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Post by dragontartare on Oct 2, 2016 20:31:48 GMT
Hhhhhelll no, how is Blackwall, the lost, kicked lil' puppy getting more hate than SOLAS of all people?! He looks up to the Inquisitor so much and has such good, gentlemanly qualities to him. This community is WEIRD. I think its because they find him boring. Being boring is a much greater sin then mass genocide in some people's eyes. Um...no. I don't think you'll get a single person arguing this if the question were, "which companion is the most terrible person?" or "which companion committed the greatest sin?" If that's what you meant, then that's how you should have worded it, and in such case I would have voted for Solas. The question actually asks who is the least likable, and through most of the game, I found Solas to be interesting, good in a fight, and full of information. Likable, in other words. (Not that I don't want to crack his stupid egg head on subsequent playthroughs, but I liked him just fine the first time around.) I see nothing likable in Blackwall. He is a judgmental prick toward other characters just because he feels guilty over what he himself has done. He is a murderer who spends most of the game acting holier-than-thou anytime he happens to disagree with the Inquisitor, which is rich considering what he has done. And then when the Inquisitor decides his fate, he still whines about it, as if other murderers get any input into their own fate. To be honest, I didn't even consider Solas in answering this question, since he has been established as a villain. It's hard to like him knowing what he plans to do, but as I said, the first time around, he and my Trevelyan were good friends and I enjoyed him. I can't say that for Blackwall. Danarius and company aren't exactly innocent. The closest to an innocent companion in DA2 is Merrill. Um...the blood mage? I would say the honor of "closest to innocent companion" would go to Bethany or, failing that, Dog. Even Carver is more innocent than Merrill. He certainly killed darkspawn at Ostagar, but that's what soldiers do...and anyway, they are darkspawn, so they don't count
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 2, 2016 20:42:01 GMT
I see nothing likable in Blackwall. He is a judgmental prick toward other characters just because he feels guilty over what he himself has done. He is a murderer who spends most of the game acting holier-than-thou anytime he happens to disagree with the Inquisitor, which is rich considering what he has done. And then when the Inquisitor decides his fate, he still whines about it, as if other murderers get any input into their own fate. Agreed. Rainier also acts like such a hypocrite about things multiple times in the game, like when he judges people on things he has no right to judge them on since he has done far worse. The closest to an innocent companion in DA2 is Merrill. Um...the blood mage? I would say the honor of "closest to innocent companion" would go to Bethany or, failing that, Dog. Even Carver is more innocent than Merrill. He certainly killed darkspawn at Ostagar, but that's what soldiers do...and anyway, they are darkspawn, so they don't count Blood magic is just another form of magic. It's what you do with it that determines that person's innocence or lack of. In Merrill's case, she is innocent since the only blood she ever uses is her own. Though I agree Bethany would be tied with her for that, and Carver close behind. As for Dog he isn't a companion in DA2 but a summon.
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Post by lolslikemuttley on Oct 2, 2016 20:51:14 GMT
Iron Bull got my vote. Aside from his habit of falling in battle whenever I used him in my party I found him inappropriate; like the time he celebrated dragon killing with me when I hadn't even taken him with me, or even recruited him prior to killing the beast! Get drunk on your own deeds Bull. Don't take credit for mine! You weren't there
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 21:00:57 GMT
I think its because they find him boring. Being boring is a much greater sin then mass genocide in some people's eyes. Um...no. I don't think you'll get a single person arguing this if the question were, "which companion is the most terrible person?" or "which companion committed the greatest sin?" If that's what you meant, then that's how you should have worded it, and in such case I would have voted for Solas. The question actually asks who is the least likable, and through most of the game, I found Solas to be interesting, good in a fight, and full of information. Likable, in other words. (Not that I don't want to crack his stupid egg head on subsequent playthroughs, but I liked him just fine the first time around.) I see nothing likable in Blackwall. He is a judgmental prick toward other characters just because he feels guilty over what he himself has done. He is a murderer who spends most of the game acting holier-than-thou anytime he happens to disagree with the Inquisitor, which is rich considering what he has done. And then when the Inquisitor decides his fate, he still whines about it, as if other murderers get any input into their own fate. I was joking with the last comment. I've heard multiple times from people that they don't like Blackwall because they find him boring and since we were discussing Solas in comparison to him I add the last part as a joke. That is the question I asked, "Who you find the least likable." And that is a good reason not to like him.
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2016 21:02:22 GMT
I think its because they find him boring. Being boring is a much greater sin then mass genocide in some people's eyes. Um...no. I don't think you'll get a single person arguing this if the question were, "which companion is the most terrible person?" or "which companion committed the greatest sin?" If that's what you meant, then that's how you should have worded it, and in such case I would have voted for Solas. The question actually asks who is the least likable, and through most of the game, I found Solas to be interesting, good in a fight, and full of information. Likable, in other words. (Not that I don't want to crack his stupid egg head on subsequent playthroughs, but I liked him just fine the first time around.) I see nothing likable in Blackwall. He is a judgmental prick toward other characters just because he feels guilty over what he himself has done. He is a murderer who spends most of the game acting holier-than-thou anytime he happens to disagree with the Inquisitor, which is rich considering what he has done. And then when the Inquisitor decides his fate, he still whines about it, as if other murderers get any input into their own fate. To be honest, I didn't even consider Solas in answering this question, since he has been established as a villain. It's hard to like him knowing what he plans to do, but as I said, the first time around, he and my Trevelyan were good friends and I enjoyed him. I can't say that for Blackwall. The closest to an innocent companion in DA2 is Merrill. Um...the blood mage? I would say the honor of "closest to innocent companion" would go to Bethany or, failing that, Dog. Even Carver is more innocent than Merrill. He certainly killed darkspawn at Ostagar, but that's what soldiers do...and anyway, they are darkspawn, so they don't count To the first part; Huh. I haven't gotten on Blackwalls bad side to see his disagreement. Is is some big rant for kicking the Wardens out of Orlais? So, between him and Solas, you get a rant either way? To the second part; I am of the opinion that the way Merril uses blood magic is exactly as she says it is. It's a tool. She uses no other people's blood but her own. I have no command over her body, therefore she can harm it as she wishes. The only reason people villainize blood magic is because what is known of it is that is can mind control people. I've never seen Merril do such a thing, nor see a desire within her to do so. And regarding her Keeper; I blame the Keeper for her own choices. Merril made deals with demons out of a desire to help. So did the Keeper. Things fell where they did. Dog is an animal, there is no innocence or guilt to be hand within a creature. And I forgot Bethany was a companion because she lacks drama. So, now that you mention her, she does seem th emost innocent. Carver loses his innocence the second he came to realize how awful the Circle was in Kirkwall when he became a Templar and stayed.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 2, 2016 21:08:45 GMT
To the first part; Huh. I haven't gotten on Blackwalls bad side to see his disagreement. Is is some big rant for kicking the Wardens out of Orlais? So, between him and Solas, you get a rant either way? Here are videos of it:
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2016 21:17:55 GMT
To the first part; Huh. I haven't gotten on Blackwalls bad side to see his disagreement. Is is some big rant for kicking the Wardens out of Orlais? So, between him and Solas, you get a rant either way? Here are videos of it:
Surely we don't get that big speech just for kicking the Wardens to the curb. That Quiz must have done many other things to bring his disapproval down.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 2, 2016 21:20:17 GMT
Surely we don't get that big speech just for kicking the Wardens to the curb. That Quiz must have done many other things to bring his disapproval down. Yeah, you have to get his Approval down really low throughout the game, just like with the other speeches like this.
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2016 21:21:30 GMT
Surely we don't get that big speech just for kicking the Wardens to the curb. That Quiz must have done many other things to bring his disapproval down. Yeah, you have to get his Approval down really low throughout the game, just like with the other speeches like this. So, if your approval is good enough, he'll give you a speech about how he's ticked with the Quiz about not keeping the Wardens, but stay?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 2, 2016 21:23:41 GMT
Yeah, you have to get his Approval down really low throughout the game, just like with the other speeches like this. So, if your approval is good enough, he'll give you a speech about how he's ticked with the Quiz about not keeping the Wardens, but stay? I don't know. I think he only gives that speech in the encounter I linked to.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 2, 2016 21:27:34 GMT
I see nothing likable in Blackwall. He is a judgmental prick toward other characters just because he feels guilty over what he himself has done. He is a murderer who spends most of the game acting holier-than-thou anytime he happens to disagree with the Inquisitor, which is rich considering what he has done. And then when the Inquisitor decides his fate, he still whines about it, as if other murderers get any input into their own fate. Agreed. Rainier also acts like such a hypocrite about things multiple times in the game, like when he judges people on things he has no right to judge them on since he has done far worse. Um...the blood mage? I would say the honor of "closest to innocent companion" would go to Bethany or, failing that, Dog. Even Carver is more innocent than Merrill. He certainly killed darkspawn at Ostagar, but that's what soldiers do...and anyway, they are darkspawn, so they don't count Blood magic is just another form of magic. It's what you do with it that determines that person's innocence or lack of. In Merrill's case, she is innocent since the only blood she ever uses is her own. Though I agree Bethany would be tied with her for that, and Carver close behind. As for Dog he isn't a companion in DA2 but a summon. True enough about Merrill. I guess I see her as kind of a ticking time bomb, though. She's so...not innocent, exactly, but...too sweet? Too willing to see good in others that isn't really there? I'm not convinced that a very subtle demon wouldn't be able to sway her into using her blood magic for less selfless means. As for dog, bah! Details Um...no. I don't think you'll get a single person arguing this if the question were, "which companion is the most terrible person?" or "which companion committed the greatest sin?" If that's what you meant, then that's how you should have worded it, and in such case I would have voted for Solas. The question actually asks who is the least likable, and through most of the game, I found Solas to be interesting, good in a fight, and full of information. Likable, in other words. (Not that I don't want to crack his stupid egg head on subsequent playthroughs, but I liked him just fine the first time around.) I see nothing likable in Blackwall. He is a judgmental prick toward other characters just because he feels guilty over what he himself has done. He is a murderer who spends most of the game acting holier-than-thou anytime he happens to disagree with the Inquisitor, which is rich considering what he has done. And then when the Inquisitor decides his fate, he still whines about it, as if other murderers get any input into their own fate. I was joking with the last comment. I've heard multiple times from people that they don't like Blackwall because they find him boring and since we were discussing Solas in comparison to him I add the last part as a joke. That is the question I asked, "Who you find the least likable." And that is a good reason not to like him. Oh, ok then Um...no. I don't think you'll get a single person arguing this if the question were, "which companion is the most terrible person?" or "which companion committed the greatest sin?" If that's what you meant, then that's how you should have worded it, and in such case I would have voted for Solas. The question actually asks who is the least likable, and through most of the game, I found Solas to be interesting, good in a fight, and full of information. Likable, in other words. (Not that I don't want to crack his stupid egg head on subsequent playthroughs, but I liked him just fine the first time around.) I see nothing likable in Blackwall. He is a judgmental prick toward other characters just because he feels guilty over what he himself has done. He is a murderer who spends most of the game acting holier-than-thou anytime he happens to disagree with the Inquisitor, which is rich considering what he has done. And then when the Inquisitor decides his fate, he still whines about it, as if other murderers get any input into their own fate. To be honest, I didn't even consider Solas in answering this question, since he has been established as a villain. It's hard to like him knowing what he plans to do, but as I said, the first time around, he and my Trevelyan were good friends and I enjoyed him. I can't say that for Blackwall. Um...the blood mage? I would say the honor of "closest to innocent companion" would go to Bethany or, failing that, Dog. Even Carver is more innocent than Merrill. He certainly killed darkspawn at Ostagar, but that's what soldiers do...and anyway, they are darkspawn, so they don't count To the first part; Huh. I haven't gotten on Blackwalls bad side to see his disagreement. Is is some big rant for kicking the Wardens out of Orlais? So, between him and Solas, you get a rant either way?To the second part; I am of the opinion that the way Merril uses blood magic is exactly as she says it is. It's a tool. She uses no other people's blood but her own. I have no command over her body, therefore she can harm it as she wishes. The only reason people villainize blood magic is because what is known of it is that is can mind control people. I've never seen Merril do such a thing, nor see a desire within her to do so. And regarding her Keeper; I blame the Keeper for her own choices. Merril made deals with demons out of a desire to help. So did the Keeper. Things fell where they did. Dog is an animal, there is no innocence or guilt to be hand within a creature. And I forgot Bethany was a companion because she lacks drama. So, now that you mention her, she does seem th emost innocent. Carver loses his innocence the second he came to realize how awful the Circle was in Kirkwall when he became a Templar and stayed. It's possible that I just happen to choose the dialogue options that Blackwall doesn't like, but he has something negative to say about the Inquisitor's choices even when his approval is high enough for him to stick around. Practically every conversation with him is , "whine whine whine...how dare you, Inquisitor! Whine whine whine." Considering the enormous "mistakes" he made in his recent past, he has no right to be as judgmental as he is. Had he ever acknowledged his prejudices, like "I apologize for judging you so harshly in the past. I did not want to watch you repeat my sins," or something similar, then I could probably forgive his attitude. But instead, he continues even after the whole Inquisition finds out what he did. For Carver, that's true. I haven't played a mage Hawke yet to have Carver around, but doesn't he only join the Templars because Aveline won't let him join the guard, and he doesn't know what else to do? It's a reckless decision on his part, given that Hawke is a mage. I wonder whether he would regret his decision had Hawke been caught.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 3, 2016 0:35:57 GMT
Lets see, from a personal standpoint, it'd have to be Vivienne...but from a writing standpoint it has to be Blackwall. That man has such a huge chip on his shoulder you could drive Oil Tankers through it. My Inquisitors all try and joke with him to lighten the mood and he is all like 'oh sure you could laugh at a time like this you don't have blah blah blah'.
Screw you buddy you are lucky I didn't leave you to rot with the Orlesians.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 3, 2016 1:39:49 GMT
Solas is literally the only companion in any of the games where i didn't upgrade his armor or weapon.
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Post by Nayawk on Oct 3, 2016 2:50:48 GMT
Iron Bull.
Less for in game story/character reasons and more for design choices. I dislike the Qunari re-re-design and he is the worst offender. Also I'm not a fan of the voice work, FPJr is more miss than hit for me. If they had kept the DA2 design and cast a less exaggerated voice I would have been pretty happy with Iron Bulls place in the story.
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Post by HYR on Oct 3, 2016 3:08:49 GMT
I didn't know so many people didn't like IB. Why though? Well for me... -- Peanuthead. His individual chest muscles are larger than his 'dome (sans the horns, ofc). Bad/goofy design there. -- Accent is so manufactured. I admire the effort by Freddy Prinze Jr. It just does not work though. -- I do not really care for "frat boy" personalities. -- It is stupid to recruit him. He is a spy. Him telling you that does not make it safe to do so. You have better things to do than "keep an eye on" him. Also, examining his letters does not work either. Spies typically have codes to get around that. -- His companion quest is even more stupid. I'll leave it at that, else I would have to devote a paragraph at minimum. -- I don't think he and Dorian make a good couple. It largely comes across as forced for the sake of same-sex and Vint/Qun irony.
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Post by LFS on Oct 3, 2016 3:26:34 GMT
Iron Bull. Less for in game story/character reasons and more for design choices. I dislike the Qunari re-re-design and he is the worst offender. Also I'm not a fan of the voice work, FPJr is more miss than hit for me. If they had kept the DA2 design and cast a less exaggerated voice I would have been pretty happy with Iron Bulls place in the story. The shift away from the DA2 design was a massive drag for me, as well. They looked really great, a good mix of human and threateningly non-human. I was really hoping to be able to emulate at least some of that structure in the CC when I made my Qunari characters, but it's just not possible. The bright eyes, in particular, kill it for me a bit. I agree with both you and HYR about IB, too. I do hold in slightly higher regard than at least Sera, but the two of them suffer from the same problem for me--I feel like I can see too much of the writers' hand in them. Like, they're both so over-the-top at times that I can almost visualize the writer's pit all guffawing and clapping each other on the back for their 'wittiness'. They feel 'forced', for lack of a better term, in a way that I don't find nearly as obvious with other companions.
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Post by lynroy on Oct 3, 2016 4:15:36 GMT
Iron Bull. Less for in game story/character reasons and more for design choices. I dislike the Qunari re-re-design and he is the worst offender. Also I'm not a fan of the voice work, FPJr is more miss than hit for me. If they had kept the DA2 design and cast a less exaggerated voice I would have been pretty happy with Iron Bulls place in the story. Agreed about FPJ. It took me a long time to get used to it. Surrounded by the beautiful voice work of the other VAs, FPJ's mediocre performance stands out.
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Post by Tuchanka Love on Oct 3, 2016 4:59:18 GMT
Actually, most if not all american/canadian voice actos in this game stand out as not so good when compared to the british VAs. And it's not as if it was awful voice acting either, it's just that the brits slayed.
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Post by Crim on Oct 3, 2016 20:52:20 GMT
I actually liked all of the companions in DAI, that was a first for me when it comes to DA. Sure dislike many in the older games. Before I opened this thread I knew Viv would be first, lol. I like that b*tch, she's fabulous and her putdowns, beautiful. Skitter, skitter, skitter.
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Post by Cantina on Oct 3, 2016 20:54:39 GMT
I didn't know so many people didn't like IB. Why though? Well for me... -- Peanuthead. His individual chest muscles are larger than his 'dome (sans the horns, ofc). Bad/goofy design there. -- Accent is so manufactured. I admire the effort by Freddy Prinze Jr. It just does not work though. -- I do not really care for "frat boy" personalities. -- It is stupid to recruit him. He is a spy. Him telling you that does not make it safe to do so. You have better things to do than "keep an eye on" him. Also, examining his letters does not work either. Spies typically have codes to get around that. -- His companion quest is even more stupid. I'll leave it at that, else I would have to devote a paragraph at minimum. -- I don't think he and Dorian make a good couple. It largely comes across as forced for the sake of same-sex and Vint/Qun irony. -Agreed. I've nicknamed him, "Planters" in my run through. My first thought was, "Um his body design is so ....off."
-His voice not only seems manufactured but dunno it seems off putting.
-LOL! Never thought about that. You know considering IB is a Qunari he certainly doesn't act like one; compared to Sten.
-I recruited him and his Chargers. IB is a good off tank if you build him right and ignore (uh forgot his specialization tree) and don't put points in it.
_OMG! Yes, yes it is. For starters we hear how awesome dreadnoughts are and we see it and it looks more like a shrimp boat then a war ship. Then a group of Vints walk towards The Chargers and you have to choose. Uh, The Chargers can't hold those Viints for a few seconds, while our group slides down and finishes em off?!? Too many points in the game like that, so contrived just to make you choose when the choice did not need to be made. -Honestly, I thought the Bull and Dorian romance was, well cute and their banter in group was hilarious. I don't see it as forced since its not exactly easy to get those two involved with each other do to the banter bug, especially on console.
I don't hate Iron Bull. I do however agree with what has been addressed here. Bull just did not come off as Quanri to me but more Isabella 2 in male form.
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Post by Crim on Oct 3, 2016 22:40:49 GMT
Whoever voted Cass, oh, you're just the worst kind of person. I hope that was a joke vote, how dare you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 4:50:41 GMT
So Blackwall and Sera are neck and neck to win second place for the "Turd of a Companion" award, while Vivi is pretty much has a sure win for the first place. When I started this thread I though that Vivi and Sera would be neck and neck, but nope Viv beats her by a mile and a lot more people hate Blackwall then I thought there would be. And so far no one hates either Cole or Varric, or at least no one hates them enough to choose them.
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Post by marilla on Oct 4, 2016 17:39:43 GMT
Vivienne is easily my most hated Dragon Age character...not just Inquisition but all three of the games. I'm always the type of person to recruit everyone, do all their quests, and talk to them as much as possible even if I'm not crazy about them. Vivenne is going to be the one to break that. I hate her so much that I won't even recruit her on future playthroughs.
She is just the worst kind of hypocrite, saying that Circle mages have too much freedom as it is...and yet she doesn't even live in the Circle with them. She has no idea what kind of abuses they've suffered because she never had to deal with it, and now that she's gotten out she wants to keep everyone down just so she can have power. Not to mention how condescending she is when you don't agree with her every word. She flat out cuts your Dalish character off, talks down to them when they try to explain Dalish mages, and acts like she knows better how the Dalish treat their mages than...you know, the Dalish mage.
She also has that super petty moment where she's mad at you, so she chooses to rearrange your furniture to try and irritate you. Every other character in your party is there to help and make a difference, except for her. She's manipulative and all she's trying to do is gain more power and put herself in a better position. Although I do get my small pleasure out of dressing her in the worst looking armors and coloring them with horribly clashing colors.
The other one I don't like much is Sera. Sera is so crude with a lot of her jokes that she just feels very childish. Plus, one of the personality traits I hate the most is close-mindedness. And she's definitely that. Anything she doesn't like is bad or simply stupid. Like when she tried to get Lavellan to renounce her faith because it was all stupid. Or, when she laughs in the face of a Lavellan who had her vallaslin removed by Solas instead of trying to comfort her friend.
And the last is Blackwall. His isn't so much a case of me disliking him, actually. I just find him extremely boring. I frequently forgot he was even there and would forget to talk to him. Hell, I didn't even realize he was missing until I went to leave for a mission and I scrolled past his X-ed out tarot card. His backstory did little to redeem him for me either, because he's essentially just a coward.
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Post by HYR on Oct 4, 2016 17:48:52 GMT
So Blackwall and Sera are neck and neck to win second place for the "Turd of a Companion" award, while Vivi is pretty much has a sure win for the first place. When I started this thread I though that Vivi and Sera would be neck and neck, but nope Viv beats her by a mile and a lot more people hate Blackwall then I thought there would be. And so far no one hates either Cole or Varric, or at least no one hates them enough to choose them. Vivienne usually does win DA:I unpopularity contests pretty handily, from what I've seen at the olde BSN. In truth, she'd probably prefer being hated than being forgotten about/irrelevant.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 4, 2016 17:54:13 GMT
So Blackwall and Sera are neck and neck to win second place for the "Turd of a Companion" award, while Vivi is pretty much has a sure win for the first place. When I started this thread I though that Vivi and Sera would be neck and neck, but nope Viv beats her by a mile and a lot more people hate Blackwall then I thought there would be. And so far no one hates either Cole or Varric, or at least no one hates them enough to choose them. Vivienne usually does win DA:I unpopularity contests pretty handily, from what I've seen at the olde BSN. In truth, she'd probably prefer being hated than being forgotten about/irrelevant. Haha, yes, this is her biggest fear. I'm starting to regret that I chose her ...
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