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Post by Sartoz on Nov 18, 2017 1:40:18 GMT
-(_ANTHEM_)-
There was an article in the WSJ (Wall Street Journal) that urged Disney to buy EA.
Maybe now is the time for Disney to act and save their family oriented business. Certainly, a MT heavy Star Wars game is not kid friendly and can ruin that so "clean" image Disney wants to propagate. (🌸=◡=)
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Post by akots on Nov 18, 2017 4:38:08 GMT
and doesn't do anything idiotic with monetization? That is the 600 million dollar question. I think a lot of people are assuming that, if it's an EA title, it will necessarily have something idiotic with MT. While EA has earned the rep, there are mitigating factors I'm (admittedly) clinging to: - So far, there's no evidence of PvP in the game. The stakes for P2W are higher when there is competitive PvP, though they aren't zero if there isn't.
- Tweets from the Bioware devs during the latest visit from EA execs hint at a "we're gamers as well as devs, don't make us look like assholes" posture
- It's a new IP, and therefore no attachment to favored characters or items, and so not as much temptation as there was to, say, put Darth Vader behind a paywall
None of that means Anthem is immune from stupidity, but it does help stack the deck in the right direction.
If Anthem turns out to be a bad game aka Andromeda, nobody cares. However, if it is going to be good, it might still be very well possible. Considering how it turned out in Meda, the optimism is scarce. First, we don't know if Anthem has PvP. It might as well have it, maybe not right away from the start but probably, the option is being considered. Second, Bioware developers, especially upper management, have been openly deceiving everyone around. Common sense things like support, streaming, simple feedback acknowledgement etc have been so much twisted, people feel like talking to a machine lawyer and not some human beings. And making more and more money out of thin air actually requires being an a-hole to some extent. Somebody will sure say that they are just trying to do what their shareholders want. IDK of course, but I am also a shareholder, for example. Every American who has a retirement account is EA shareholder. So what? Third, if the lore is good, there will be temptations. And if the lore is bad, it is probably not worth buying anyhow and the point is also moot. IMO, Anthem might be very thinly spread out in time and may actually last awhile. That gives the options to play around with contents. So, maybe, just maybe, there won't be any paywall due to that. It won't be a wall, it might be pay-steps. Which should be possible to compensate with reasonable time. Nobody is going to play 40 hours to unlock some character that should be there from the start. But if the characters appear gradually over, lets say, 2 months per character, 40 hours does not sound too bad. And I'm sure there will be newcomers or just people who don't particularly care to unlock anything and want to own right away, and that means they will be paying. This means that if the contents is spread out, the pay-wall or pay-step will be less intrusive and less noticeable. They obviously tried to do something similar in Meda and it kind of worked up until patch 6 but then they screwed it all up completely.
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Post by simit on Nov 18, 2017 6:28:40 GMT
Well it a looter/shooter so straight away the drops rng, i'll play hundreds of hours to unlock something if the game mechanics/features engage me enough, 40 hours in a game like Athem trying to be is nothing an yeah microtransactions should be there from the start but done right ie cosmetics, if Anthem gonna be the sort of game us that buy it hope it to be we also hope to still be engaged an actively playing it a few year down the road an sorry but the initial price wee pay for the game well it dont really hack it now does it an thats no to mention us ppl that will all want the best gear, which will be limited, but equally want to look different thus your market for cosmetic microtransactions.
Im no asking anyone to like wat i said, tbh i dont rightly care, im just of the opinion microtransactions have a place in Anthem an BioWare have no giving me any reason to doubt they cant do them right
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 18, 2017 6:38:32 GMT
Is this a victory for the internet group-think hive-mind? Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe yes, because it means that enough negative PR can create pressure for change. It means that coordinated fandom response can curb the worse excesses of greed and exploitation from the industry. Maybe no, in that, like negotiating with terrorists, it sets a precedent that might encourage coordinated attacks solely for ugly purposes. For example, it now becomes reasonable for one competitor to make life hell for another competitor by covertly fomenting an internet shit storm. Sounds like someone is still bitter over MEA.... You mad?
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 18, 2017 6:44:20 GMT
Inquisition, Battlefield 1, Titanfall...the works really. The pattern is not going to change. And yet DAI got better review scores and broke Bioware sales records. Battlefield 1 was seen to be one of the better BF games in a while. So do not try to make preemptive excuses if Anthem fails.
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Post by mmoblitz on Nov 18, 2017 12:51:58 GMT
You can be sure that Activision, Ubisoft, WB and others are watching this debacle closely. With the LB investigations and everything else, I can see them scrambling to come up with some other ways to milk the players that's more acceptable. Just in case things go south...
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You can be sure that Activision, Ubisoft, WB and others are watching this debacle closely. With the LB investigations and everything else, I can see them scrambling to come up with some other ways to milk the players that's more acceptable. Just in case things go south... I think its a guarantee that they're all cooking up contingency plans in case EA manages to make a precedent of themselves.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 18, 2017 13:56:07 GMT
Inquisition, Battlefield 1, Titanfall...the works really. The pattern is not going to change. And yet DAI got better review scores and broke Bioware sales records. Battlefield 1 was seen to be one of the better BF games in a while. So do not try to make preemptive excuses if Anthem fails. I'm not, just pointing out a pattern of behavior the mob employs. It won't be an excuse, it will be a fact.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 18, 2017 14:26:24 GMT
-(_ANTHEM_)-
Reddit posts from BF II gamers that played the game 20hours + confirm a game designed to hook you in with early easy accomplishments. Then 20 hours or so, the progression deliberately starts to crawl. All confirm, credits are play time earned. So, while MT are suspended, game progression mechanics have not. Upgrading one's gear / troopers via loot grates is, apparently, laughable. Content is randomized and more often than not it's crap or duplicates.
So, snail progression of this game is not fixed, unless DICE can significantly improve the chance of getting good gear with the randomize crate system. Increasing the credits earned via timed game play will also help, imo.
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And it just keeps getting better! Click
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 18, 2017 16:24:48 GMT
If you don’t like the video, fine, I only put it up because it notes that Anthem wasn’t nominated for most anticipated game of 2018 and speculates if the Battlefront backlash may have an impact. Seemed topical.
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Post by mmoblitz on Nov 18, 2017 16:35:48 GMT
And it just keeps getting better! ClickHold on a moment, weren't MT supposed to be "needed" for companies to make profit?... That is what I was thinking. However, if it's talking about initial earnings, like during the first couple weeks or month, then turning them off may not have an impact. If they are referring to future earnings, it most certainly will. Either way, this whole thing will end up costing them. How much? Who knows, but they won't ever see the full potential and they have nobody to blame but themselves.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 18, 2017 16:39:52 GMT
If you don’t like the video, fine, I only put it up because it notes that Anthem wasn’t nominated for most anticipated game of 2018 and speculates if the Battlefront backlash may have an impact. Seemed topical. It's mostly because of the punditry involved, kind of baseless speculation that we do. I have to admit I am not a fan of that content from youtube it just leads to misinformation and rumore now a days. Sorry man.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 18, 2017 16:58:36 GMT
And it just keeps getting better! ClickHold on a moment, weren't MT supposed to be "needed" for companies to make profit?... It not about profit, its about making sure the one game is profitable. Personally they don't need microtransactions in Battlefront 2 since it should sell millions of copies, but I could say the same thing about any Call of Duty game or the Shark Cards for GTAV. To me where lootboxes are used to keep a game profitable is something like Andromeda where there is a risk of not recouping development costs. Unfortunately going smaller doesn't mean a game will sell well either, for Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice from what I am reading has either barely broken even or just shy of breaking even based on developer's comments, so that isn't a sure fire way to be profitable either.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 18, 2017 17:01:25 GMT
-(_ANTHEM_)-
There was an article in the WSJ (Wall Street Journal) that urged Disney to buy EA.
Maybe now is the time for Disney to act and save their family oriented business. Certainly, a MT heavy Star Wars game is not kid friendly and can ruin that so "clean" image Disney wants to propagate. (🌸=◡=)
Going by the garbage Disney has been doing of late, I don't think they could fix EA in fact they might encourage more practices that make them worse. Could you imagine if EA games were "In the Vault" like Disney does with their video releases have it only released for a short time without being allowed to go on sale, after that time expires all copies are shipped back to EA where in a year or so they make a big announcement about how the game is now available again for a short time before going back into the vault.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 18, 2017 17:03:30 GMT
I think there is a verifiable examples of scandals in both the internet and the pre-internet era that show that it is possible to catalyze and snowball a smear campaign if the right psychological triggers are pushed. And it does not take much to inflame the gamers. So I would not find it hard to believe in engineered. Sometimes gamers can be quick to anger but in this case I am surprised it took them this long to revolt against loot boxes, seriously this has been building for years and while it wasn't so much of a problem in free to play games it started to get far more insidious when they started to get implemented in full retail $60 games (you can thank Mass Effect 3 for that a game released in 2012 making EA the first to adopt Loot Boxes in full retail games), from there EA and other companies kept pushing the limits of what they could get away with with a lot of gamers being quite slow to catch on even defending the practice until it reached tipping point with Star Wars Battlefront 2, personally I think it is more disappointing that it took gamers this long to finally take a stand against it as it was a shitty practice that was only going to get worse way back when it was released in Mass Effect 2. While it is true that there are other companies that are just as bad and deserve the same sort of criticism there is no denying that EA was always the company at the forefront of this and it is only natural that they are going to take the most flak for it. As for this effecting the success of Anthem if Anthem is a good game that does not fall prey to the shitty practices that the game looks like it has been specifically engineered for then I am sure it has nothing to worry about, but at this point nobody trusts EA to not fuck it up and to be honest I don't see why anyone should. I am pretty sure FIFA had their microtransaction system before Mass Effect 3.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 18, 2017 17:32:30 GMT
Well, I just hope that there is not a rallying issue that creates an anti-Anthem propaganda before it’s even released. News and public opinion can be volatile. Whilst Mass Effect Andromeda wasn't BioWare's best work (in my view) some unfortunate animation memes contributed to a serviceable game getting a pasting at launch. Dragon Age Inquisition, while much stronger in terms of character and plot (particularly in the first half) had its issues, though because those issues didn't become 'the story' leading to launch, the game was well appreciated. However, had the game roll-out gone differently, some of those issues could have caught press attention and made for a rockier launch. So luck does play a part, no game is perfect and it's hard to hide every issue. "My face hurts" was an unfortunate own goal... With Anthem, there's very little information to rail against, though EA's economy management makes for distrust out of the gate. BioWare will need to show some transparency ahead of launch about its economy to avoid heat, and for some players of the 'fuck EA' mindset, nothing will redeem Anthem for them, even at this early stage.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 18, 2017 17:33:38 GMT
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PCWorld has the best hands-on review of BFII, I've read so far. Not pretty. Makes me wonder what the authors of the other game review magazines were smoking.
(1) Campaign underwhelms and we have Luke wielding his saber against beetles! (2) MP has serious play issues even without MTs. Maps are gorgeous but DICE needs to make additional balance changes in MP. link: www.pcworld.com/article/3237788/gaming/star-wars-battlefront-ii-review.html(🌸=◡=)
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 18, 2017 18:00:57 GMT
And yet DAI got better review scores and broke Bioware sales records. Battlefield 1 was seen to be one of the better BF games in a while. So do not try to make preemptive excuses if Anthem fails. I'm not, just pointing out a pattern of behavior the mob employs. It won't be an excuse, it will be a fact. No, it seems like you are trying to be preemptive and in a way, ignoring the true topic at hand which is EA and MTs and how it could effect Anthem. Right now SWBF2 is being killed and instead of focusing on EA business strategy and how it could impact us with Anthem, you shift gears and talk about the "mob behavior" of the fans/internet as it is our fault that SWBF2 had a sorry progression system. EA PR/Marketing would approve of your comment. You are so desperate to look out for Bioware that you are willing to defend EA. Thats all your comment boils down to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 18:35:24 GMT
If you don’t like the video, fine, I only put it up because it notes that Anthem wasn’t nominated for most anticipated game of 2018 and speculates if the Battlefront backlash may have an impact. Seemed topical. It's mostly because of the punditry involved, kind of baseless speculation that we do. I have to admit I am not a fan of that content from youtube it just leads to misinformation and rumore now a days. Sorry man. Yes, and also feels like the campaign against Anthem is already brewing on the Internetia. Honestly, at this point I am finding it hard to believe that there is no foul play.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 18, 2017 18:47:47 GMT
You are so desperate to look out for Bioware that you are willing to defend EA. Thats all your comment boils down to. Can we calm down the inflammatory supposition of what other posters may believe or be motivated by, please. By all means, share your own perspectives. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/rJP0OwNvhHtDtXRlQRJW.png)
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 18, 2017 18:57:34 GMT
You are so desperate to look out for Bioware that you are willing to defend EA. Thats all your comment boils down to. Can we calm down the inflammatory supposition of what other posters may believe or be motivated by, please. By all means, share your own perspectives. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/rJP0OwNvhHtDtXRlQRJW.png) Well what I say is harsh but not attacking anyone or offending anyone. Bottom line is that after seeing how MEA was affected by internet backlash, a lot of core Bioware fans seems suspicious/worrisome about how this could happen again with Anthem and even DA4 dowm the road. My argument is that it is because of the actions of EA that is causing this....not the fans and to call this a mob behavior is to completely ignore what this "mob" is so upset about....which is EA's business strategy. So instead of questioning EA, some people just point the fingers at the fans.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 18, 2017 19:01:03 GMT
If you don’t like the video, fine, I only put it up because it notes that Anthem wasn’t nominated for most anticipated game of 2018 and speculates if the Battlefront backlash may have an impact. Seemed topical. Are you really that surprised people aren't looking forward to Anthem? After everything we have heard with the game going for a Destiny like model combined with EA's reputation for microtransactions and how this game looks like it was made specifically with those systems in mind do you really blame people for not putting this game on their most anticipated list?
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