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Post by Sartoz on Dec 9, 2017 13:11:53 GMT
And you don't see a problem with the fact that you may be throwing different people with different opinions to the same bag? Still, one thing doesn't necessarily excludes another. The fact that Andromea got lower scores from reviewers doesn't change the fact that trolldom was at force trying to find any possible problem in Andromeda even way before it was released. It's hard to deny the fact that there's a portion of people to whom hating on something or someone is pretty much 'in fashion', and it's not just something that touches Bioware. No, I have no problem with that. While there was a lot of hate for Bioware, it's another thing entirely to suggest that hate influences things like review scores, lack of awards, and other stuff. Saying there's a lot of hate is fine, extrapolating that further is when we start getting into UFO territory -(_ANTHEM_)-
Somehow, I never got the hate vibe around here. Critical yes but hate? ... no... I was more disappointed that Bio would put out such an unpolished game (Andromeda ). 🌸
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 9, 2017 13:23:19 GMT
I think Anthem will absolutely feature in 'Early Access'.
Though it will have had a beta before that so surely it would be 'ready'.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 9, 2017 14:02:16 GMT
I think Anthem will absolutely feature in 'Early Access'. Though it will have had a beta before that so surely it would be 'ready'. I bet they will do the 10 Day EA/Origin Access since I bet they use that money to cover the bandwidth costs, but if they do anything more then that I would expect it to have large chunks of the game cut out to minimize the bandwidth costs.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 9, 2017 14:07:52 GMT
Now Dragon Age: Inquisition is the first game when I have gone back to look at the games nominated because I do get tired of people claiming that 2014 was objectively bad for games and I will then list the other games that were nominated for I enjoyed a couple of those as well, other then that I don't think I really mention awards. Well to be fair I never said that 2014 was objectively a bad year for games, and I don't know if I would even go as far to say it was a bad year as there were games I did enjoy that year, however I do feel it was a comparatively weak year when compared to similar years, I don't know how common that opinion is, I know it probably isn't one you share but it is certainly what I feel, in fact going back over previous years winners I would probably even go so far to say it may even be one of the weakest if not the weakest year of the current decade.
Now putting our personal enjoyment aside just out of curiosity do you really honestly see Inquisition winning in any of those years or even getting nominated? For my money I would say maybe 2012 but then 2012 is a pretty close rival with 2014 for being the weakest year of the decade so far. My problem isn't that people don't like Inquisition for I really don't care, its claiming it is an universal truth that it only won award because it was a bad year for games. I never claimed it was the best game ever made my argument is against blasting every other game released in 2014 at "not a good game" I could say that about a lot of those games. Just like I could claim 2015 The Witcher 3 only won because "no other good games were released that year" for I didn't like any of those other games you listed and doubt they stand up to a game like GTAV, I would also say that I think Alien: Isolation and Shadow of Mordor were better then MSGV, FO4, and Bloodbourne for they were different then other games or brought new mechanics never included before and playing those other games gave me Deja Vu. What you are bringing up doesn't mean anything to what I am saying because I really don't care what people think of Inquisition its about the other games released that year that have become dismissed out of how people feel about Inquisition. Edit: A formatting change.
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Post by hammerstorm on Dec 9, 2017 15:23:03 GMT
One criticism of both games: Bioware, do we really need so many deserts?!? Is that you Anakin? Reference Note: Yes, I know that a desert don't need to be sand.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 9, 2017 15:49:01 GMT
Got to love companies exploiting a situation so they can get more people attracted to their products. It's good marketing.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 9, 2017 16:17:51 GMT
Just like I could claim 2015 The Witcher 3 only won because "no other good games were released that year" You could but the question is would you? Not interested in hypotheticals or your personal opinion on the games but an honest assessment of the voting habits of the GOTY panelists, for instance I think Last of Us is incredibly overrated but it is no surprise to me that it won so many GOTY awards There are a few things you can pretty much guarantee when it comes to GOTY awards, the games that generate the most buzz are the ones that will appear in GOTY nominations, industry darlings like Naughty Dog, Bethesda and Rockstar (especially if it is a GTA game) will always do well and will probably always get a spot in any year they release, Nintendo especially if it is 3D Mario or Zelda game, it is why you can pretty much guarantee that in the year of it's release (unless it is so unbelievably bad that it causes a Battlefront 2 like meltdown) Death Stranding will appear among the nominations for GOTY. I mean say what you want about MGSV or Fallout 4 but these games were always going to generate a ton of buzz and be tough contenders to beat for GOTY no matter what year they were released, the fact that Witcher 3 beat them both kind of says something. However if you put Inquisition in any other year do you really see it having much of a chance?
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 9, 2017 16:19:15 GMT
Got to love companies exploiting a situation so they can get more people attracted to their products. It's good marketing. Keeps telling me the video is unavailable, anyone got a link to another copy or a basic summary?
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 9, 2017 16:49:59 GMT
Got to love companies exploiting a situation so they can get more people attracted to their products. It's good marketing. Not the first time, nor the last. Gaming industry does have a long tradition of dissing the competition for the sake of marketing #segadoeswhatnintendont
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 9, 2017 17:56:57 GMT
Got to love companies exploiting a situation so they can get more people attracted to their products. It's good marketing. Not the first time, nor the last. Gaming industry does have a long tradition of dissing the competition for the sake of marketing #segadoeswhatnintendont True, but the marketing wizard that came up with that total win-win Bethesda vid deserves a bonus, while the marketing fucktard that came up with, "The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes," should be shot, hung from the yard arm, keel hauled, tarred and feathered, drawn and quartered, and given a very stern talking to.
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Post by Amirit on Dec 9, 2017 17:59:42 GMT
Gandalf the Fabulous That would be like explaining a joke - pointless. The gist of it - Bethesda in a fanny manner is promising to keep single player games market alive and well. (Can not imagine why would youtube block such a video for any country).
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 9, 2017 18:34:26 GMT
Not the first time, nor the last. Gaming industry does have a long tradition of dissing the competition for the sake of marketing #segadoeswhatnintendont True, but the marketing wizard that came up with that total win-win Bethesda vid deserves a bonus, while the marketing fucktard that came up with, "The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes," should be shot, hung from the yard arm, keel hauled, tarred and feathered, drawn and quartered, and given a very stern talking to. Yea, I have no idea what EA is doing, not investing in new PR/marketing department, because they seriously need changes on that front that's been long overdue. I'm not sure if BF2 dumpsterfire could've been saved at any front, but at least they wouldn't embarrass themselves as much as they did and wouldn't end as much of a launching platform for other companies that use it as great opportunity to market their own products. Ouch.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 9, 2017 18:35:53 GMT
Got to love companies exploiting a situation so they can get more people attracted to their products. It's good marketing. Bethesda do know a thing or two about marketing. Their 'anti-Nazi' campaign for Wolfenstein II was total genius.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 9, 2017 19:01:36 GMT
Got to love companies exploiting a situation so they can get more people attracted to their products. It's good marketing. Bethesda do know a thing or two about marketing. Their 'anti-Nazi' campaign for Wolfenstein II was total genius. I dunno I think that ad might have pissed more people off than it attracted, however I gotta admit despite not being big on single player linear FPS games some of their other ads for this game did paint an interesting picture of Nazi occupied America, still wish I could get my hands on those Elite Hans action figures.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 9, 2017 19:39:21 GMT
Got to love companies exploiting a situation so they can get more people attracted to their products. It's good marketing. Yeah , it's rather hilarious to see all the virtue signaling... "Lootboxes? MT? MP-only? Games as a service? We never even heard of those..." The upside is that this is a sign that the pressure is actually working. Successfully stigmatizing these practices is a much needed step. I don’t think EA actually knows what to do about Battlefront 2 at this point. I’m hopefully about how this will affect their approach to non-sports game monetization in the future.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 9, 2017 19:45:25 GMT
Got to love companies exploiting a situation so they can get more people attracted to their products. It's good marketing. Yeah , it's rather hilarious to see all the virtue signaling... "Lootboxes? MT? MP-only? Games as a service? We never even heard of those..." The upside is that this is a sign that the pressure is actually working. I don't mind seeing other developers taking pot shots at EA, however there are some developers that probably do need to be a little bit cautious before taking pot shots at others with how fragile glass houses can be, not sure how clean Bethesda's hands are with the whole creation club thing looming over them.
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Post by river82 on Dec 9, 2017 19:55:30 GMT
Gandalf the Fabulous That would be like explaining a joke - pointless. The gist of it - Bethesda in a fanny manner is promising to keep single player games market alive and well. JRPGs do the same, why should they get credit for this? I'd give them credit if they stopped shitting all over the Fallout universe, but I doubt that will stop anytime soon ...
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 9, 2017 19:57:18 GMT
Yeah , it's rather hilarious to see all the virtue signaling... "Lootboxes? MT? MP-only? Games as a service? We never even heard of those..." The upside is that this is a sign that the pressure is actually working. Successfully stigmatizing these practices is a much needed step. I don’t think EA actually knows what to do about Battlefront 2 at this point. I’m hopefully about how this will affect their approach to non-sports game monetization in the future. Battlefront 2 may already be a lost cause, I think the damage has already been done and the only thing EA can do now is use it as a learning experience for their next game, I guess time will tell whether or not the lessons they learnt were the right ones if they learned anything at all.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 9, 2017 20:03:31 GMT
For a 'lootbox' to be a dirty word is helpful.
The moment new games reveal they contain 'lootboxes' will trigger a media hog-pile.
And I suspect that penny is dropping...
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 9, 2017 20:05:27 GMT
Gandalf the Fabulous That would be like explaining a joke - pointless. The gist of it - Bethesda in a fanny manner is promising to keep single player games market alive and well. JRPGs do the same, why should they get credit for this? I'd give them credit if they stopped shitting all over the Fallout universe, but I doubt that will stop anytime soon ... Yeah it does seem rather silly making a fuss making out "single player games are dying", apart from EA I can't recall seeing many other publishers or developers making aggressive shifts away from single player gaming, pretty sure single player games were never going away anytime soon.
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Post by river82 on Dec 9, 2017 20:06:41 GMT
For a 'lootbox' to be a dirty word is helpful. The moment new games reveal they contain 'lootboxes' will trigger a media hog-pile. And I suspect that penny is dropping... As it's the Christmas season I'd also include "Santa's stocking"
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 9, 2017 20:19:07 GMT
Yeah , it's rather hilarious to see all the virtue signaling... "Lootboxes? MT? MP-only? Games as a service? We never even heard of those..." The upside is that this is a sign that the pressure is actually working. I don't mind seeing other developers taking pot shots at EA, however there are some developers that probably do need to be a little bit cautious before taking pot shots at others with how fragile glass houses can be, not sure how clean Bethesda's hands are with the whole creation club thing looming over them. I still take the "unprofessional" route on this. But when Bethesda screws up I guess turnabout is fair play in the end?
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Post by river82 on Dec 9, 2017 20:21:14 GMT
I still take the "unprofessional" route on this. But when Bethesda screws up I guess turnabout is fair play in the end? It's going to happen. They've been pushing paid mods for 2-3 years now and they're not going to drop the idea. They see the potential dollar signs and it's a hard thing to ignore
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 9, 2017 20:23:27 GMT
I still take the "unprofessional" route on this. But when Bethesda screws up I guess turnabout is fair play in the end? It's going to happen. They've been pushing paid mods for 2-3 years now and they're not going to drop the idea. They see the potential dollar signs and it's a hard thing to ignore That's kind of my point though, we shouldn't have to see other companies spend marketing dollars to poke fun at their competition. I just find that stuff juvenile.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 9, 2017 20:34:25 GMT
It's going to happen. They've been pushing paid mods for 2-3 years now and they're not going to drop the idea. They see the potential dollar signs and it's a hard thing to ignore That's kind of my point though, we shouldn't have to see other companies spend marketing dollars to poke fun at their competition. I just find that stuff juvenile. I's been juvenile for a while now. As I mentioned before gaming industry has a long history of taking more or less subtle potshots at one another. I mean... at the very least this now is mostly targeting adult audience, because not that long ago this stuff was (pretty insidiously IMO) targeting kids and spurring console wars.
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