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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2017 16:57:48 GMT
Then why wasn't this level of outrage towards Shadow of War? Where you are at an unfair advantage with microtransactions as well? Edit: Or why aren't people this upset at Disney for they control the IP and if a few reports I have read are accurate they were restrictive on what EA could do. I don't know. Shadow of War has MP? Probably not so many playing it. I did however receive heavy criticism for their loot boxes in SP. And Disney didn't code p2w mechanics, they just get rich leeching off their license. Shadow of War has multiplayer where you attack other people's castles and if you kill a captain in one of the two modes they are dead for good. So someone could pay for an advantage by having best level orc captains attack your base and you lose everything you worked for. Disney puts restrictions on the content even if they might not code it. Since you mentioned paying to win, one article I was reading Disney discarded that idea for everything in the game must be 100% authentic to the Star Wars IP so you couldn't even have recolored costumes or imagined variants based on the different planets/cultures. So that removes any possible cosmetic only options.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 17, 2017 17:02:46 GMT
I don't know. Shadow of War has MP? Probably not so many playing it. I did however receive heavy criticism for their loot boxes in SP. And Disney didn't code p2w mechanics, they just get rich leeching off their license. Shadow of War has multiplayer where you attack other people's castles and if you kill a captain in one of the two modes they are dead for good. So someone could pay for an advantage by having best level orc captains attack your base and you lose everything you worked for. Disney puts restrictions on the content even if they might not code it. Since you mentioned paying to win, one article I was reading Disney discarded that idea for everything in the game must be 100% authentic to the Star Wars IP so you couldn't even have recolored costumes or imagined variants based on the different planets/cultures. So that removes any possible cosmetic only options. I doubt the Shadow of War MP is popular with these mechanics. In fact, I haven't heard anything about it, so it's probably not really the burner SWBF2 would like to be. I don't see "any possible cosmetic" removed. Why would that be?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 17, 2017 17:09:51 GMT
Is this a victory for the internet group-think hive-mind? Maybe yes, maybe no.
Maybe yes, because it means that enough negative PR can create pressure for change. It means that coordinated fandom response can curb the worse excesses of greed and exploitation from the industry.
Maybe no, in that, like negotiating with terrorists, it sets a precedent that might encourage coordinated attacks solely for ugly purposes. For example, it now becomes reasonable for one competitor to make life hell for another competitor by covertly fomenting an internet shit storm.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2017 17:36:06 GMT
Shadow of War has multiplayer where you attack other people's castles and if you kill a captain in one of the two modes they are dead for good. So someone could pay for an advantage by having best level orc captains attack your base and you lose everything you worked for. Disney puts restrictions on the content even if they might not code it. Since you mentioned paying to win, one article I was reading Disney discarded that idea for everything in the game must be 100% authentic to the Star Wars IP so you couldn't even have recolored costumes or imagined variants based on the different planets/cultures. So that removes any possible cosmetic only options. I doubt the Shadow of War MP is popular with these mechanics. In fact, I haven't heard anything about it, so it's probably not really the burner SWBF2 would like to be. I don't see "any possible cosmetic" removed. Why would that be? I can't find the article anymore since I have read a lot and its harder to find without rereading a lot of articles. My impression is they wanted everything to be 100% authentic to what is presented in the films so any variation to that official look would be not allowed. It might not make complete sense, but Disney is all about control you can see that from when they fired Lord and Millar from the Han Solo movie or when they blackballed a newspaper from movie screenings because they wrote a negative article about the conditions at Disney Land.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2017 17:37:03 GMT
Is this a victory for the internet group-think hive-mind? Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe yes, because it means that enough negative PR can create pressure for change. It means that coordinated fandom response can curb the worse excesses of greed and exploitation from the industry. Maybe no, in that, like negotiating with terrorists, it sets a precedent that might encourage coordinated attacks solely for ugly purposes. For example, it now becomes reasonable for one competitor to make life hell for another competitor by covertly fomenting an internet shit storm. I agree, I am not a big fan of EA doing this. I much rather have just seen them release the boxes with different content they removing them all together. Like a lot of things about this game I am also curious to know Disney's involvement in this decision.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 17, 2017 18:16:55 GMT
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There is an article mentioning that Belgium authorities are investigating EA for possible illegally facilitating gambling.
Perhaps another reason why EA suddenly shut down MTs?
You will need to translate the article to english
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 17, 2017 18:21:32 GMT
They've temporarily pulled MTs from Battlefront II. Let's see how this plays out for the future. I think it's going to be fascinating. Just the Battlefront II User Review on MetaCritic is eye watering... EA/DICE are in open panic. The good will going into Anthem is likely to be highly conditional.BioWare cannot judge this wrongly. Just further proof that Metacritic is an absolutely worthless site when it comes to rating games.
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Post by Amirit on Nov 17, 2017 18:21:51 GMT
Is this a victory for the internet group-think hive-mind? Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe yes, because it means that enough negative PR can create pressure for change. It means that coordinated fandom response can curb the worse excesses of greed and exploitation from the industry. Maybe no, in that, like negotiating with terrorists, it sets a precedent that might encourage coordinated attacks solely for ugly purposes. For example, it now becomes reasonable for one competitor to make life hell for another competitor by covertly fomenting an internet shit storm. Hard to say, but afair, Bethesda did it with Obsidian already with Follout NV long ago (payment was supposed to be based on Metacritic revews from gamers and "miraculously" last minutes review were not good enough to pay to Obsidian). I'd say - no, by now EA got what they deserved both with MEA and with BF2. You spit on your gamers - you risk they might spit back. And there are way many more of them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 17, 2017 18:22:30 GMT
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There is an article mentioning that Belgium authorities are investigating EA for possible illegally facilitating gambling.
Perhaps another reason why EA suddenly shut down MTs?
You will need to translate the article to english
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It's not just EA but other game companies that do loot boxes too. For example Blizzard's Overwatch whose loot boxes are just cosmetic items.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 17, 2017 18:28:32 GMT
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Have not yet read any game magazine reviews for BF2. Yet, the Metacritic score is 72 (not user score).
It's possible the reviews failed to adequately analyze the progression grind and credit paywall. Though, frankly, I find this to be unlikely. For now, I can't quite understand their scoring criteria. (🌸=◡=)
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Post by mmoblitz on Nov 17, 2017 18:56:19 GMT
From the reviews I have read, they all seem to praise the SP experience which is about 6 hrs in length. It's the multiplayer portion that is bringing the scores down. From boring and repetitive to progression tied to MT. Those are the biggest complaints. Also I have seen some good points brought up about those who don't get in on the game at launch, but a month or two after will feel the most pressure to spend their way to being competitive which is what EA is counting on.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 17, 2017 19:23:54 GMT
I think it's going to be fascinating. Just the Battlefront II User Review on MetaCritic is eye watering... EA/DICE are in open panic. The good will going into Anthem is likely to be highly conditional.BioWare cannot judge this wrongly. Just further proof that Metacritic is an absolutely worthless site when it comes to rating games. OpenCritic is a lot better. Public perception has been skewed for years now. This was frankly not surprising.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 17, 2017 19:33:46 GMT
Is this a victory for the internet group-think hive-mind? Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe yes, because it means that enough negative PR can create pressure for change. It means that coordinated fandom response can curb the worse excesses of greed and exploitation from the industry. Maybe no, in that, like negotiating with terrorists, it sets a precedent that might encourage coordinated attacks solely for ugly purposes. For example, it now becomes reasonable for one competitor to make life hell for another competitor by covertly fomenting an internet shit storm. It's probably more complex than any of that. Knowing Electronic Arts, its either one of three reasons they would make such a drastic move: 1) They actually care about feedback 2) The "negative press" going mainstream has become problematic. 3) Disney got involved. I suspect it's a mix of all of those, honestly. They wouldn't change it so quickly if the Mouse didn't drop the hammer of course (knowing how protective Disney is, they have cancelled projects near completion due to bad press before) but I am sure there was a desire to change it to begin with internally via Dice. Not to mention no one wants bad press for something they in all liklihood worked on for years now, where it's being crucified before the game is even fully released. Boy...that sounds familiar. It's also a situation that is not going to happen again, as the external pressures are only here because it's a known franchise and outside owned IP, beyond the scope of say Call of Duty or Need for Speed, which have obtrusive bits to it as well. Or it could just be because it's EA it's automatically evil...but that kind of logic annoys the hell out of me since companies like Activision or Valve are much more aggressively egregious at being predatory. Heck, take CoD WWII, they are doing it subtly and through gameplay mechanics like the in-game loot crates dropping from the fucking sky so everyone can see the shiny baubles at base camp in real time. Frankly this is a bad precedent all around, because too many gamers out there have axes to grind to use such power responsibly. Hell, I will make a prediction now: Anthem will fail if this mentality continues. Better to poison the narrative and print the lies, so to speak, than to enjoy the game on its merits. If Anthem has some form of loot boxes or whatever the case may be, people will simply shit on it because it's an EA game. It will fail because it's BioWare and they are "sell outs" and "SJW'S" now. It will fail because it killed Andromeda in some odd form. It will have nothing to do with implementation; it has everything to do with perception, a prejudgement instead of a nuanced opinion. EA always loses that battle, whether they deserve it or not. We happen to have seen a few times where they rightfully so have been taken to task as of late. But it's always like this. Was like this for Inquisition, Battlefield 1, Titanfall...the works really. The pattern is not going to change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 20:53:33 GMT
Is this a victory for the internet group-think hive-mind? Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe yes, because it means that enough negative PR can create pressure for change. It means that coordinated fandom response can curb the worse excesses of greed and exploitation from the industry. Maybe no, in that, like negotiating with terrorists, it sets a precedent that might encourage coordinated attacks solely for ugly purposes. For example, it now becomes reasonable for one competitor to make life hell for another competitor by covertly fomenting an internet shit storm. It's probably more complex than any of that. Knowing Electronic Arts, its either one of three reasons they would make such a drastic move: 1) They actually care about feedback 2) The "negative press" going mainstream has become problematic. 3) Disney got involved. I personally think its largely 2 and 3. Battlefront 2 got bad press circulating in the media and Disney's CEO gave (what was more than likely) a strongly worded phone call to EA's CEO. The whole thing is an ugly PR nightmare.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 17, 2017 21:55:04 GMT
It's probably more complex than any of that. Knowing Electronic Arts, its either one of three reasons they would make such a drastic move: 1) They actually care about feedback 2) The "negative press" going mainstream has become problematic. 3) Disney got involved. I personally think its largely 2 and 3. Battlefront 2 got bad press circulating in the media and Disney's CEO gave (what was more than likely) a strongly worded phone call to EA's CEO. The whole thing is an ugly PR nightmare. I think people do underestimate how much some developers care about feedback. It's not healthy to do so, and I'd rather they just go all in without abandon, but they want to be in the good graces of their audience all the time. BioWare is guilty of this heavily for example, excessively so. I am sure the mandate of putting in boxes was the change over, but the desire of some on the team to get away from that is another.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 17, 2017 22:03:20 GMT
I think people do underestimate how much some developers care about feedback. Developers? Sure, I can believe that. The problem however seems to be with the people on top, the corporate types, or the publishers. Some of them may care in publishing. I legitimately believed peter Moore did, as did the publisher executives attached to BioWare. Wilson however, I feel is screwing the pooch a bit here.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 17, 2017 22:17:05 GMT
2) The "negative press" going mainstream has become problematic. Could you elaborate on that? I mean, the first problem I see with this is by dividing things into "negative press" and "positive press", the job of the press is to report not to sell. First, the press is always inherently bias in how it is written, even when attempting partiality in a story. So the spin of positive or negative is usually in the eye of whose reading the article based on its content and how it is written. Example: the reports that battlefront 2 and over watch are being investigated in Belgium by the BGC for the loot boxes. That's negatime press to EA. That is also negative press to Disney that has been reported in the times and Bloomburg and other papers. Others seeing that story might see it as positive press because of predispositions to the whole controversy. But we're talking about EA'S perspective, not the individual online. That's a negative to them, along with the massive back lashes by the general public as well. As an aside, the only part of the press and journalism that is designed to report is actual reports and investigative pieces. Editorialization and general commentary and criticism is not the same thing as reporting. That stuff is trying to "sell" you, so to speak, to their point of view on a matter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 22:20:01 GMT
They also have metrics on what makes people buy a game or stay away from it. I am sure I am not the only one clicking “the user reviews” checkbox on the surveys.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 17, 2017 23:06:59 GMT
First, the press is always inherently bias in how it is written, even when attempting partiality in a story. So the spin of positive or negative is usually in the eye of whose reading the article based on its content and how it is written. Example: the reports that battlefront 2 and over watch are being investigated in Belgium by the BGC for the loot boxes. That's negatime press to EA. That is also negative press to Disney that has been reported in the times and Bloomburg and other papers. Others seeing that story might see it as positive press because of predispositions to the whole controversy. But we're talking about EA'S perspective, not the individual online. That's a negative to them, along with the massive back lashes by the general public as well. As an aside, the only part of the press and journalism that is designed to report is actual reports and investigative pieces. Editorialization and general commentary and criticism is not the same thing as reporting. That stuff is trying to "sell" you, so to speak, to their point of view on a matter. That's all fair enough, but I still don't see how "negative press" becoming mainstream is "problematic"?
I think that there was a crucial lack of it until not too long ago, which is probably half the reason so many people moved to say, YouTube, as the main source of gaming news.
Edit: Or are you saying all that as talking from EA's PoV?
All from EA's pov. Let's put it also this way, need for speed is now getting changes to their loot box system. So it even surprises me as I thought this was a one time thing Maybe EA is spooked now. But the perception is toxic.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2017 23:23:28 GMT
All from EA's pov. Let's put it also this way, need for speed is now getting changes to their loot box system. So it even surprises me as I thought this was a one time thing Maybe EA is spooked now. But the perception is toxic. Maybe I'm too hopeful, but I think that those things are overall a net positive for consumers, even if it's a shame that things need to become so nasty.
There needs to be a certain level of deterrence here, companies need to know that at some point they will trigger an explosive backlash, because they are certainly not going to slow down the money train voluntarily. I mean, just take a look at the stuff Activision patented...
I think developers do listen to what is being said, but at the same time I think they ignore places they know aren't going to be a good sampling of feedback or balanced like metacritic. The interesting this is depending on how much Disney had an involvement with the lootbox decision (including the possibility of what they contain) it could be a big win for EA. It is also the whole explosive feedback pretty much only in EA's direction which also means that EA might adapt to it, but also could ignore it because "they always hate us". I really wish people would get upset at Activision for right now their World War II systems are pushing lootboxes harder then anything else I have seen recently. There is a special mode in the game where you get to watch other people open lootboxes and on Steam they were pushing their virtual currency. All of those factors I think will also be how much EA really looks at the feedback they get.
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Well, if it targets unfairly the products by the same company while everyone gets the pass, and when criticism does not stop AFTER the complaints are addressed, I am sharing the earlier expressed concern about the malicious use of the internet machine to bring down a company’s profitability in a malicious competition. Seriously, it is hard for me to believe that EA is not targeted by someone. Call me paranoid....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 23:37:20 GMT
Well, if it targets unfairly the products by the same company while everyone gets the pass, and when criticism does not stop AFTER the complaints are addressed, I am sharing the earlier expressed concern about the malicious use of the internet machine to bring down a company’s profitability in a malicious competition. Seriously, it is hard for me to believe that EA is not targeted by someone. Call me paranoid.... And I'll repeat again what I said before.
Consumers have a lot of power, but because it's so unfocused in most cases it's not brought to bear in any manner resembling optimal. BF2 was a perfect storm, kinda like ME3's ending.
This isn't something you can reliably trigger or predict in advance.
Are there other games out there deserving of similar criticism? Sure. And they certainly received a fair share of it. But again, BF2 is a perfect storm, the level of backlash seems to have reached a certain "critical mass" if you will, and was sizeable enough for the general media to take notice.
You could say that it's a freak incident. Or the final straw, or something else suitably dramatic.
I think there is a verifiable examples of scandals in both the internet and the pre-internet era that show that it is possible to catalyze and snowball a smear campaign if the right psychological triggers are pushed. And it does not take much to inflame the gamers. So I would not find it hard to believe in engineered.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 23:50:55 GMT
Well, I just hope that there is not a rallying issue that creates an anti-Anthem propaganda before it’s even released.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 18, 2017 0:28:59 GMT
And I'll repeat again what I said before.
Consumers have a lot of power, but because it's so unfocused in most cases it's not brought to bear in any manner resembling optimal. BF2 was a perfect storm, kinda like ME3's ending.
This isn't something you can reliably trigger or predict in advance.
Are there other games out there deserving of similar criticism? Sure. And they certainly received a fair share of it. But again, BF2 is a perfect storm, the level of backlash seems to have reached a certain "critical mass" if you will, and was sizeable enough for the general media to take notice.
You could say that it's a freak incident. Or the final straw, or something else suitably dramatic.
I think there is a verifiable examples of scandals in both the internet and the pre-internet era that show that it is possible to catalyze and snowball a smear campaign if the right psychological triggers are pushed. And it does not take much to inflame the gamers. So I would not find it hard to believe in engineered. Sometimes gamers can be quick to anger but in this case I am surprised it took them this long to revolt against loot boxes, seriously this has been building for years and while it wasn't so much of a problem in free to play games it started to get far more insidious when they started to get implemented in full retail $60 games (you can thank Mass Effect 3 for that a game released in 2012 making EA the first to adopt Loot Boxes in full retail games), from there EA and other companies kept pushing the limits of what they could get away with with a lot of gamers being quite slow to catch on even defending the practice until it reached tipping point with Star Wars Battlefront 2, personally I think it is more disappointing that it took gamers this long to finally take a stand against it as it was a shitty practice that was only going to get worse way back when it was released in Mass Effect 2. While it is true that there are other companies that are just as bad and deserve the same sort of criticism there is no denying that EA was always the company at the forefront of this and it is only natural that they are going to take the most flak for it. As for this effecting the success of Anthem if Anthem is a good game that does not fall prey to the shitty practices that the game looks like it has been specifically engineered for then I am sure it has nothing to worry about, but at this point nobody trusts EA to not fuck it up and to be honest I don't see why anyone should.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 18, 2017 0:56:38 GMT
and doesn't do anything idiotic with monetization? That is the 600 million dollar question. I think a lot of people are assuming that, if it's an EA title, it will necessarily have something idiotic with MT. While EA has earned the rep, there are mitigating factors I'm (admittedly) clinging to: - So far, there's no evidence of PvP in the game. The stakes for P2W are higher when there is competitive PvP, though they aren't zero if there isn't.
- Tweets from the Bioware devs during the latest visit from EA execs hint at a "we're gamers as well as devs, don't make us look like assholes" posture
- It's a new IP, and therefore no attachment to favored characters or items, and so not as much temptation as there was to, say, put Darth Vader behind a paywall
None of that means Anthem is immune from stupidity, but it does help stack the deck in the right direction.
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