! I much prefer the Liam scene of intense make out on couch fade to Black.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 7, 2017 14:52:39 GMT
If Bio needs to add porn to sell their games, that means they stopped making good games. (Shrug) I really hope they would not stoop so low as to force their staff to do this sort of thing. If that's what a player asking for, I for one is ready to break a rule and say that this player is not really someone whose opinion I am going to take into account or want to be listened to. If one wants porn, there are sites and stores that would oblige. I think BioWARE already traveled too far in that direction in MEA with Jaal. As I haven't finished MEA or romanced Jaal I'm not sure what you're referring to, but I will point out that no one is asking for a porno. However, RPGs are popular because they tell a story and put you in the perspective of living a life in a fantasy setting and making decsions the shape the world as you like. Obviously technology limits how far you can go with this, but ideally in the future we could play games where we can virtually do anything we want without preprogrammed options to choose from. That's where games are going, and things like nudity and sex will be there. No one is going to play AAA games just for the sex. But games that include that option are obviously going to be more popular games that don't have that option. It's the same now. People want nudity and sex in the games because they dont want to be limited in their experience. Acting all prudish and saying "If you want sex, go watch a porno" is pretty stupid in my opinion because it completely misses the point being made. Using the phrase, "I dont want to play a porno" is just a strawman used to divert away from the core topic. Similar to how people approach rape references and what not. People cant effectively support their arguments so they use strawmans.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 14:54:12 GMT
Seriously, you need to get over being so triggered by Bioware and creating conspiracy theories about them. It'd be good for your health. When you need to tell someone to "stop being so triggered" it's clear that you're the one who is actually triggered. Lol re-read your own posts and follow your own advice. FFS, it was majesticjazz who complained about fans being triggered, she just used his own words.
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Post by pinkjellybeans on Oct 7, 2017 15:25:53 GMT
If Bio needs to add porn to sell their games, that means they stopped making good games. (Shrug) I really hope they would not stoop so low as to force their staff to do this sort of thing. If that's what a player asking for, I for one is ready to break a rule and say that this player is not really someone whose opinion I am going to take into account or want to be listened to. If one wants porn, there are sites and stores that would oblige. I think BioWARE already traveled too far in that direction in MEA with Jaal. And Cora/Peebee! I much prefer the Liam scene of intense make out on couch fade to Black. I've only played MEA once and I romanced Jaal and I will admit that I was honestly shocked with that particular scene, haha. But it happens right when it fades to black so I didn't really see it as full on porn or anything. I actually thought the whole romance scene with Jaal to be rather intense and passionate and it's probably one of my favorite Bioware's love sequences because of it and not because "oh my God boobies and sex with aliens!". Jaal's romance in general is really good. I have seen Cora's love scene and I was also impressed and shocked at the same time. Didn't think Bioware would ever do something like that. But then again ME's love scenes were always a bit more explicit than DA and it usually involves more than just a fade to black screen. I've actually seen it on this video, which is hilarious because this guy is basically narrating a sex scene and it's awkward as hell but he does have a point. The animations are freaking on point. The way the characters kiss and touch each other, the facial expressions, etc. Again, that last shot before it fades to black might be a bit too much for some, but I don't think it's long enough to be considered as porn and because these scenes are the culmination of endless flirting and pursuing a character. It's a moment where they finally connect physically and emotionally, so if these scenes are done right, I don't have a problem with them being a bit more explicit. I just don't want them to cut content because they spent a ton of resources on something like this. The Cora scene was clearly handmade and honestly, it looks expensive.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 7, 2017 15:26:51 GMT
When you need to tell someone to "stop being so triggered" it's clear that you're the one who is actually triggered. Lol re-read your own posts and follow your own advice. FFS, it was majesticjazz who complained about fans being triggered, she just used his own words. Yeah thats right I said it! The mention of no brothels in DA4 TRIGGERS a primer for many Bioware followers that Bioware is doubling down on their new.....approach to videogames. An approach that wasnt present during DA2 and DAO. It TRIGGERS people because it is less about brothels and more about Bioware feeling comfortable doing things now that they used to do, especially when nobody ever really complained. I do not remember the inclusion of a brothel in DAO to be a major complaint, same with DA2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 15:55:25 GMT
FFS, it was majesticjazz who complained about fans being triggered, she just used his own words. Yeah thats right I said it! The mention of no brothels in DA4 TRIGGERS a primer for many Bioware followers that Bioware is doubling down on their new.....approach to videogames. An approach that wasnt present during DA2 and DAO. It TRIGGERS people because it is less about brothels and more about Bioware feeling comfortable doing things now that they used to do, especially when nobody ever really complained. I do not remember the inclusion of a brothel in DAO to be a major complaint, same with DA2. So you're saying stop being so triggered? Then these words are for you...
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 7, 2017 15:57:05 GMT
Wouldn't putting something into a game be the thing that needed "a reason why"? Apart from building a living and breathing world? I dealt with this in an above post, if you limit your worldbuilding to only what the game/stories require your world will be a 2 dimensional, sucky, POS. Sure, you want lots of diverse stuff. But the number of hypothetical buildings which fit that criterion is quite long. How is this an argument for prioritizing adding a brothel in particular?
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 7, 2017 15:59:00 GMT
Yeah thats right I said it! The mention of no brothels in DA4 TRIGGERS a primer for many Bioware followers that Bioware is doubling down on their new.....approach to videogames. An approach that wasnt present during DA2 and DAO. It TRIGGERS people because it is less about brothels and more about Bioware feeling comfortable doing things now that they used to do, especially when nobody ever really complained. I do not remember the inclusion of a brothel in DAO to be a major complaint, same with DA2. So you're saying stop being so triggered? Then these words are for you... naughtynomad Avatar Oct 7, 2017 0:33:45 GMT -7 naughtynomad said: When you need to tell someone to "stop being so triggered" it's clear that you're the one who is actually triggered. Lol re-read your own posts and follow your own advice. No, I am admitting that many of us are triggered about the lack of brothels cause it signals a primer that DA4 will be the same sanitized and light hearted game as DAI and not like DAO which are the series roots.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 7, 2017 16:12:49 GMT
It's fine to like them, for whatever reason. But their popularity has spurred this need for everything to be like them. And that leads to cheap copies and "dark and gritty for the sake of dark and gritty." I'd argue low fantasy from Martin and Sapkowski has helped invigorate the genre and made it relevant. We wouldn't be talking about fantasy right now without these guys. We'd still be talking about fantasy. Different fantasy, but still fantasy.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 7, 2017 16:18:29 GMT
It occured to me that Darkest Dungeon, a Roguelike that Mike Laidlaw is a fan of, actually utilizes a brothel as a stress relief mechanic. It’s only one of the services offered at the Tavern and you never see of the naughty bits, but it does exist. He’s talked about DD a number of times, but this was his most recent tweet.
I wish more games wouldn't be afraid to turn sex into a game mechanic. Skyrim did this as well. Any time you slept in your home's bed while being married, you would receive the Lover's Comfort buff which was the best exp buff. America is just so prude compared to Europe and Asia anymore.*does a shot*
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 7, 2017 16:18:40 GMT
That’s debatable. I always found The Witcher’s sex scenes to be kind of corny. DAO and Andromeda’s sex scenes were a little as well, but not quite as bad. What’s it with The Witcher and bizarre sex locations? I think I’d rather make out with a genlock than have sex in a rickety-ass boat.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 7, 2017 16:23:05 GMT
If Bio needs to add porn to sell their games, that means they stopped making good games. (Shrug) I really hope they would not stoop so low as to force their staff to do this sort of thing. If that's what a player asking for, I for one is ready to break a rule and say that this player is not really someone whose opinion I am going to take into account or want to be listened to. If one wants porn, there are sites and stores that would oblige. I think BioWARE already traveled too far in that direction in MEA with Jaal.And Peebee and Cora. I mean, if they spent nearly the resources on Peebee's climax scene as they did with Addison's "my face is tired" scene...well, DLC might still have been an option...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 16:30:52 GMT
And Cora/Peebee! I much prefer the Liam scene of intense make out on couch fade to Black. I've only played MEA once and I romanced Jaal and I will admit that I was honestly shocked with that particular scene, haha. But it happens right when it fades to black so I didn't really see it as full on porn or anything. I actually thought the whole romance scene with Jaal to be rather intense and passionate and it's probably one of my favorite Bioware's love sequences because of it and not because "oh my God boobies and sex with aliens!". Jaal's romance in general is really good. I have seen Cora's love scene and I was also impressed and shocked at the same time. Didn't think Bioware would ever do something like that. But then again ME's love scenes were always a bit more explicit than DA and it usually involves more than just a fade to black screen. I've actually seen it on this video, which is hilarious because this guy is basically narrating a sex scene and it's awkward as hell but he does have a point. The animations are freaking on point. The way the characters kiss and touch each other, the facial expressions, etc. Again, that last shot before it fades to black might be a bit too much for some, but I don't think it's long enough to be considered as porn and because these scenes are the culmination of endless flirting and pursuing a character. It's a moment where they finally connect physically and emotionally, so if these scenes are done right, I don't have a problem with them being a bit more explicit. I just don't want them to cut content because they spent a ton of resources on something like this. The Cora scene was clearly handmade and honestly, it looks expensive. Actually, I would rather they put the resources towards the actually endless flirting and pursuing the character through an interesting conversations and dialogues rather than one behemoth of a sex scene like that, because the romance was nowhere near the "root" romances in terms of length and content, like in DAO, DA2 or even SWTOR.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 7, 2017 16:37:06 GMT
So you're saying stop being so triggered? Then these words are for you... naughtynomad Avatar Oct 7, 2017 0:33:45 GMT -7 naughtynomad said: When you need to tell someone to "stop being so triggered" it's clear that you're the one who is actually triggered. Lol re-read your own posts and follow your own advice. No, I am admitting that many of us are triggered about the lack of brothels cause it signals a primer that DA4 will be the same sanitized and light hearted game as DAI and not like DAO which are the series roots. This is a reasonable debate to have. It's cognate to a couple of long-running ME series debates -- plot holes and space magic. But brothels are a dopey proxy for the substantive issue. Whatever darkness was or wasn't in the earlier games, it didn't come from their brothels.
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Post by pinkjellybeans on Oct 7, 2017 16:41:25 GMT
I've only played MEA once and I romanced Jaal and I will admit that I was honestly shocked with that particular scene, haha. But it happens right when it fades to black so I didn't really see it as full on porn or anything. I actually thought the whole romance scene with Jaal to be rather intense and passionate and it's probably one of my favorite Bioware's love sequences because of it and not because "oh my God boobies and sex with aliens!". Jaal's romance in general is really good. I have seen Cora's love scene and I was also impressed and shocked at the same time. Didn't think Bioware would ever do something like that. But then again ME's love scenes were always a bit more explicit than DA and it usually involves more than just a fade to black screen. I've actually seen it on this video, which is hilarious because this guy is basically narrating a sex scene and it's awkward as hell but he does have a point. The animations are freaking on point. The way the characters kiss and touch each other, the facial expressions, etc. Again, that last shot before it fades to black might be a bit too much for some, but I don't think it's long enough to be considered as porn and because these scenes are the culmination of endless flirting and pursuing a character. It's a moment where they finally connect physically and emotionally, so if these scenes are done right, I don't have a problem with them being a bit more explicit. I just don't want them to cut content because they spent a ton of resources on something like this. The Cora scene was clearly handmade and honestly, it looks expensive. Actually, I would rather they put the resources towards the actually endless flirting and pursuing the character through an interesting conversations and dialogues rather than one behemoth of a sex scene like that, because the romance was nowhere near the "root" romances in terms of length and content, like in DAO, DA2 or even SWTOR. I don't disagree. I think with some characters there isn't enough pursuit and build up. Both in friendship and romance. I don't know about Cora's romance, but I was quite satisfied with Jaal's. There are plenty of opportunities to get to know him, flirt and earn his trust. If I would have to choose, then I would definitely prefer more dialogue and scenes in general, which is why I said I don't want them to spend so many resources on sex scenes like this if it means we'll get less regular interactions with the characters. Nevertheless, the Cora scene is still impressive with the amount of detail it has (and I mean the animations, facial expressions, etc. not the actual sex part). I think this is the first time we actually see two characters really kissing.
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