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Post by Enigmaticks on Sept 29, 2016 23:21:09 GMT
. Well I'm Croation, and my last name got deliberately mutilated by the other kids in what I look back now as admittedly amusing ways. It didn't scar me for life or anything. Ok?
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Post by SalMasRac on Sept 30, 2016 0:31:11 GMT
Well I'm Croation, and my last name got deliberately mutilated by the other kids in what I look back now as admittedly amusing ways. It didn't scar me for life or anything. Ok? Work on that Post:Like Ratio, buddy
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Post by Shinobu on Sept 30, 2016 0:32:08 GMT
Work on that Post:Like Ratio, buddy I'm on it.
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Post by Nightman on Sept 30, 2016 2:06:24 GMT
Do you know what race offends me? Cardassians.
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Post by Shinobu on Sept 30, 2016 3:39:12 GMT
Obligatory Avenue Q link:
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Post by Teabaggin Krogan on Sept 30, 2016 9:06:33 GMT
Do you know what race offends me? Cardassians. Me too! Oh wait, I misread that as Kardashians.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 30, 2016 9:09:38 GMT
Do you know what race offends me? Cardassians. And I thought it was pineapple pizza eaters. *munch, munch*
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Post by Deerber on Sept 30, 2016 10:45:01 GMT
Do you know what race offends me? Cardassians. And I thought it was pineapple pizza eaters. *munch, munch* Those ain't a "race" in the sense usually meant for the term. They're just random animals
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 30, 2016 10:53:13 GMT
And I thought it was pineapple pizza eaters. *munch, munch* Those ain't a "race" in the sense usually meant for the term. They're just random animals Yes, they are. Proof: I hear pineapple pizza and I'm ready to race!
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Sept 30, 2016 12:45:31 GMT
Yummmmm pineapple pizza
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 14:31:59 GMT
Amazingly, this is even more confusing for Russophones.
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Post by Nightman on Sept 30, 2016 18:22:07 GMT
Do you know what race offends me? Cardassians. Me too! Oh wait, I misread that as Kardashians. That's funny you said that... a few weeks ago, I was watching an episode of Deep Space 9, my brother walked by my room and he heard the crew arguing about the cardassians and he took 2 steps back and said to me " Why are you watching Keeping Up With The Kardashians? " ..........
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 30, 2016 18:59:55 GMT
Personally I see the "Stanry Roo" thing in two ways:
1. The initial ridicule of a mod for his heavy handed moderation. He was hardly unique in that though, so you need something to latch on to and make it catchy because this is the internet and funny doesn't have to mean funny but "catchy" can mean funny. And funny was required because without it, the only thing you really have is calling Woo a motherfucker and getting banned for it. What's the point of that? But if you make it funny, you at least get other people on your side and have a good time. Was it racist? Yes, but the intent was not racism itself but rather an attack on the person using whatever traction they could get (and whether it was actually mean spirited or more played for laughs is another debate).
2. The resulting parodies and/or meme status of it all. At this point the meme has almost nothing to do with Woo himself. It's a meme which means it exists for its own sake to be endlessly parroted on the internet, by people who neither know nor care about its origin.
While 1 can be condemned 2 is what's being propagated and 2 is just internet nonsense like every other meme. I don't believe that's worth getting worked up over.
And personally I kind of mourn the ruination of "End of Line". As you can tell, I like TRON and "End of Line" would normally be a pretty sweet signoff- unfortunately it was ruined by effectively becoming the tagline to Bioware's censorship for a time.
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Post by Shinobu on Sept 30, 2016 23:26:17 GMT
And I thought it was pineapple pizza eaters. *munch, munch* Those ain't a "race" in the sense usually meant for the term. They're just random animals I resemble that remark! More pineapple pizza in the world for me, OneWomanArmy and catastrophy!
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Post by Nightman on Sept 30, 2016 23:51:20 GMT
Do you know what this thread needs? More videos of dancing female asian videogame nerdz.......
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Post by Shinobu on Sept 30, 2016 23:56:50 GMT
Personally I see the "Stanry Roo" thing in two ways: 1. The initial ridicule of a mod for his heavy handed moderation. He was hardly unique in that though, so you need something to latch on to and make it catchy because this is the internet and funny doesn't have to mean funny but "catchy" can mean funny. And funny was required because without it, the only thing you really have is calling Woo a motherfucker and getting banned for it. What's the point of that? But if you make it funny, you at least get other people on your side and have a good time. Was it racist? Yes, but the intent was not racism itself but rather an attack on the person using whatever traction they could get (and whether it was actually mean spirited or more played for laughs is another debate). Cynically using racism to get traction against an authority figure who is a minority? Sounds legit...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 0:16:36 GMT
Personally I see the "Stanry Roo" thing in two ways: 1. The initial ridicule of a mod for his heavy handed moderation. He was hardly unique in that though, so you need something to latch on to and make it catchy because this is the internet and funny doesn't have to mean funny but "catchy" can mean funny. And funny was required because without it, the only thing you really have is calling Woo a motherfucker and getting banned for it. What's the point of that? But if you make it funny, you at least get other people on your side and have a good time. Was it racist? Yes, but the intent was not racism itself but rather an attack on the person using whatever traction they could get (and whether it was actually mean spirited or more played for laughs is another debate). Cynically using racism to get traction against an authority figure who is a minority? Sounds legit... please put that NSFW image under a spoiler, I don't want my boss to walk by and see me looking at pictures of dicks during company hours
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 1, 2016 1:24:02 GMT
Those ain't a "race" in the sense usually meant for the term. They're just random animals I resemble that remark! More pineapple pizza in the world for me, OneWomanArmy and catastrophy! Pineapple! Pineapple! Pineapple! I want to eat my Pineapple! Pineapple! Pineapple! I want to eat my Pineapple I want to eat my ananas I want to eat my Pineapple I want to eat it every day
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Post by Shinobu on Oct 1, 2016 1:57:03 GMT
please put that NSFW image under a spoiler, I don't want my boss to walk by and see me looking at pictures of dicks during company hours Have I told you today how much I respect and admire you? Consider it done.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 1, 2016 4:18:31 GMT
Personally I see the "Stanry Roo" thing in two ways: 1. The initial ridicule of a mod for his heavy handed moderation. He was hardly unique in that though, so you need something to latch on to and make it catchy because this is the internet and funny doesn't have to mean funny but "catchy" can mean funny. And funny was required because without it, the only thing you really have is calling Woo a motherfucker and getting banned for it. What's the point of that? But if you make it funny, you at least get other people on your side and have a good time. Was it racist? Yes, but the intent was not racism itself but rather an attack on the person using whatever traction they could get (and whether it was actually mean spirited or more played for laughs is another debate). Cynically using racism to get traction against an authority figure who is a minority? Sounds legit... Like I said, two ways. You only bothered to quote one. But if you want to remain offended, I can't stop you.
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Post by Shinobu on Oct 1, 2016 14:03:42 GMT
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 1, 2016 15:30:20 GMT
This thread took an unexpected turn to reality. And has not disappointed. I despised Stanley. My first ban was ridiculous, and was all about flexing. So, I jumped on to the bashing. However, I trained Kung Fu most of my childhood and young adult life, eventually ending up living with Master Gin Foon Mark as his closed-door disciple. I have celebrated Asian culture my entire life, and so it always felt "weird" making fun of somebody on the grounds of their "asian"-ness. The PC world can be absurd, and a giant killjoy, but the thrust behind it is good even if it's application often fails. It is a challenge to rip on people purely for intellectual faults, because that takes more context of the individual. That is almost impossible on the Internet, and thus why racism and moronicity thrive in the dark places. This is not a dark place, and this has been a good discussion. I feel like the new BSN may have just grown up a pants size
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Post by Shinobu on Oct 1, 2016 16:09:30 GMT
This thread took an unexpected turn to reality. And has not disappointed. I despised Stanley. My first ban was ridiculous, and was all about flexing. So, I jumped on to the bashing. However, I trained Kung Fu most of my childhood and young adult life, eventually ending up living with Master Gin Foon Mark as his closed-door disciple. I have celebrated Asian culture my entire life, and so it always felt "weird" making fun of somebody on the grounds of their "asian"-ness. The PC world can be absurd, and a giant killjoy, but the thrust behind it is good even if it's application often fails. It is a challenge to rip on people purely for intellectual faults, because that takes more context of the individual. That is almost impossible on the Internet, and thus why racism and moronicity thrive in the dark places. This is not a dark place, and this has been a good discussion. I feel like the new BSN may have just grown up a pants size Ha ha, I've just changed my subheading to include "a giant killjoy." Yeah, I'm pretty PC and we had a talk at work about "microaggressions." One of them was "have you ever asked a man to pick up something heavy when a woman was in the room also? That's a microaggression against the guy because you're presuming he's good at lifting things based only on his gender." That was thought provoking because at first everyone went "wait, what?" and then thought about it some more and was like "ok, fair enough." Everyone gets judged, everyone has implicit bias for or against others. The main thing is to be aware of it and try to correct it when we feel our actions are unconsciously counter to our values. This new forum is still in the honeymoon period where we are all being quite civil to each other. Once Andromeda comes out and we have an influx of new people, who knows what will happen? Maybe we should build a wall!
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 1, 2016 18:10:33 GMT
When Andromeda comes out, we will actually have to focus on the game and players and each other, because the mods are more generally tolerant with no vested interest other than community and fun.
It will be nice to be able to say something sucks, and have a discussion about it without fear of the thread being shutdown.
However, BiowareMod002 did have a point, whether that account is genuine or no. Moderating this forum will become more difficult over time as it grows, simply due to size, but I think we have a strong enough body of thinkers in the non-moderating community that can "moderate" most situations themselves for the most part.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 1, 2016 18:55:03 GMT
Ok, firstly, becoming a meme actually can have negative effects on the person in the meme. So even if it has "almost nothing to do with Woo himself" for all the people who use it, it may have effects on him. That's cyberbullying. (Damn, now I'm going to have to consider my own use of memes...) Here is a link on what it is like to become a meme: www.vice.com/read/what-happens-to-people-when-they-become-a-meme-078Yeah none of the people in that article had much of a negative reaction beyond a mild dislike of the effect. Hell one of them even sought it out to get an A on his project, the other was a social experiment. I also think it's disingenuous to lump being a meme with going viral. The two are related, but not the same. The worst example of that article, the Interior Semiotics I would argue is not a meme. It went viral and went through the 4chan grinder. Internet infamous yes, meme no. There is also a difference between private individuals who get their photos/videos leaked online and torn to shreds in the hands of the darker parts of the internet (which BSN at its worst never even scratched the surface of, let's be honest) and public figures who get satirized based on their actions. Despite the racist filter, Woo was not attacked personally, or if he was, that's entirely separate from the meme which deals primarily with his frivolous banning. Even though Woo used his real name as it was his job at the time, the meme is a reflection of an online persona, not the man himself. Similarly, the "shiva kid" or the "scumbag guy" or similar image memes that use somebody's likeness use that specific image at their core, and are not about that individual person. Unless the individual is specifically being targeted for harassment, I do not agree that it should have any negative impact on the subject of the meme. Also, here are links to the Washington Redskins controversy: i.e., just because most of society has forgotten the origins of something doesn't mean it's ok. Actually that's exactly what it means. I trust you saw the mention of polls as recent as this year that suggest the majority of people, including a majority of polled Native Americans aren't bothered by it. I'm not going to get into whether they were conducted properly. But why is that I wonder? Is it because Native Americans identify as "redskins" or consider that a negative term? Personally I'm not even sure why "redskin" is a term for Native Americans as outside of cartoons, none of the Native Americans I've seen on TV or real life have been particularly red. Same with you Asians actually. You don't look yellow to me at all. Come to think of it white people aren't white either. What's going on here? But the real point is words are arbitrary. One word is not inherently better or worse than another and a word by itself doesn't matter. It's just sound. It's the meaning behind words that matter and the meaning comes from people. And the assignment of meaning to specific words is also arbitrary, assigned by convention. We just decided one day that the sound "red" meant lightwaves of length ~ 700–635 nm being reflected at ~ 430–480 THz off of stuff (apologies to linguist and etymologists for butchering the evolution of language to make my point). It'd be weird but if we collectively really wanted to, we could change our convention so that "red" now refers to lightwaves of length ~ 635–590 nm being reflected at ~ 480–510 THz off of stuff (orange btw). Who's to say we're wrong? Now say "red" didn't mean red but meant something bad. And over time, or as the result of some major change, we forgot what the bad thing red used to refer to was but now thought it'd make a smashing word to use for light at 700-635 nm and all that jazz? Why shouldn't we use it? It's just sound. The meaning behind it, what made it bad would be gone gone. It's a net positive that we have a neat new word for a frequency of light instead of whatever bad thing it denoted before. So it can only be a net positive if "redskin" denotes a kickass football team instead of an ethnic slur (OK, I don't football at all but even if the Redskins suck, the point stands) No, forgetting the original meaning of a currently negative word isn't just OK, it may be the only way to remove that negativity for good. Existing ethnic slurs were created because racists wanted words to denote and espouse all the hate they felt towards those that were different. If we're working to decrease and eventually remove that hate from our people, it makes no sense to keep the words, even walled off alive. Because by telling someone "you can't say redskin, or chink or " you're keeping the bad meaning associated with that sound and thus the concept endures. And far be it from me to argue with the noble G'Kar, but there's a difference between being kind and being PC. Being kind is a matter of intent. Political correctness denies or ignores intent altogether and is a slippery slope that is already going too far in certain places.
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