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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 14:12:26 GMT
I don’t suppose the other spy would be so kind as to start acting suspicious to draw my attention that way? Pretty please? Now why would I do that? That would give me away! *sneaks away*
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Post by Moonae on Apr 24, 2018 14:34:11 GMT
I don’t suppose the other spy would be so kind as to start acting suspicious to draw my attention that way? Pretty please? Now why would I do that? That would give me away! *sneaks away* *moves to top of suspect list*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 15:54:53 GMT
*moves to top of suspect list* Oh noes! I'm under suspicion! *shifty eyes* What gave me away? D: I was perfectly sneaky!
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 24, 2018 16:00:22 GMT
*moves to top of suspect list* Oh noes! I'm under suspicion! *shifty eyes* What gave me away? D: I was perfectly sneaky! Lol you are being pretty suspicious
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 16:05:47 GMT
Lol you are being pretty suspicious No I'm not! I made sure to hide my mask under the carpet!
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 24, 2018 16:09:18 GMT
Lol you are being pretty suspicious No I'm not! I made sure to hide my mask under the carpet! Oh. Well in that case I guess you are innocent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 16:31:06 GMT
Oh. Well in that case I guess you are innocent.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 24, 2018 23:19:05 GMT
*Suspicion intensifies!*
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 26, 2018 20:43:38 GMT
So where are we with the voting?
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 26, 2018 21:11:36 GMT
Voting update:
Catilina 1 Adonniel 2
Still to vote:
Space Cowboy Pelassarias Romice Moonae
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 27, 2018 10:23:23 GMT
Well Adonniel appears to want to be voted out so let's get this moving? Unless she starts objecting.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 27, 2018 12:40:40 GMT
Well, I can't vote... but I'm with ya in spirit! lol
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 27, 2018 13:23:06 GMT
Well, I can't vote... but I'm with ya in spirit! lol Maybe Chakwas will bring you back!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 17:04:57 GMT
Well Adonniel appears to want to be voted out so let's get this moving? Unless she starts objecting. nah I'm clearing my name one way or another. I'm 80% sure I'll be suspicion safe after this round. I doubt this will be a waste. But, I am starting to question now whether Reed truly checked you or she was just fooling around. I find it odd underlining inconsistency in one player's behaviour and stating suspicion of them, but voting for another. That really something that people said Dragon/Cati is inconsistent and then I got the votes on me. I have no objection though to Cati countering me, which makes sense, or to a lesser extent fyli stating she has no grounds to suspect various players and rolling a random number.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 27, 2018 17:17:51 GMT
Well Adonniel appears to want to be voted out so let's get this moving? Unless she starts objecting. nah I'm clearing my name one way or another. I'm 80% sure I'll be suspicion safe after this round. I doubt this will be a waste. But, I am starting to question now whether Reed truly checked you or she was just fooling around. I find it odd underlining inconsistency in one player's behaviour and stating suspicion of them, but voting for another. That really something that people said Dragon/Cati is inconsistent and then I got the votes on me. I have no objection though to Cati countering me which makes sense or fyli stating she has no grounds to suspect one or any other person and rolling a random number. Well I don't think I find either of you particularly suspicious. Just jumping on a bandwagon. If you have a better target then convince me? I know, cati. But why? And Reed is a guy. he did say he believes me innocent. Maybe he can clarify if there's some doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 17:26:33 GMT
Well I don't think I find either of you particularly suspicious. Just jumping on a bandwagon. If you have a better target then convince me? I know, cati. But why? There were inconsistencies listed in Dragon's behaviour like some posts pointing to a fact she had interpreted Reed's hint correctly, but after elimination she made innocent eyes and said she hadn't the faintest what Reed's role was. This was pointed out by various players, but all right lets feel sorry for Cati and not vote him even if he is suspicious. Let's vote addoniel as nobody's sorry for her. I know. I just always go he/she based on a gender depicted on their avatar. Those things confuse me.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 27, 2018 19:46:38 GMT
Well I don't think I find either of you particularly suspicious. Just jumping on a bandwagon. If you have a better target then convince me? I know, cati. But why? There were inconsistencies listed in Dragon's behaviour like some posts pointing to a fact she had interpreted Reed's hint correctly, but after elimination she made innocent eyes and said she hadn't the faintest what Reed's role was. This was pointed out by various players, but all right lets feel sorry for Cati and not vote him even if he is suspicious. Let's vote addoniel as nobody's sorry for her. I know. I just always go he/she based on a gender depicted on their avatar. Those things confuse me. Everyone can vote for me without sorry (of course, if wants to commit a big mistake), we all can vote for anyone, yes?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 19:55:13 GMT
Everyone can vote for me without sorry (of course, if wants to commit a big mistake), we all can vote for anyone, yes? Well, I feel that people did find Dragon's behaviour suspicious, but I'm getting a bandwagon on me (without any explanation other than 'random' and 'I feel like bandwagon') because people feel bad for voting you off last round so they don't want to vote you again. Then for some magical reason it all gets shoved onto 'randomness' except everyone's randomness is somehow randomly pointing at me, must be a totally random rng conspiracy there. If they have no grounds and suspect everyone but Moon and Space equally then there are always romice, pela and fylimar, but I'm getting all the votes. One person doing it randomly seems fair enough, but that's not the greatest excuse for all the follow up votes so getting a 3rd one that's also random based is odd to say the least. That's real fair from my perspective. I do understand your vote though since I'd be voting against a person strongly accusing me too.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 27, 2018 22:52:56 GMT
nah I'm clearing my name one way or another. I'm 80% sure I'll be suspicion safe after this round. I doubt this will be a waste. But, I am starting to question now whether Reed truly checked you or she was just fooling around. I find it odd underlining inconsistency in one player's behaviour and stating suspicion of them, but voting for another. That really something that people said Dragon/Cati is inconsistent and then I got the votes on me. I have no objection though to Cati countering me which makes sense or fyli stating she has no grounds to suspect one or any other person and rolling a random number. Well I don't think I find either of you particularly suspicious. Just jumping on a bandwagon. If you have a better target then convince me? I know, cati. But why? And Reed is a guy. he did say he believes me innocent. Maybe he can clarify if there's some doubt. I'll just say that I have pretty much zero suspicion towards you, Space.
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Post by pelassarias on Apr 28, 2018 2:22:40 GMT
Sorry for the hold up guys! I've been a little busy these past few days, plus I've been thinking about this dilemma, but now I've made up my mind. Alright, I've thought about dragon's reply to reed when he dished out his second hint and her vote change. And I just can't see how she didn't surmise reed was any other role but Liara after saying that Reed and Space were safe in her eyes. On top of that, she decided to change her vote. I don't believe she would have changed her vote if she didn't think reed was Liara or another powerful role. But like I said, she couldn't have thought that reed was another powerful role given the fact she was also not suspicious of Space, so she had to have thought reed was Liara. So this means that I don't believe that she didn't know about reed's hint before he got eliminated. So this begs the question: Why would she claim she didn't know? If she was Good Javik, there wouldn't have been a need to claim she had no idea about reed's hint. She could have simply said that she didn't believe her ability would helped that much given the drawback and the fact that Reed wouldn't have been able to use his ability afterwards. The only reason I can come up with for why she claimed this is to ward off suspicion as Evil Javik. So I'm going to take a chance and vote for Catilina. Sorry Cati. Also I want to point out that the reason why I'm suspicious of Evil Javik isn't because of the fact that reed wasn't protected, but because of a discrepancy in dragon's posts that I've explained about. I was before, but then I realized that Javik's ability also shuts down night abilities for other roles on top of his drawback. So I can see how a Good Javik wouldn't protect reed last night.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 28, 2018 4:15:28 GMT
Alright, I'll switch from Adonniel to Cati then. Sorry Cati.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 28, 2018 6:02:15 GMT
Sorry for the hold up guys! I've been a little busy these past few days, plus I've been thinking about this dilemma, but now I've made up my mind. Alright, I've thought about dragon's reply to reed when he dished out his second hint and her vote change. And I just can't see how she didn't surmise reed was any other role but Liara after saying that Reed and Space were safe in her eyes. On top of that, she decided to change her vote. I don't believe she would have changed her vote if she didn't think reed was Liara or another powerful role. But like I said, she couldn't have thought that reed was another powerful role given the fact she was also not suspicious of Space, so she had to have thought reed was Liara. So this means that I don't believe that she didn't know about reed's hint before he got eliminated. So this begs the question: Why would she claim she didn't know? If she was Good Javik, there wouldn't have been a need to claim she had no idea about reed's hint. She could have simply said that she didn't believe her ability would helped that much given the drawback and the fact that Reed wouldn't have been able to use his ability afterwards. The only reason I can come up with for why she claimed this is to ward off suspicion as Evil Javik. So I'm going to take a chance and vote for Catilina. Sorry Cati. Also I want to point out that the reason why I'm suspicious of Evil Javik isn't because of the fact that reed wasn't protected, but because of a discrepancy in dragon's posts that I've explained about. I was before, but then I realized that Javik's ability also shuts down night abilities for other roles on top of his drawback. So I can see how a Good Javik wouldn't protect reed last night. I can't find the post from dragon, you and adonniel are referring too. And I didn't see anyone else even mention it. Since I am writing from my phone and had trouble with posts not showing before, could one of you quote said post? That would be great
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 28, 2018 8:01:35 GMT
Okay, I am going to be highly unorthodox here and do as Fylimar asked. Since Adonniel was casting aspersions at me at the beginning on the basis of things she has done as GM, I may as well live up to it. There was a reason why I declared the voting up until Dragon's departure void and that was because whatever Dragon may or may not have said, she was no longer around to defend herself even if there was a perfectly valid reason why she did so. It was therefore rather unfair to condemn the person taking over the role on the basis of Dragon's behaviour. As Cati is less familiar with this setting than I am, I am going to put forward all the facts so people can make up their minds based on them rather than selective quotes that other people might make. So the narrative concerning Reed's role claim went as follows: In interest of getting the game moving along since the ice has been broken... I vote for DragontartarePfft. You’re just bitter over what happened last time In any case, you don’t want to get rid of me. I’m tons of fun at parties Well, since no one else is going, I guess I'll return Reed's vote. Jokes on you, I don't go to parties! Moonae votes for Reed. Well, I just don't see the point in the first round to constantly say "totally random" or "shot in the dark." I mean I think it'd be an obvious thing here. That said, Think about the roles and rules, are there any characters that stick out from the others? You may not want to lose this role should you be on team hero. So, that said... I must assume Moonae is team villain having voted for me. Also, as another possible hint... I have voted for Space every game for the first vote, why would I not do so here? I switch my vote from Dragontartare to Moonae. Are you saying you’ve left a hint earlier? I got the hint now, I think, but saying that I’m a spy because I would want you out because of your role only makes sense if you left a hint before I voted. And I just can’t find any. I mean, I could have just missed it, but I’m really not seeing it. Sort of, it was very vague and kind of spoke to the character's personality. Or maybe more so the vibe I got from the character from playing the trilogy. Especially the first game. I didn't think anyone would get it tbh lol Since I'm not a ME pro, I didn't get it either. But since the character, you've hinted at could still be a spy (I thought of Garrus, because of your 'shot in the dark' comment), the role doesn't really mean much. Could it be a spy? Maybe you've thought of the wrong role... I have things to respond to and clues to look for after work. So I might change my vote. Space voted for Catilina And on that note, if I've interpreted Reed correctly I trust Space so I switch my vote from Reed to Catilina. (And, yes, I know Space didn't have much of a reason when making that vote but voting with him is the best I can do at this point. I can't exactly follow Reed's vote.) I got dragon's hint, but I'm not really getting reed's possible hint. If it's the "I don't go to parties" line then I'm even more confused for spoilery reasons I'll explain below. Putting it in spoiler tags just because pela did and just to be sure lol. I didn't mean in DLC. And pretty much only in ME1. Personality wise. Like I said, it was just my impression of said character. I didn't really think anyone would get it. Which was sort of the point I suppose Also, as another possible hint... I have voted for Space every game for the first vote, why would I not do so here? Uh...you're both spies, and you're in cahoots? Nah, too obvious. Probably. Which means you and Space are both safe in my book, for now. I'll have to figure out who to switch my vote to...I guess I can give it to whoever still has their vote on me, which I thought was you? But you changed yours? I think it's just leftover from Gervaise leaving my vote on you because I didn't put it in the right format, which was my bad. So next update, the vote for you should drop off Fair enough. Then I change my vote from Reed to....random number generator says "1", which is pela. Sorry, pela Alright, I actually got your hint reed. Well, I think. Then after Reed's overnight elimination: Alright, I'm a little suspicious towards the rest of the protective roles here. Reed provided a hint that strongly suggested he was Liara. So either Kasumi/Javik didn't get the hint, or they're Evil. I'm personally leaning towards the latter since reed's second hint wasn't so vague I didn't even realize reed left a second hint, so maybe don't lean towards the latter? Ok, now I see reed's hint (at least, what I think was referred to). I completely missed that it was a hint when I read it before. Aww... so THAT'S what reed hinted at I had several options in my head, but now it makes sense. Sadly. Poor Liara I'm sorry Reed. And I didn't get the hint, but then I played ME1 once and am still in my first playthrough of Me2. Basically Liara was the shy, introverted type. So should there have been a party in ME1, I doubt she would have attended and would have opted to go do some mining in a prothean ruin and trap herself instead. lol At least that's the vibe I got from her in the first game. It was after this that the conflict kicked off between Adonniel and Dragon when the latter was questioning Adonniel's logic in voting for her. To my mind what Dragon had been saying is the she didn't realise there were 2 clues to Reed's identity. It wasn't the 2nd (obvious) clue she didn't get, she thought that was the 1st clue. However, on re-reading the posts she realised there had been another earlier clue. Several other people were also unaware that was a clue. Dragon also pointed out why Javik would not necessarily want to use their ability so early in the game. Anyone who has played the game previously would be aware of these drawbacks. It is not just the double elimination the following night but the fact that no one can use their abilities that night including Liara. So Javik is more likely to wait and give other defensive roles (if present) the opportunity to defend Liara. That said, we did have an instance when a person pretending to be Javik (because spies did not then have actual roles) used this as an excuse for why they did not act. What Dragon also pointed out was that since other defensive roles had not been used, or were not successful, then Javik would potentially be the last defensive role left and did people really want to risk eliminating him?
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Post by Moonae on Apr 28, 2018 8:10:38 GMT
Aw, I was all ready to go and qoute a bunch of stuff. It was going to be my big contribution this weekend. (Nice post though gervaise!) I did notice that Dragon saying she didn't get the second hint could be about actually not getting the first hint and therefore thinking that second hint was the first... Now I'm mostly more confused.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 28, 2018 9:32:58 GMT
Thank you, gervaise, you're the best (and you too,Moonae) This shows me, that I didn't miss a post, I just don't read dragons post as suspicious, she didn't react that different from me. She didn't get the hints until it was too late, I didn't get the hints either. I really don't see what adonniel and pela are finding suspicious, which make those two suspicious in my book, so I think, I will leave my vote exactly, where it is.
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