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Post by krighaur on Oct 12, 2017 17:55:52 GMT
If it was specifically you, I would have quoted you ... it's directed at all 'pseudo' Bioware fans who search every tiny bits they can find to tell ad libidum how bad Bioware's games are. It's boring and tiring, and prevent all serious discussions about the game. Assuming this is directed at me and others who voice criticism of franchises we enjoy. What you should try to understand is that blind fanatacism is not healthy for anyone. Any artist or writer out there will tell you they welcome criticism because it pushes them to make better works and not fall into routines. Fanboyism is actually more annoying to them than people who voice logical criticism. I like the Dragon Age franchise for the world building you can do across the series. That is why I continue to play it. But I'm not such a sucker for it that I can't see the flaws and demand better from the people I'm supporting financially. It is becuase I enjoy the series that I want it to do better. So you might consider that before you reach for your jar of fanatical loyalty. I will not debates with you, because as soon as someone does not agree with you he/she is an idiot/fanatic/biofan/andotherkindwords. What I mean, is that if you, and others like you, were not so accusing, and so dismissing, we could have serious discussions. These discussions could also be about the flaws we find in Bioware games. But in spite you claim that you like Bioware games (which sound as false as a kid taken with his hands in the jam and saying it's not me) you only try to convince others that Bioware games are full of flaws. So stay with your opinion, I stay with mine ... I am a bit more realistic than you, because I am in a forum where you are supposed to have more positive thoughts about the game than negatives thought, and that's not fanatical loyalty, only coherent way of thinking.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 12, 2017 18:59:31 GMT
But the brothel is part of sex and nudity in a mature game. But some are arguing that the brothels add to the atmosphere and that DAI's lack of brothel is indicative of a lighter tone. I'm arguing this is is silly, because the brothels in DAO/DA2 are jokey. If your argument is that you want your character to have more sex, then I appreciate the honesty. And if you want more nude scenes, I'll point out the brothels don't have any. DAI does. My thing is why did they make brothels and sex such a big deal? They're optional for players and no one forces them to have sex in the game. And me personally I think Witcher brothels are better than DA because they're not afraid of showing nudity of people having sex.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2017 19:13:16 GMT
But some are arguing that the brothels add to the atmosphere and that DAI's lack of brothel is indicative of a lighter tone. I'm arguing this is is silly, because the brothels in DAO/DA2 are jokey. If your argument is that you want your character to have more sex, then I appreciate the honesty. And if you want more nude scenes, I'll point out the brothels don't have any. DAI does. My thing is why did they make brothels and sex such a big deal? They're optional for players and no one forces them to have sex in the game. And me personally I think Witcher brothels are better than DA because they're not afraid of showing nudity of people having sex. Nudity isn’t really relevant since some characters get nude in Inquisition anyway, including our PC. Honestly though, the best parts of brothels in previous DA games were actually the jokes and banter that went on there, like that naughty elf Jethan, or dealing with Idunna. There’s no actual nudity in either game so it’s not much different from, say, a seedy tavern.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 12, 2017 19:17:52 GMT
My thing is why did they make brothels and sex such a big deal? They're optional for players and no one forces them to have sex in the game. And me personally I think Witcher brothels are better than DA because they're not afraid of showing nudity of people having sex. Nudity isn’t really relevant since some characters get nude in Inquisition anyway, including our PC. Honestly though, the best parts of brothels in previous DA games were actually the jokes and banter that went on there, like that naughty elf Jethan, or dealing with Idunna. There’s no actual nudity in either game so it’s not much different from, say, a seedy tavern. If people want to go to a brothel they are here for one thing: Sex. Not jokes. If they want to hear jokes they could go to a theatre to laugh at jokes.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 12, 2017 19:20:10 GMT
Nudity isn’t really relevant since some characters get nude in Inquisition anyway, including our PC. Honestly though, the best parts of brothels in previous DA games were actually the jokes and banter that went on there, like that naughty elf Jethan, or dealing with Idunna. There’s no actual nudity in either game so it’s not much different from, say, a seedy tavern. Heck, Dragon Age: Inquisition was the first game in the series to show nudity instead of underwear.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 12, 2017 19:46:53 GMT
Strange world where a game is good if : - It includes a brothel - It has renegade choice - It has dark moments Don't you think you are cutting hair in four ? What will be the next indication that the last Bioware game were bad ? The NPC women have no cleavage, or the male can't rape, or they don't include a toilet or XXX (next Bioware hero) can't pee as far as Shep, or he has a smaller sex, or smaller boobs ?
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Post by krighaur on Oct 12, 2017 20:14:40 GMT
Strange world where a game is good if : - It includes a brothel - It has renegade choice - It has dark moments Don't you think you are cutting hair in four ? What will be the next indication that the last Bioware game were bad ? The NPC women have no cleavage, or the male can't rape, or they don't include a toilet or XXX (next Bioware hero) can't pee as far as Shep, or he has a smaller sex, or smaller boobs ? You have a great collection of youtube video ! But do you sometimes think by yourself or are you entirely youtube formatted ?
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 12, 2017 20:18:33 GMT
I am in a forum where you are supposed to have more positive thoughts about the game than negatives thought, and that's not fanatical loyalty, only coherent way of thinking. Hmm, Im not sure that is how it goes. A forum is supposed to be a place to share, discuss, and debate ideas. It is meant to be a 2,3, or 4 way discussion about a given topic....not purely an echo chamber of thought. I am a Carolina Panthers fan. If I goto a Panther forum, I can still be a fan and yet bash the coaching staff in the forum for making such terrible decisions in the previous game and how it could cost us a playoff spot. I can also discuss how the front office needs to invest more into the offensive line through free agency and the draft in order to protect Cam Newton. While I am showing concern, criticism, and anger at the Panthers players, coaches, and front office staff... that does not make me ant less of a fan. Tell me, when a crowd boos their home team due to poor play, does that suddenly mean they arent fans or true fans? Does that mean that those who criticized the Star Wars PT are not really Star Wars fans? Is simply accepting the status quo the only way to show coherent thought?
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Post by krighaur on Oct 12, 2017 20:27:28 GMT
I am in a forum where you are supposed to have more positive thoughts about the game than negatives thought, and that's not fanatical loyalty, only coherent way of thinking. Hmm, Im not sure that is how it goes. A forum is supposed to be a place to share, discuss, and debate ideas. It is meant to be a 2,3, or 4 way discussion about a given topic....not purely an echo chamber of thought. I am a Carolina Panthers fan. If I goto a Panther forum, I can still be a fan and yet bash the coaching staff in the forum for making such terrible decisions in the previous game and how it could cost us a playoff spot. I can also discuss how the front office needs to invest more into the offensive line through free agency and the draft in order to protect Cam Newton. While I am showing concern, criticism, and anger at the Panthers players, coaches, and front office staff... that does not make me ant less of a fan. Tell me, when a crowd boos their home team due to poor play, does that suddenly mean they arent fans or true fans? Does that mean that those who criticized the Star Wars PT are not really Star Wars fans? Is simply accepting the status quo the only way to show coherent thought? You are also very strong at reading only part of sentences and at twisting words from others. I said this forum should have MORE positive thoughts than negatives ones. I never wrote that there should be only praise of Bioware. I said that it's your constant bashing that prevents serious discussions about Bioware.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2017 20:37:57 GMT
Nudity isn’t really relevant since some characters get nude in Inquisition anyway, including our PC. Honestly though, the best parts of brothels in previous DA games were actually the jokes and banter that went on there, like that naughty elf Jethan, or dealing with Idunna. There’s no actual nudity in either game so it’s not much different from, say, a seedy tavern. If people want to go to a brothel they are here for one thing: Sex. Not jokes. If they want to hear jokes they could go to a theatre to laugh at jokes. Point is, anyone who gave a nug’s arsehole about sex in brothels in Dragon Age was barely getting that as it was. We primarily went to brothels in Origins and DA2 to fulfill other non-sex related quests. Inquisition is the only DA game that actually has bare anything, so clearly Bio isn’t afraid of that.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 12, 2017 20:47:20 GMT
If people want to go to a brothel they are here for one thing: Sex. Not jokes. If they want to hear jokes they could go to a theatre to laugh at jokes. Point is, anyone who gave a nug’s arsehole about sex in brothels in Dragon Age was barely getting that as it was. We primarily went to brothels in Origins and DA2 to fulfill other non-sex related quests. Inquisition is the only DA game that actually has bare anything, so clearly Bio isn’t afraid of that. And it took all this time to put nudity in one game but they didn't show sex scenes with nudity. So.....
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2017 21:00:00 GMT
Point is, anyone who gave a nug’s arsehole about sex in brothels in Dragon Age was barely getting that as it was. We primarily went to brothels in Origins and DA2 to fulfill other non-sex related quests. Inquisition is the only DA game that actually has bare anything, so clearly Bio isn’t afraid of that. And it took all this time to put nudity in one game but they didn't show sex scenes with nudity. So..... Big deal. I didn’t need to see Sera actually eating Inky pie to know what was going on, but they were both pretty dang nude while it was happening.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 12, 2017 21:00:03 GMT
And it took all this time to put nudity in one game but they didn't show sex scenes with nudity. So..... In Inquisition? As far as I know, they did. I believe Sera is one of the romances that display nudity during the sex scene.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 12, 2017 21:07:19 GMT
Point is, anyone who gave a nug’s arsehole about sex in brothels in Dragon Age was barely getting that as it was. We primarily went to brothels in Origins and DA2 to fulfill other non-sex related quests. Inquisition is the only DA game that actually has bare anything, so clearly Bio isn’t afraid of that. And it took all this time to put nudity in one game but they didn't show sex scenes with nudity. So..... I dunno that we really need to see pixellated grinding. It's enough to show that sex happened, maybe flash a little skin, throw in some post-coitus dialogue.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 12, 2017 21:12:43 GMT
IF DA4 features at least one fairly big and detailed city, it makes only sense that one establishment among many others like regular taverns, blacksmiths and so on would be a brothel. Because that's just one more immersive thing that a believable city has. Especially if we're going to Tevinter and hopefully get to experience its capital. It adds to the immersion. What kind of quests or atmosphere are tied to it is beside the point right now. A brothel is not an indicator of how dark a setting is but the topic has implications for the reason of its omission. We don't even know whether DA4 will feature a city, much less whether we'll see all of it (Minrathous is the biggest city on Thedas with a million people living there. Even if they do some scaling trickery, it's unlikely we're going to see all of it), so why are we even discussing 'reasons for it omission'? We don't even know why or what is going to be omitted or implemented yet, and the reasons for it could be story-related. We are, after all, gearing towards travelling to an already unstable Imperium with Qunari invasion looming on the horizon and who knows what else. The whole theme of Inquisition was how much we sacrifice when we're trying to rouse people around an organization that is the last hope of restoring order. This isn't just about easily understandable personal sacrifices on the battlefield, but sacrifice of identity, principles, lives of people we lead and - eventually or potentially - loss of direction, and ultimately - Inquisitor laying everything he/she has to try and save the world, actually saving it, only the world to start forgetting their contributions in meager years. ... ah yes, the 'scary glowing hand' that has enabled Inquisitor attain their illustrious position in the first place. Never mind that it's about so much more than this. The whole DLC was about way more than this. Yes, no terrifying events at all. It's not like they survived devastating explosion that has wiped all of the Conclave, coincidentally obtained unknown power that is eating them from inside, only to have it symbolically erase everything else they ever were before, yanked at the position of power and hoisted a ginormous responsibility on their back, where they didn't even know where and how to start fixing that mess, because Thedas has never experienced stuff like this before. And all that while knowing, 100%, that if they fail at any step of the way, Corypheus may not yet become god, but will destroy the world nonetheless, while people are expecting for them to sacrifice everything they are, even though they didn't, ultimately, were even given any opportunity to choose, go through any ritual or swear an oath. And after that, when they managed to actually save the world, the world just keeps demanding more of them, while at the same time robbing them of their power, their hand, their position and put in the situation that they have to scramble to save the world... again. Whoa, hold your horses! I was merely discussing a possible big capitalized "IF" scenario. If DA4 doesn't have a substantial city, then the point is moot, of course, as was the case in DAI. I would question the reason behind the decision if indeed we get a big city. But until then, it's all just a discussion, not propagating a conspiracy or anything. Neither was I saying the events of DAI weren't awful and generally terrifying. I was simply comparing the storytelling of personal loss and sacrifice of the main character's party in DAO/DA2 to DAI, trying to explain why people might perceive DAI so differently. Obviously DAI was downright apocalyptic but somehow the game gets labeled far less dark than its predecessors. Can't just be the colorful visuals... I personally don't even really care. It's nitpicking really. I really like DAI. I think it's a great game despite certain flaws. I do not like the inquisitor as a protagonist, personally. But the only actual glaring issue with the game I saw was the open world design. And maybe the combat. Apologies if I didn't make it clearer that I'm just tossing around thoughts.
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Post by river82 on Oct 12, 2017 21:17:34 GMT
If DA4 doesn't have a substantial city, then the point is moot, of course If DA4 doesn't have a substantial city (Inquisition,) it will be official that Bioware is a joke.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 12, 2017 21:22:39 GMT
If DA4 doesn't have a substantial city, then the point is moot, of course If DA4 doesn't have a substantial city (Inquisition,) it will be official that Bioware is a joke. Christ, this comes off as petulant. "If Dragon Age 4 doesn't have XXXX, then Bioware is RUINED FOREVER and I'm not playing their games anymore!" Feck off.
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Post by river82 on Oct 12, 2017 21:24:41 GMT
If DA4 doesn't have a substantial city (Inquisition,) it will be official that Bioware is a joke. Christ, this comes off as petulant. I'm almost 100% certain I couldn't care less how I "come off" to you. Wait ... nope, still don't give a toss.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 12, 2017 21:41:01 GMT
If DA4 doesn't have a substantial city, then the point is moot, of course If DA4 doesn't have a substantial city (Inquisition,) it will be official that Bioware is a joke. I'd like to wander around a big city as much as anyone, but ultimately it will depend on what kind of story they end up telling.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 12, 2017 22:05:43 GMT
Hmm, Im not sure that is how it goes. A forum is supposed to be a place to share, discuss, and debate ideas. It is meant to be a 2,3, or 4 way discussion about a given topic....not purely an echo chamber of thought. I am a Carolina Panthers fan. If I goto a Panther forum, I can still be a fan and yet bash the coaching staff in the forum for making such terrible decisions in the previous game and how it could cost us a playoff spot. I can also discuss how the front office needs to invest more into the offensive line through free agency and the draft in order to protect Cam Newton. While I am showing concern, criticism, and anger at the Panthers players, coaches, and front office staff... that does not make me ant less of a fan. Tell me, when a crowd boos their home team due to poor play, does that suddenly mean they arent fans or true fans? Does that mean that those who criticized the Star Wars PT are not really Star Wars fans? Is simply accepting the status quo the only way to show coherent thought? You are also very strong at reading only part of sentences and at twisting words from others. I said this forum should have MORE positive thoughts than negatives ones. I never wrote that there should be only praise of Bioware. I said that it's your constant bashing that prevents serious discussions about Bioware. Your argument is flawed. 1) YOU believe and YOU want this place to be a hive of positive Bioware discussion, but that doesnt mean that is the true intent of this place. Ask SofaJockey, while I am sure he enjoys positive discussion, he never mandated that it should be mostly positive. There can be neutral/negative discussion, as long as it is respectful. 2) You equate negative discussion with bashing. So I am showing my frustration with Bioware because I believe they are changing the tone of their games to adopt a more lighter feel....so now I am bashing? Did it ever occur to you that I have the right to express my thoughts in their past, present, and future games in the same manner you do? So only talking positively and continuously praising Bioware is the ONLY way to have serious discussion? So me being upset about the lighter tone means I am bashing? Being upset about not being able to go renegade with Ryder and IQ is bashing? Being annoyed by the DAI fetch quest is bashing? Disliking the zoomed out over the shoulder camera for conversations is bashing? You say that you never said this place has to be only positive discussion and yet in the very next sentence you imply that me posting my concerns/gripes with the games are "bashing" and preventing this place from having serious discussion. Ok, got it. I joke around when I call this place an echo chamber to push a few buttons. But reading your comments really suggest that there are a few who really does want this place to be an echo chamber of positive Bioware thought, ideas, and discussion.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 12, 2017 22:19:26 GMT
If DA4 doesn't have a substantial city, then the point is moot, of course If DA4 doesn't have a substantial city (Inquisition,) it will be official that Bioware is a joke. While I wont judge the overall quality if DA4 on the quality/size of their city hub, I would compare it to how similar games in the past/present did them. Imagine if Bioware took away 2-3 zones in DAI and used the resources to make VR on the similar size and scale as Novigrad in TW3? But bringing this back to the brothel discussion, having a brothel in a city such as Tevinter would really show how the city is touching the edges of having no morals the same wat they did with Kirkwall and Denerim.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 12, 2017 22:31:31 GMT
How can it have that meaning if Denerim had one too?
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2017 23:46:11 GMT
How can it have that meaning if Denerim had one too? Yeah I can't be the only one whose Warden was a repeat customer that went through the entire lineup at the Pearl, and even hooked up with Isabela.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 12, 2017 23:50:35 GMT
And it took all this time to put nudity in one game but they didn't show sex scenes with nudity. So..... Big deal. I didn’t need to see Sera actually eating Inky pie to know what was going on, but they were both pretty dang nude while it was happening.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2017 23:51:53 GMT
But bringing this back to the brothel discussion, having a brothel in a city such as Tevinter would really show how the city is touching the edges of having no morals the same wat they did with Kirkwall and Denerim. Oh come on now. Morals? Kirkwall had thieves, serial killers, an overly corrupt system of government, most of all the Templars, and insane bloodmages. The Blooming Rose was a beacon of light compared to the rest of that city, and I bet the same would be true of Tevinter, what with all the evil sorcerers lurking about and their steady grip on the slave trade.
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