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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Oct 9, 2017 7:59:23 GMT
Mass Effect Andromeda is more lighthearted than the original trilogy. Do you think the success of Guardians of the Galaxy and Star Wars The Force Awakens had any effect on the story writers?
Take a look at the scene at 12:30. Is it inspired by Star Wars The Force Awakens?
In both the endings for Mass Effect Andromeda and Star Trek from 2009 have the Tempest and Enterprise going into FTL at the end. 23:53 for Andromeda and 1:38 for Star Trek.
Would you say that Mass Effect Andromeda is Mass Effect if it was done by J.J. Abrams?
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Oct 9, 2017 8:52:48 GMT
That is definitely technically a question.
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Post by Superhik on Oct 9, 2017 11:10:17 GMT
Maybe it's not MEA that's too lighthearted, but it's us who've become too serious over the years?
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Post by abaris on Oct 9, 2017 13:03:51 GMT
Maybe it's not MEA that's too lighthearted, but it's us who've become too serious over the years? As I said right from the start, humor is in the eye of the beholder. If you take the humorous approach, you automatically exclude a lot of persons who don't find your sense of humor funny. There's an audience for Adam Sandler and other comedians, but others hate their guts. Humor is a very dangerous tool if you want to be inclusive to as large an audience as possible.
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Post by PillarBiter on Oct 9, 2017 13:13:53 GMT
Maybe it's not MEA that's too lighthearted, but it's us who've become too serious over the years? I refuse to believe anything is my own fault whatsoever and disregard any and all other points of view as they are not worth my time!
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Post by cypherj on Oct 9, 2017 13:55:02 GMT
It wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy or Star War, it was the fact that people loved the Citadel DLC so much that someone thought it would be a good idea to create that atmosphere for an entire game.
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Post by Sondergaard on Oct 9, 2017 14:37:21 GMT
It wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy or Star War, it was the fact that people loved the Citadel DLC so much that Mac Walters thought it would be a good idea to create that atmosphere for an entire game. FTFY.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 9, 2017 14:55:33 GMT
It wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy or Star War, it was the fact that people loved the Citadel DLC so much that someone thought it would be a good idea to create that atmosphere for an entire game. The reason for the tonal shift in MEA can be traced directly to the response to ME3 and to the Citadel DLC. But done without properly reflecting on WHY they got the reactions they did.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Oct 9, 2017 15:14:48 GMT
Would you say that Mass Effect Andromeda is Mass Effect if it was done by J.J. Abrams? I would say that would suck and a sequel where is NOT directing or writing would be better, since nothing JJ Abrams have done other than Star Wars 7 was good and it was IMHO just OK. M:I 3 was dull as dirt. Star Trek was dull and insulting. Star Trek: Into Darkness was crap. Star Wars 7 was OK, better than the rest of his crap but it's just an average dumb sci-fi action movie and the best film he's directed. M:I 4, M:I 5, and Star Trek: Beyond were all better films and my guess is that Star Wars 8 will follow that trend.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 9, 2017 17:23:05 GMT
So how do you feel about SW 9?
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Post by mannyray on Oct 9, 2017 19:02:33 GMT
Would you say that Mass Effect Andromeda is Mass Effect if it was done by J.J. Abrams? I would say that would suck and a sequel where is NOT directing or writing would be better, since nothing JJ Abrams have done other than Star Wars 7 was good and it was IMHO just OK. M:I 3 was dull as dirt. Star Trek was dull and insulting. Star Trek: Into Darkness was crap. Star Wars 7 was OK, better than the rest of his crap but it's just an average dumb sci-fi action movie and the best film he's directed. M:I 4, M:I 5, and Star Trek: Beyond were all better films and my guess is that Star Wars 8 will follow that trend. The ME series is "Abrams" in feel. Most of the vocal haters refuse to acknowledge how bad at times the original star trek series and some of the films were and that compromises their objectivity forever. I've seen in comments on gamespot declaring Shepard the "most compelling protagonist in modern fiction." With that level of taste and critical thinking ability driving the rage, there are bigger problems than a somewhat humorous tone.
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Post by traks on Oct 9, 2017 19:36:32 GMT
I would rather say the success of the Citadel DLC lead to MEA being as lighthearted as it is.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 9, 2017 19:45:16 GMT
There are a lot of similarities actually between JJ trek and MEA. Scott even looks like the new Kirk. Not that I'm complaining mind you.
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Post by guanxi on Oct 9, 2017 20:27:39 GMT
The light-hearted feel-good tone and jokey/campy on-the-nose surface-level dialogue was definitely a Marvel-inspired attempt to attract a broader, younger (less-discerning) audience but it didn't materialise ultimately.
Talk about identity crisis... MEAs young-adult writing and tone-based dialogue system is stilted and restrictive and is ultimately a pale imitation / poorer replacement of the old games systems and did very little for the remaining traditional BioWare consumer who have become accustomed to significantly richer interactive experiences in the past. BioWare have neglected their base too long, their games have become unfocused and now they are firmly in the wait for reviews and heavy discounts category for many former hard-core fans myself included.
I hope if anything is learned from MEAs failings that can be applied to future BioWare games it's that BioWare games live and die on the quality of the writing and the expressiveness of the dialogue / morality systems to create a convincing sense of self and attachment to the game-world which is their bread and butter... When they loose sight of their core strengths and become overly focussed on the wrong things which they are ill-prepared and ill-suited to develop like multiplayer-orientated skinner-box rng loot systems, open-world sandboxes with procedural lite-mmo / ubisoft-style filler content they loose their identity and no longer stand out from the conga-line of mediocre hacks chasing the same gaudy fads.
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Post by ATR16 on Oct 9, 2017 20:29:48 GMT
One of my biggest gripes with the game was that it felt like it took all the recent space media (games, movies, tv) and coated it in the most vanilla of paint with a few sprinkles of Mass Effect instead of making another Mass Effect game and sprinkling recent space media inspirations on top.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 9, 2017 20:44:02 GMT
I would say that would suck and a sequel where is NOT directing or writing would be better, since nothing JJ Abrams have done other than Star Wars 7 was good and it was IMHO just OK. M:I 3 was dull as dirt. Star Trek was dull and insulting. Star Trek: Into Darkness was crap. Star Wars 7 was OK, better than the rest of his crap but it's just an average dumb sci-fi action movie and the best film he's directed. M:I 4, M:I 5, and Star Trek: Beyond were all better films and my guess is that Star Wars 8 will follow that trend. The ME series is "Abrams" in feel. Most of the vocal haters refuse to acknowledge how bad at times the original star trek series and some of the films were and that compromises their objectivity forever. I've seen in comments on gamespot declaring Shepard the "most compelling protagonist in modern fiction." With that level of taste and critical thinking ability driving the rage, there are bigger problems than a somewhat humorous tone. In fiction? OK, if they said gaming, I could buy that. I'd disagree, but I could understand, but c'mon. Well, whatevs. I'll still take Hawke any day.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Oct 9, 2017 20:53:48 GMT
I would say that would suck and a sequel where is NOT directing or writing would be better, since nothing JJ Abrams have done other than Star Wars 7 was good and it was IMHO just OK. M:I 3 was dull as dirt. Star Trek was dull and insulting. Star Trek: Into Darkness was crap. Star Wars 7 was OK, better than the rest of his crap but it's just an average dumb sci-fi action movie and the best film he's directed. M:I 4, M:I 5, and Star Trek: Beyond were all better films and my guess is that Star Wars 8 will follow that trend. The ME series is "Abrams" in feel. Most of the vocal haters refuse to acknowledge how bad at times the original star trek series and some of the films were and that compromises their objectivity forever. I've seen in comments on gamespot declaring Shepard the "most compelling protagonist in modern fiction." With that level of taste and critical thinking ability driving the rage, there are bigger problems than a somewhat humorous tone. Most of the Star Trek shows were bland, boring, or just bat-shit crazy. Overall it's each TV series that has more boring and forgettable episodes than ones that are awful especially the last 3: Star Trek: Voyager is stupid but it's the kind of stupid that is fun, I enjoy the hell out of it. Star Trek: Enterprise had potential but never realized it. I haven't seen anything other than trailer for Star Trek: Discovery since it is on CBS All Access and I'm not paying for $9 a month for streaming service for one season of one show that I can binge watch over a weekend. I don't think Star Trek has a movie series because most of the movies namely 2-9 in particular felt like glorified TV and/or Direct to video movies. Some were good and 2 of them are great (2 and 7) but to me Star Trek never felt like a movie series. So yeah, the movies were a hit and miss but even the worst one (which IMHO is Star Trek 9: Insurrection) is still better than Abrams constantly moving cameras, light fares that make it next to impossible to see a damn thing, good actors and Chris Pine acting more SNL impersonators than actual characters, time travel/alternate timeline, and space magic hocus pocus. Star Trek: Beyond was everything that if Star Trek has to be a dumb sci-fi action movie then let it be as wild and fun as that.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 9, 2017 21:01:35 GMT
It wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy or Star War, it was the fact that people loved the Citadel DLC so much that someone thought it would be a good idea to create that atmosphere for an entire game. The reason for the tonal shift in MEA can be traced directly to the response to ME3 and to the Citadel DLC. But done without properly reflecting on WHY they got the reactions they did. I feel like I remember you predicting this exact outcome long before MEA's release. Am I remembering correctly? I am certain that someone predicted it, whether it was you or someone else.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 9, 2017 21:06:27 GMT
The reason for the tonal shift in MEA can be traced directly to the response to ME3 and to the Citadel DLC. But done without properly reflecting on WHY they got the reactions they did. I feel like I remember you predicting this exact outcome long before MEA's release. Am I remembering correctly? I am certain that someone predicted it, whether it was you or someone else. Couldn't have been me I was outright shocked they didn't shelve the franchise after ME3 for at least a decade.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 9, 2017 22:14:17 GMT
I feel like I remember you predicting this exact outcome long before MEA's release. Am I remembering correctly? I am certain that someone predicted it, whether it was you or someone else. Couldn't have been me I was outright shocked they didn't shelve the franchise after ME3 for at least a decade. Or at the very least hiring a writer that can write a storyline for MEA and not F it up. Unlike Supermac.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 22:35:40 GMT
Couldn't have been me I was outright shocked they didn't shelve the franchise after ME3 for at least a decade. Or at the very least hiring a writer that can write a storyline for MEA and not F it up. Unlike Supermac. Yeah... his name was Chris Schlerf, Lead Writer on ME:A until February 2016 (i.e. about 18 months before it launched).
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 9, 2017 22:42:48 GMT
Or at the very least hiring a writer that can write a storyline for MEA and not F it up. Unlike Supermac. Yeah... his name was Chris Schlerf, Lead Writer on ME:A until February 2016 (i.e. about 18 months before it launched). I remember him. Didn't he walk out? I can't remember.
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Post by Steelcan on Oct 9, 2017 22:59:27 GMT
Or at the very least hiring a writer that can write a storyline for MEA and not F it up. Unlike Supermac. Yeah... his name was Chris Schlerf, Lead Writer on ME:A until February 2016 (i.e. about 18 months before it launched). The writer to Halo 4 was not the solution to ME's woes
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 9, 2017 23:15:30 GMT
Yeah... his name was Chris Schlerf, Lead Writer on ME:A until February 2016 (i.e. about 18 months before it launched). I remember him. Didn't he walk out? I can't remember. He did... Yeah... his name was Chris Schlerf, Lead Writer on ME:A until February 2016 (i.e. about 18 months before it launched). The writer to Halo 4 was not the solution to ME's woes and I agree. Two consecutive lead writers walked out, with Mac eventually taking on a progressively broader role simply to get the project to completion. There seem to have been a great many failures, many due to poor choices on BioWare's part. I like MEA, but I expected more well considered choices following the ME3 fallout.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 9, 2017 23:34:56 GMT
Yeah... his name was Chris Schlerf, Lead Writer on ME:A until February 2016 (i.e. about 18 months before it launched). The writer to Halo 4 was not the solution to ME's woes Never played any of the Halo games, so can't comment on that.
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