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Post by opuspace on Sept 30, 2016 15:57:41 GMT
He makes no moves to right the wrong he committed, thus he is not showing regret for that action. Him saving the people in Ferelden is him playing make believe about him being Blackwall because he regrets Blackwall's death for him, so doing what Blackwall would do. Again, I have doubts about the claim that he didn't know the children would be there since in that same conversation he says he knows how those kinds of missions go, about how you take out more than the enemy you take out the name meaning heirs as well. Oh, I'm not saying Solas is better than him. I chose the "It's like comparing turds" option. I'm just saying there is plenty of reason for people to loathe Rainier. What moves can he make to right this? The people are dead, and Cole even says the dead would not care what he does. Blackwall's entire personal mission is him trying to give justice to the people he accidentally killed (excepting lord Callier) and failing because there's no way to undo that. And does his actions under a different identity invalidate his motivations to do good? Is Leliana just having fun when she joins the Warden or is she actually doing it for a noble cause? Anyone who lives in Orlais knows there are casualties of the Game. That's like saying Josephine intended to murder people because she knew what being a Bard involved. She hasn't done anything for the family of that young man she murdered. Where's her atonement for that? She knew exactly what was going to happen and she herself admits she could have avoided his death. I'm not protesting people's dislike for him, I'm saying Blackwall has backed up his sincerity in changing for the better and hasn't once gone back to his former greedy self. Every action he's taken supports that. It's not like he's been shaking the villagers down for free gold or ale by selling off Warden Blackwall's reputation. Then you'd have something on whether his remorse was questionable.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 30, 2016 16:05:27 GMT
While I find Blackwell to be a sanctimonious, arrogant hypocrite, I also detest Vivienne, Bull and Sera. Cassandra's just as much of one when she tried to cover up the Seeker's contributions to the war by lying to Dorian.
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Sept 30, 2016 16:13:43 GMT
Vivienne, because of how she wants safeguards as well as checks and balances for all mages except herself, who will be in a position of power.
Vivienne's core position is, to me, completely hypocritical and self-serving. Her position is very much similar to a female mage Hawke who is herself free but pro-locking mage up, pro-Templar and rivalry romanced Sebastian just so she can become the Viscount of Kirkwall as well as Princess of Starkhaven.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 30, 2016 16:17:19 GMT
Distant hypothetical numbers that haven't been killed yet vs actual detailed information about innocents harmed makes a difference between how appalling someone can sound. We don't know the people who got killed at the meeting, but we can guess there were only adults so it's easier than if we hear stories about kids getting harmed. Solas' actions are also motivated by selfless causes vs Blackwall's greed so it depends on who you ask. Okay, now here's the thing, it's not just about what they've done and they're going to do, there's more to it than that. But let's start with Solas' actions. How can you say he is not selfless? Selfless would be being considerate of other peoples lives. He is doing the exact opposite. He is willing to throw away Thedas to get what he wants, he wants HIS world back, he wants the civilization he is part of to strive. While he says that he wishes he wouldn't have to destroy this world, that doesn't nullify the fact that he is going to, and probably feel nothing as he gets his world back. His loyalty is not to Thedas, nor the people of Thedas, but his world, him, it's all about what he feels and what he thinks, and he does what he wants, no matter what the repercussions, because he is determined. Isn't that selfish? He is selfish. He is greedy, and no amount of I'm sorries can make his stand less selfish. But he is apologetic, just a little bit, about those repercussions, which is good, and that makes him more sympathetic. If he could save everyone, he could, nice to hear. But he is willing to go through lengths of destruction just to get what he wants back, and that is selfish. That is a selfish cause, and for anyone to say they aren't, BYE! Now, what would be selfless of Solas, was to realize that his actions keep on destroying lives, and learn to live with the fact that his world is sealed away, and the world he lives now, that has life, is worth something, and it's his home now. THAT would be selfless, that would be considerate. But, he is a villain, so that's not going to be the case. And I'm not faulting him of being a villain. But claiming Solas is selfless and what he is doing is a selfless cause strikes a nerve with me. Now with Blackwall, what he did was wrong, OF COURSE. But the ended up taking responsibility, one way or another. He rolls with the punches, and admits he deserves them, and he also realizes that nothing he can do can change what he did. But he still tries, for all good it does. If you give him another chance, if you let him free, he devotes his life to helping people. And that's what is so great about him. His actions cannot be forgiven by some, and he will bear that grudge for a life time, but he will atone and do good, even knowing that that doesn't change the past. He tries to better himself. It's pretty sick how people can write off Blackwall as lowly, pathetic criminal scum, when yes, he was and probably is, but he is a human, and the story he goes through is extremely relevant to a lot of our lives, because I'm sure we all have things we regret doing or saying, and would rather run away from our responsibilities than face them head on. In the end, Blackwall does take responsibility, and that's part of the reason why I like him. When it comes to Solas' personality, I've seen people comment that he is open-minded, considerate, polite, intelligent. All of those are true IF you are on his good side and agree with him. Of course, that's obvious, we like people we agree with. But go ahead and disagree with him and see how nice, considerate, open-minded and intelligent he is then. He disapproves A LOT if you disagree with his views. Now, an intelligent person, or a considerate person, would realize that hey, we have different opinions, and I can live with that. With Solas, no, you get a biiig disapproval for not agreeing with him. Now, I realize we aren't talking about a high school debate, but still. And if you get the disapproval scene with him, he says something in the vain of '' From the stories I've heard, I hear you people are brutes. AND NOW I KNOW I WAS RIGHT '' which basically says to me, he looks down to everyone until they've proven themselves to completely agree with him. Yikes. Sorry for the rant, but I've had to let it out. I'm not attacking you and I'm not angry or annoyed at you, just general statements about characters that keep being tossed around this community. Justice for Blackwall, and less circlejerk for Solas. Both are great characters. They both have their positives and negatives. Sadly it seems Solas' negatives are either ignored or made light of, because he is this or he feels like that or whatever, and Blackwall's negatives are wildly exaggerated at times. Not at all! I liked the points you make, they're well thought out and considerate of both sides! I wanted to explain why some might see Solas as more sympathetic than Blackwall and in a way, it's true. Solas did things not for material possessions only for himself but to save Thedas back then because the Evanuris were going to bring the world down on their heads. Cole does say he was right about that. But what I don't like is when the victims killed by a character are vague and mentioned in passing, it makes their death less tragic. Because we don't have names, details of all the individuals caught in the crossfire of Solas' actions or those Leliana killed for fits and giggles, they're both far more forgivable because they're charming. I've seen people say Leliana is good enough while calling Blackwall a monster. At least Blackwall didn't have players on edge as to whether he'll go Mr. Stabbity stab until the "walls run red with the blood of their enemies". Who's to say Leliana didn't have numerous Callier incidents during her career as a Bard? It's so much easier to say she'd never do such a thing when we don't have details on her victims. We do know she had no problem kidnapping and holding someone's nephew hostage.
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Post by grallon on Sept 30, 2016 16:29:38 GMT
... Now with Blackwall, what he did was wrong, OF COURSE. But the ended up taking responsibility, one way or another. He rolls with the punches, and admits he deserves them, and he also realizes that nothing he can do can change what he did. But he still tries, for all good it does. If you give him another chance, if you let him free, he devotes his life to helping people. And that's what is so great about him. His actions cannot be forgiven by some, and he will bear that grudge for a life time, but he will atone and do good, even knowing that that doesn't change the past. He tries to better himself. It's pretty sick how people can write off Blackwall as lowly, pathetic criminal scum, when yes, he was and probably is, but he is a human, and the story he goes through is extremely relevant to a lot of our lives, because I'm sure we all have things we regret doing or saying, and would rather run away from our responsibilities than face them head on. In the end, Blackwall does take responsibility, and that's part of the reason why I like him. ... I couldn't have put it better. Blackwall ends up owning to his crimes - and atoning for them in a myriad ways - even after the Inquisition is disbanded when he rejoins the Wardens. My Inquisitors always free him and give him the opportunity to turn his life around. The murder of the Callier family cannot be undone - but how many lives were saved by Rainier, afterwards? ----- When it comes to Vivienne, my Inkis know her for what she is: a power broker. They use her just like she uses them. One doesn't need to like someone to work with them. The inquisition isn't some 'band of brothers' or some cozy knitting club - it's a military and political institution and as such Vivienne is a great asset. Which is why I rarely have her in my party - I head-cannon she prefers to remain in Haven and later Skyhold to oversee things. As a matter of fact I wish they had made her an advisor. ----- As for Solas, there is something petulant about him... He tries to hide the contempt he feels for most of the companions under an air of false humility but it always transpires at some point. He has been fleeing his past as much as Rainier - albeit for different reasons. ---- EDIT: I forgot about my vote: Sera. I run the Inquisition, not a daycare or a psychiatric ward.
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Post by Cantina on Sept 30, 2016 19:53:23 GMT
Solas, well, he reminds me too much of Spock. That being said its hard to judge someone based on actions that happen at the end of the game. Plus Solas did save my character's life twice and once for the Inquisition. Its seems only fair( from my perspective) to try and save him from himself.
As for Vivienne, well I can write a very very long post about this beotch. Vivienne just uses peoples for her own personal gain. You never can tell with The Iron B***h if she is lying and/or scheming. Then you toss in the fact she is a selfish rude hypocrite who believes what she says it right and you are wrong. And I get no joy or satisfaction from speaking to her, just a massive migraine and deep desire to punch Vivienne right square in the jaw.
At least with Solas his motive is direct, whereas with Vivienne you never know what that snake is up too. Whats important is: you believe that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 30, 2016 20:09:09 GMT
He makes no moves to right the wrong he committed, thus he is not showing regret for that action. Him saving the people in Ferelden is him playing make believe about him being Blackwall because he regrets Blackwall's death for him, so doing what Blackwall would do. Again, I have doubts about the claim that he didn't know the children would be there since in that same conversation he says he knows how those kinds of missions go, about how you take out more than the enemy you take out the name meaning heirs as well. Oh, I'm not saying Solas is better than him. I chose the "It's like comparing turds" option. I'm just saying there is plenty of reason for people to loathe Rainier. What moves can he make to right this? The people are dead, and Cole even says the dead would not care what he does. Blackwall's entire personal mission is him trying to give justice to the people he accidentally killed (excepting lord Callier) and failing because there's no way to undo that. And does his actions under a different identity invalidate his motivations to do good? Is Leliana just having fun when she joins the Warden or is she actually doing it for a noble cause? Anyone who lives in Orlais knows there are casualties of the Game. That's like saying Josephine intended to murder people because she knew what being a Bard involved. She hasn't done anything for the family of that young man she murdered. Where's her atonement for that? She knew exactly what was going to happen and she herself admits she could have avoided his death. I'm not protesting people's dislike for him, I'm saying Blackwall has backed up his sincerity in changing for the better and hasn't once gone back to his former greedy self. Every action he's taken supports that. It's not like he's been shaking the villagers down for free gold or ale by selling off Warden Blackwall's reputation. Then you'd have something on whether his remorse was questionable. For starters, turn himself in immediately. Failing that, things like give all his money he earns as a mercenary to the relatives of the Callier family rather than spending it all on booze and the occasional whore as he puts it. Or even gone to actually join the Wardens rather than shy away because of what he has done and then play make believe for a few years. The dead may not care, but those who knew them certainly would. Yes, yes they do. Cassandra has a beautiful quote regarding this which I support 100%. "A man who truly aspired to be righteous would not lie. He would earn respect, not steal the respect due another." Leliana does not lie like Blackwall does. Unlike him, she is actually what she says she is, a lay sister of the Chantry. And she owns up to her past almost immediately if you befriend her, at least in my games. Not saying this means all is well with her victims, but she has actually started for a couple years what Rainier doesn't until near the end of the game. As for Josephine, no she didn't. She straight up tells you that she didn't know what being a Bard involved. Not to mention there are different kinds of bards, and not all use seduction or murder to get information. She for example used dancing, playing a musical instrument, and making polite conversation. Where is this information that she has done nothing for the young man who tried to murder her? I'd say she has done a ton, considering that event is what pushed her to become a diplomat in order to find ways to resolve things peacefully so more people need not die. And she never says she could have avoided it, but rather thinks there must have been a way she could. Plus I can easily see her apologizing or giving money to his family. Also, it was not murder. His death was accidental while she was defending herself from being murdered by him. So you are making an insulting false equivalency. Actually, living off Blackwall's reputation is exactly what he has been doing. Regardless of his intentions, that is an indisputable fact. As for backing up his sincerity, he has examples of that I will grant you but again it does not seem for the Callier family. It seems more for the actual Blackwall and eventually one of his men.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 30, 2016 23:23:03 GMT
For starters, turn himself in immediately. Failing that, things like give all his money he earns as a mercenary to the relatives of the Callier family rather than spending it all on booze and the occasional whore as he puts it. Or even gone to actually join the Wardens rather than shy away because of what he has done and then play make believe for a few years. The dead may not care, but those who knew them certainly would. Yes, yes they do. Cassandra has a beautiful quote regarding this which I support 100%. "A man who truly aspired to be righteous would not lie. He would earn respect, not steal the respect due another." Leliana does not lie like Blackwall does. Unlike him, she is actually what she says she is, a lay sister of the Chantry. And she owns up to her past almost immediately if you befriend her, at least in my games. Not saying this means all is well with her victims, but she has actually started for a couple years what Rainier doesn't until near the end of the game. As for Josephine, no she didn't. She straight up tells you that she didn't know what being a Bard involved. Not to mention there are different kinds of bards, and not all use seduction or murder to get information. She for example used dancing, playing a musical instrument, and making polite conversation. Where is this information that she has done nothing for the young man who tried to murder her? I'd say she has done a ton, considering that event is what pushed her to become a diplomat in order to find ways to resolve things peacefully so more people need not die. And she never says she could have avoided it, but rather thinks there must have been a way she could. Plus I can easily see her apologizing or giving money to his family. Also, it was not murder. His death was accidental while she was defending herself from being murdered by him. So you are making an insulting false equivalency. Actually, living off Blackwall's reputation is exactly what he has been doing. Regardless of his intentions, that is an indisputable fact. As for backing up his sincerity, he has examples of that I will grant you but again it does not seem for the Callier family. It seems more for the actual Blackwall and eventually one of his men. None of those actions help anyone nor prevent further tragedies from repeating. Turning himself into the authorities who enable the Game is unhelpful irony that only makes whoever cares feel good. It's not productive in stopping what starts these destructive plots. There is no mention of any surviving relatives of the Callier family anyway so that's a work in futility. I'm all for him trying if there were, but there isn't in game. But again, that brings up the question as to why does he have to go to all that trouble while no one's demanding Leliana seek out and apologize to every victim's family she lied to so she could murder them? Why does Josephine get off scot free without sending something to the young man's family as well? She never says she didn't know that being a Bard meant killing, she said it was a stupid decision. I'm not accusing her of premeditated murder, I am saying she caused his death when she says she could have done something different. She didn't have to be a Bard, didn't have to get involved but she did and now someone is dead because of her. Self-defense is understandable but he's still dead because of her. And we don't hear any evidence that she made it up to his family ever since. I don't see the point of making her do it but if we're going to care about Blackwall making amends to the relatives of the Callier family then everyone else should be held to that standard. Both Blackwall and Josephine made poor choices in the past and they've dedicated themselves to trying to do good things from then on. If it's an issue about lying, I'd start with Cassandra's biggest hypocritical moment when she LIED to Dorian about what the Seekers did. Covering for their corruption when she has the decision to start them up again. And Leliana certainly does lie. She lied to her victims, she keeps secrets from the Warden protagonist and doesn't even deny it when Morrigan accuses her of deception. Her entire career as a Bard consisted of murder and deception and she reveled in it. And player choices are not evidence because that would invalidate others who did a different playthrough. In some people's saves, Leliana is a bigger monster than Blackwall will ever be. At least he will help people no matter what. The only time he doesn't is when he's left to die. No one is helped, no one is encouraged to do good things and that's a bigger waste than feeling good about it. As for joining the Wardens, Blackwall intended to join but his handler got killed. How is he supposed to find the Wardens? It's not like Weisshaupt or any other fortress is easy to find without a map, supplies and a guide. Players don't even have to walk the distance and they need a map to reorient their characters. He was left alone with no idea what to do. As for living off of Warden Blackwall's reputation, what was he doing that would suggest it was for himself? He's used it to get villagers to defend themselves but he's no different from Cole making himself look like the actual Cole and going by the dead kid's name.
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Post by HYR on Oct 1, 2016 3:50:57 GMT
I would not go as far as to call any of them turds, so I took option 1.
Well, maybe I could for Solas, but I enjoy and appreciate his role in the story. That is a good problem to have.
I do find Iron Bull to be poorly-written. I also think Cassandra and Dorian are of mediocre quality writing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 6:21:23 GMT
It looks like Vivi is going to win the golden turd award and her only reaction to this will be:
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Oct 1, 2016 9:48:05 GMT
Whats important is: you believe that. I don't think that actually answered what I said, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 10:01:06 GMT
I would not go as far as to call any of them turds, so I took option 1. Well, maybe I could for Solas, but I enjoy and appreciate his role in the story. That is a good problem to have. I do find Iron Bull to be poorly-written. I also think Cassandra and Dorian are of mediocre quality writing. Ehhhhhh, I kind of agree. Sadly. And I happen to like Cassandra though; Dorian is cliche though, and Iron Bull was so boring of a character that yeah, he's poorly written. But Blackwall. No, he was horribly written - I hate him, he's so boring, that finding out what he did didn't even change that fact - plus his romance is just.. Creepy. And not very interesting.
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Post by Tuchanka Love on Oct 1, 2016 10:16:38 GMT
I liked Blackwall enough, but again, I have a weakness for anything related to grey wardens...But for sure he's one of the weakest characters BioWare ever made. I didn't know so many people didn't like IB. Why though?
I wish there were more moments we could see Morrigan and Viv arguing. You know the witch would drag her so bad
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Post by Cantina on Oct 1, 2016 11:17:14 GMT
Whats important is: you believe that. I don't think that actually answered what I said, though. Sweetheart, it was not suppose to. Think of it as my way of avoiding another long drawn out discussion about what I've heard dozen of times and read dozen of times. Even if I were to entertain the idea of doing a long drawn out discussion it would go nowhere simply because you seem to be the type who believes the sky is really purple and not blue.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Oct 1, 2016 11:22:13 GMT
I don't think that actually answered what I said, though. Sweetheart, it was not suppose to. Think of it as my way of avoiding another long drawn out discussion about what I've heard dozen of times and read dozen of times. Even if I were to entertain the idea of doing a long drawn out discussion it would go nowhere simply because you seem to be the type who believes the sky is really purple and not blue. I mean, I was thinking of it as a way to avoid discussion. But I'm not sure I'm the one confused on the color of the sky. I'm trying to think why I believe what I believe, the better to argue my point. Which requires that I go back over the logic I'm using. That's how I'm able to last a long, drawn out discussion. If I cut out like this when someone explains why they disagree with me, feel free to ask me what color the sky is.
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Post by opuspace on Oct 1, 2016 13:33:54 GMT
It looks like Vivi is going to win the golden turd award and her only reaction to this will be: She wears it well, I'll give her that.
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Post by oyabun on Oct 1, 2016 17:42:07 GMT
Her position is very much similar to a female mage Hawke who is herself free but pro-locking mage up, pro-Templar and rivalry romanced Sebastian just so she can become the Viscount of Kirkwall as well as Princess of Starkhaven. This female Hawke isn't hypocrital rather is just a very intelligent person,from refugee to a princess.
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Post by secretrare on Oct 1, 2016 17:47:05 GMT
I like princess Marian Hawke&Sebastian ,she is my canon PC in DA2 and she is allied with my Prince warden&Divine-Leliana(I control them both so I decide what they have to do).The more powerful my protagonists are the more easy will be to crush the enemies i have which aside from Solas are too weak to even oppose to me. Female mage Hawke isn't an hypocrite just because she does not support mages.
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Post by fylimar on Oct 2, 2016 9:20:33 GMT
I often see that people compare Solas with Spock (did it myself once or twice), but after giving it a thought, I think he is nothing like Spock. Solas is in his own way very emotional and irrational. Look how he reacts, when you try to make Cole more human. He likes the Fade and its inhabitants and can't stand, that someone would like to change that, even if it helps someone else. Spock would have seen the benefit for Cole being more human and being able to interact more directly with the world he is stuck in (just one example) About Blackwall: He is one of my favorites, because of his faulty past. Of course his actions were terrible, but he knows that and he does everything to make it right. He chosses a life that isn't very pleasent in order to atone and he puts himself to risk to help people. As others stated, he can't undo what he did, but he can atone for it in helping others. About Vivienne: I really don't get the hate for her - she is open with her agenda and she does not betray the Inquisition or kill people (like other companions obviously did) and she even stays, when she doesn't get along with the inquisitor. She likes power, but so do Leliana and Josephine and both are well liked, despite being versed player of the game and having questionable pasts. And Vivienne does bring up some good points for keeping the circles: as places, where young mages can be properly trained. She has no problem with a Dalish mage inqui, because she knows, that they are well trained by their keepers and that the whole clan helps in keeping the mage from turning into a demon and she also admits, that the circles must be reformed, so that events like in Kirkwall can't repeat. Most of my inquis (even the 'mages are equal' ones) agree with that. And she freely admits, that she was probably more lucky, than many other mages, to get the position and the freedom, coming with it, she has now. Despite her being a bit of a diva, she is very down to earth about everything and she doesn't freak out about Cory and all that, which is nice, especially, if you have Iron Bull and Sera with you in the Fade too She is as faulty as many other companions - especially Solas and Sera -, but the others are loved despite being faulty or maybe even because of it, while she gets the boot. I don't see much difference between Viv or Sera for example - both are snobbish, but in Seras case, it gets excused, because 'she is so cute' (which I really don't think, she is - she is a great character, but as far from cute as it gets. For a rogue, she is very conservative and singleminded in her views, which reduces her cute factor a lot for me)- it's similar to what witchdoctor said about the comparison between Blackwall and Solas: Both are faulty, but Solas gets excused because of ... yeah what? Being the elf? Being a powerful old being (he should even be less excused because of that, since he has a lot more life experience than a short lived human)? Sorry for the long post, I just thought, I need to break a lance for poor Viv for once. I personally am ok with all characters in DAI. I recruit everyone and I try to take them out equally. I think, they are well written with all their flaws, it makes them more 'alive' imo. My favorite will always be Varric, but I have no one, I dislike, they are just so wonderfully diversed. For me, it's the best companion cast so far. Edit for typos - wrote it in a hurry
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Post by Catilina on Oct 2, 2016 10:53:52 GMT
I like princess Marian Hawke&Sebastian ,she is my canon PC in DA2 and she is allied with my Prince warden&Divine-Leliana(I control them both so I decide what they have to do).The more powerful my protagonists are the more easy will be to crush the enemies i have which aside from Solas are too weak to even oppose to me. Female mage Hawke isn't an hypocrite just because she does not support mages. If she a mage: yes, she is hypocrite. (If she vant to be free, and rule, if she likes to be prisoner, and lose her noble title: don't hypocrite, this is simple.)
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Post by bella on Oct 2, 2016 11:03:06 GMT
Honestly, I like all the characters in their own way. Obviously some more than others. For example I find Blackwall a bit boring, and (unpopular opinion) I've really gotten tired of Varric, even though I loved him in DA2 and my first playthrough of DAI. Too much of a good thing is never good I guess. Sera gets on my nerves with her stubbornness, but I can see where she's coming from. And so on.
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Post by Toledo wombat on Oct 2, 2016 12:09:38 GMT
It depends a bit on who I'm playing, it's hard to get into everybody all in one game. It took me two games to get into Cole at all, and I didn't get Dorian in my first runthrough either (his personal quest never came up for some reason, i'd even sided with the mages), but my first playthrough endeared Bull and Vivienne to me.
The only companion I'm really not fussed about is Blackwall. I don't think he's good looking, he didn't do a good enough impression of a Grey Warden to instil a sense of nostalgia for the good old days of DAO and Awakenings, and I don't feel as though his "crime" explained his bizarre behaviour. Did something horrible for pay in Orlais? Good grief man, it's Orlais! If you're not murdering people for fun or personal gain you're not doing it right! He comes across as a guy who tried to be a bad ass but failed, why not join the friggin Wardens, instead of pretending to do it? Having said that, I hardly ever go out of my way to piss him off or leave him to rot later in the games (i order him to follow my advice and join the friggin wardens properly!), but he rubs me up the wrong way too often, he decided he hated one of my fledgling Inquis because she said she "enjoyed being worshipped", semi seriously, I don't like his "I heard you found something to do with wardens? Would have liked to have been there" in a tone that suggests he resents you stepping foot outside Haven or Skyhold without him, and frankly, i prefer Cassandra's company. And his story about the puppies is kind of creepy.... In fact, I just find him creepier than Cole or Solas, which says quite a lot.
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2016 13:54:12 GMT
It depends a bit on who I'm playing, it's hard to get into everybody all in one game. It took me two games to get into Cole at all, and I didn't get Dorian in my first runthrough either (his personal quest never came up for some reason, i'd even sided with the mages), but my first playthrough endeared Bull and Vivienne to me. The only companion I'm really not fussed about is Blackwall. I don't think he's good looking, he didn't do a good enough impression of a Grey Warden to instil a sense of nostalgia for the good old days of DAO and Awakenings, and I don't feel as though his "crime" explained his bizarre behaviour. Did something horrible for pay in Orlais? Good grief man, it's Orlais! If you're not murdering people for fun or personal gain you're not doing it right! He comes across as a guy who tried to be a bad ass but failed, why not join the friggin Wardens, instead of pretending to do it? Having said that, I hardly ever go out of my way to piss him off or leave him to rot later in the games (i order him to follow my advice and join the friggin wardens properly!), but he rubs me up the wrong way too often, he decided he hated one of my fledgling Inquis because she said she "enjoyed being worshipped", semi seriously, I don't like his "I heard you found something to do with wardens? Would have liked to have been there" in a tone that suggests he resents you stepping foot outside Haven or Skyhold without him, and frankly, i prefer Cassandra's company. And his story about the puppies is kind of creepy.... In fact, I just find him creepier than Cole or Solas, which says quite a lot. Oh yeah, I'd forgotten the dog story because 2/3 times I romanced him. First PT ever, I broke it off. 3rd, she stayed with Thom. But that dog story? Think I'll avoid recruiting him or maybe just skip through that scene, I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 14:02:07 GMT
My only beef with Blackwall isn't really even his fault, its Bioware's fault. I'm sorry Bioware, but you can not just put a note in Liliana's area for me to find, telling me about how the real Blackwall thought that Ferelden was a lost cause and not allow me to question him about it. Especially since he told me earlier that he was in Ferelden during the blight.
Also, really Vivi worse then everyone else? Still firmly in the camp of Vivi > Sera.
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Post by fylimar on Oct 2, 2016 17:58:55 GMT
My only beef with Blackwall isn't really even his fault, its Bioware's fault. I'm sorry Bioware, but you can not just put a note in Liliana's area for me to find, telling me about how the real Blackwall thought that Ferelden was a lost cause and not allow me to question him about it. Especially since he told me earlier that he was in Ferelden during the blight. Also, really Vivi worse then everyone else? Still firmly in the camp of Vivi > Sera. I agree with you about the note - I would have loved to confront him about that
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