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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 18:33:37 GMT
If Andromeda came out on N7 Day , would the game be much better ? , Than we have DLC's a few months later , good reviews for the game ?
What do you all think ?....
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 5, 2017 18:38:38 GMT
What makes you think EA did not have any say in this?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 18:40:53 GMT
What makes you think EA did not have any say in this? why won't bioware leave EA ?
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 5, 2017 18:44:17 GMT
What makes you think EA did not have any say in this? why won't bioware leave EA ? Bioware can't leave EA, they are essentially owned by them.
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 5, 2017 18:47:20 GMT
What makes you think EA did not have any say in this? why won't bioware leave EA ? EA owns them at this point, literally. BioWare can't leave unless EA wants to sell the company to somebody else, or if all the employees want to quit and create a new company under a new name(which they can advertise as being "former BioWare employees"). My understanding is that after Jade Empire didn't do so hot commercially and Dragon Age: Origins had development that was dragging on BioWare was in trouble financially and selling themselves to a major publisher was how they stayed afloat. As far as Andromeda goes and the OP, it's kind of a "yes and no" answer. The game had 5 years to be developed which should have been more than enough time, but they proceeded to waste most of that time on a technology that wasn't going to work and ultimately ended up being scrapped. From what we've heard post-launch from people involved in development, the game we got was developed in about a year and a half.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 5, 2017 18:57:31 GMT
What makes you think EA did not have any say in this? why won't bioware leave EA ? Biowaer can't walk away from EA because EA owns them now.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Nov 5, 2017 19:10:18 GMT
My understanding is that after Jade Empire didn't do so hot commercially and Dragon Age: Origins had development that was dragging on BioWare was in trouble financially and selling themselves to a major publisher was how they stayed afloat. This is the heart of the story. This is how we got here.
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Post by abaris on Nov 5, 2017 22:10:01 GMT
why won't bioware leave EA ? Oh, please. Tell me you're not that naive.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 5, 2017 22:39:04 GMT
why won't bioware leave EA ? Bioware can't leave EA, they are essentially owned by them. EA is kinda like the Sarlaac that way.
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Post by traks on Nov 5, 2017 23:25:02 GMT
If Andromeda came out on N7 Day , would the game be much better ? , Than we have DLC's a few months later , good reviews for the game ? What do you all think ?....Me thinks: It is what it is.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 5, 2017 23:28:45 GMT
Personally I don't think it was rushed per se but it could have used longer in it's polishing state in my opinion as it would have led to less bugs on launch but other than that no
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 5, 2017 23:45:04 GMT
I don't think it was rushed, since the release date actually got pushed back a few months as it is from late Fall 2016 to early Spring 2017.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 6, 2017 1:02:12 GMT
My understanding is that after Jade Empire didn't do so hot commercially and Dragon Age: Origins had development that was dragging on BioWare was in trouble financially and selling themselves to a major publisher was how they stayed afloat. This is the heart of the story. This is how we got here. They essentially made a pact with the Devil. Now look at them....
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Nov 6, 2017 1:14:01 GMT
This is the heart of the story. This is how we got here. They essentially made a pact with the Devil. Now look at them.... Those words were used often on the old forum. I used them myself, more than once. The writing has been on the wall for a while now. What are the odds on BioWare's deadpool?
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 6, 2017 1:16:41 GMT
They essentially made a pact with the Devil. Now look at them.... Those words were used often on the old forum. I used them myself, more than once. The writing has been on the wall for a while now. What are the odds on BioWare's deadpool? I think Anthem is the "last line of defense" for Bioware. If Anthem fails, I am not sure if they recover. Given that EA wants a push for more MP content in all their games and given all the time, money, resources that goes into Anthem.....if it ends up being a dud, we could see Bioware share the same fate as all the other studios that were dissolved under EA.
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Post by river82 on Nov 6, 2017 2:03:01 GMT
Those words were used often on the old forum. I used them myself, more than once. The writing has been on the wall for a while now. What are the odds on BioWare's deadpool? I think Anthem is the "last line of defense" for Bioware. If Anthem fails, I am not sure if they recover. Given that EA wants a push for more MP content in all their games and given all the time, money, resources that goes into Anthem.....if it ends up being a dud, we could see Bioware share the same fate as all the other studios that were dissolved under EA. Can't see Anthem failing though, from everything we've seen it looks like it'll be a pretty decent (multiplayer) third person shooter ... with quests and stuff. If you like that kind of game it'll probably entertain you. It's likely to do pretty well, it just won't be a game for me
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 6, 2017 6:02:20 GMT
This is the heart of the story. This is how we got here. They essentially made a pact with the Devil. Now look at them.... *shrugs* I'll take this version of Bio over dead Bio, anytime.
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Post by samhain444 on Nov 6, 2017 6:50:49 GMT
"Pact with the devil.." Holy crap, such drama queens. They partnered with Pandemic that was invested in by a private equity fund that EA bought out in 2007, two years after it was formed. Ten years, folks, they've been EA's property with them producing some of the best games on the market. www.gamespot.com/articles/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m/1100-6180818/Pact with the devil...hilarious
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 6, 2017 7:03:12 GMT
"Pact with the devil.." Holy crap, such drama queens. They partnered with Pandemic that was invested in by a private equity fund that EA bought out in 2007, two years after it was formed. Ten years, folks, they've been EA's property with them producing some of the best games on the market. www.gamespot.com/articles/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m/1100-6180818/Pact with the devil...hilarious Thank you! Someone remembered their past for a moment. Although one adjustment to that timeline, The first Mass Effect was released while they were under Elevation Partners. The release of the game was a major financial drain despite being a success...EA buying the Corp gave them two things: money to finish Dragon Age, and Money to start Mass Effect 2. So without the EA buyout, it's very likely the company wouldn't exist. People forget that BioWare and Pandemic were in financial trouble, which is why they partnered up to begin with.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 6, 2017 7:54:36 GMT
One man's "rushed" is another man's "confident saunter to deadline."
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Post by abaris on Nov 6, 2017 11:57:27 GMT
Can't see Anthem failing though, from everything we've seen it looks like it'll be a pretty decent (multiplayer) third person shooter ... with quests and stuff. If you like that kind of game it'll probably entertain you. It's likely to do pretty well, it just won't be a game for me Yeah, but games like that are legion. They need to keep the franchise alive and kicking for years to make ends meet. Not a bunch of people buying and shelving it after one playthrough. They venture into uncharted territory as far as their company history is concerned.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 6, 2017 12:24:12 GMT
Can't see Anthem failing though, from everything we've seen it looks like it'll be a pretty decent (multiplayer) third person shooter ... with quests and stuff. If you like that kind of game it'll probably entertain you. It's likely to do pretty well, it just won't be a game for me Yeah, but games like that are legion. They need to keep the franchise alive and kicking for years to make ends meet. Not a bunch of people buying and shelving it after one playthrough. They venture into uncharted territory as far as their company history is concerned. Not really uncharted territory, but definitely a highly competitive market with limited players. Sure there's always loads of people looking for a good MP game, but that doesn't make them neccessarily stick to a game they bought and they don't like it. But I guess it'll still sell better than Lawbreakers, just because it's EA and a big marketing cash bonfire.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 6, 2017 13:32:51 GMT
without the EA buyout, it's very likely the company wouldn't exist. People forget that BioWare and Pandemic were in financial trouble, which is why they partnered up to begin with. And STILL Bioware is not immune to closure the same way Maxis, Pandemic, Visceral and other studios are. Bioware may be alive today, but EA has a tight grip on the creative direction of their games, a grip that Bioware never had when they were an independent studio. Exhibit A: If it were up to Bioware, MEA probably would have had a fall 2017 release date. However because EA has their hand in the cookie jar, that didnt happen and we all know how the rest of the story goes. MEA was rushed.....by EA. DA2 was rushed....by EA.
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Post by goishen on Nov 6, 2017 13:50:57 GMT
I don't blame EA for this. Don't get me wrong, they are still the Vader to the story. But like Vader, there's only one of them. And also like Vader, they will make scary speeches and threaten people. Occasionally, they will fire people. But like Daryl says in TWD, "The boogey man ain't shit." Meaning that if you can see your enemy, he's a whole lot less scary than your imaginings of him.
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Post by azarhal on Nov 6, 2017 14:26:58 GMT
"Pact with the devil.." Holy crap, such drama queens. They partnered with Pandemic that was invested in by a private equity fund that EA bought out in 2007, two years after it was formed. Ten years, folks, they've been EA's property with them producing some of the best games on the market. www.gamespot.com/articles/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m/1100-6180818/Pact with the devil...hilarious Thank you! Someone remembered their past for a moment. Although one adjustment to that timeline, The first Mass Effect was released while they were under Elevation Partners. The release of the game was a major financial drain despite being a success...EA buying the Corp gave them two things: money to finish Dragon Age, and Money to start Mass Effect 2. So without the EA buyout, it's very likely the company wouldn't exist. People forget that BioWare and Pandemic were in financial trouble, which is why they partnered up to begin with. A small error there. Mass Effect was funded and published by Microsoft, not Elevation Partners, and EA bought the rights back in 2008. Also, until BioWare games start to be financial flops (even MEA generated a profit going by EA financial reports), EA isn't going to close them down. EA didn't close down Visceral just because of them not being able to make a game in 5 years, they closed them down because in the last ~10 years their only profitable games were Battlefield games.
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