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Post by pelassarias on Sept 11, 2018 20:39:47 GMT
WAIT A MINUTE. ARE YOU TELLING ME THESE EVIL SPIES GOT THIS ROBURORO TO SLIME ME WITH THEIR "REPRODUCTIVE FLUID"?????? I hope the doctors have provided me with a barf bucket and some brandy! I'm officially scarred for life! Also Heroes, you have to avenge me now. This sort of thing cannot go unpunished, just saying!
ETA: Also, great job Grunt! With no eliminations during the last day and night, the Heroes are definitely at an advantage now.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 11, 2018 23:00:09 GMT
Grunt's great!
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 12, 2018 1:05:07 GMT
CSS (citadel security services) ...C-Sec? I feel like I'm missing a reference here and Grunt knows one person he should not vote for Javik isn't guaranteed to be a hero, though. That said, Grunt at least knows who Javik is, and likely will avoid voting for him/her for now. It also means that the spies and Grunt named the same person. It could be a clever ploy by the spies, or it could be that Javik is a player who tends to be targeted early on and so they both named him/her by chance.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Sept 12, 2018 3:41:21 GMT
CSS (citadel security services) ...C-Sec? I feel like I'm missing a reference here Everyone tend to use the short form and forget the rest.
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Post by Moonae on Sept 12, 2018 5:22:58 GMT
CSS (citadel security services) ...C-Sec? I feel like I'm missing a reference here and Grunt knows one person he should not vote for Javik isn't guaranteed to be a hero, though. That said, Grunt at least knows who Javik is, and likely will avoid voting for him/her for now. It also means that the spies and Grunt named the same person. It could be a clever ploy by the spies, or it could be that Javik is a player who tends to be targeted early on and so they both named him/her by chance. Well, Javik may not be guaranteed good at the start of the game, but the fact that Grunt was able to protect him from being attacked by the spies heavily suggests that Javik is not a spy.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Sept 12, 2018 8:50:24 GMT
Update
Votes 0
Still to vote:
Fylimar Sgtreed24 Moonae Romice Catilina Gervaise21 Dragontartare Dustyelf
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 12, 2018 10:18:47 GMT
Javik isn't guaranteed to be a hero, though This is true but if you at least know the identity of a person that is something to go on. Better to vote for the unknown. However, since the spies targeted Javik it follows that Javik must be good because I thought you are not allowed to target your own side. So the spies can't target a fellow spy to make them look innocent. At the most the spies can only opt not to indoctrinate anyone (as I did in the other version of the game). Since the spies clearly attempted an indoctrination, it follows that Javik is good. Now if Grunt was evil, presumably he could opt to protect a hero to throw people off but it does rather seem the waste of an opportunity to remove a hero. So I regard this as an unlikely scenario. Therefore I assume that Grunt is also good.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 12, 2018 10:27:52 GMT
Now as to my vote, it is always difficult deciding between these primitives but for the time being I shall stick with my choice in the first round. I vote for Moonae. (Sorry Moonae, I just noticed your defence of Javik as a hero. Still that could be a spy being helpful to throw people off - I've done the same myself.)
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Post by Catilina on Sept 12, 2018 11:28:31 GMT
My vote is blind yet. Romice
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Sept 12, 2018 11:34:57 GMT
Votes Moonae - 1 Romice - 1
Still to vote: Fylimar Sgtreed24 Moonae Romice Dragontartare Dustyelf
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Post by sgtreed24 on Sept 12, 2018 12:48:27 GMT
Well, since there has been a slight hint and we know what happened during the attempted night time elimination... I can only rule out 1 player from receiving my vote. That still means my vote is just a random shot hoping not to hit Grunt or another hero with it.
I vote for Dustyelf. I am definitely willing to change however.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 12, 2018 17:59:59 GMT
The more I think it about it, the stranger it seems that Dragon should have cast doubt on the idea that Javik is good considering that Dragon is a former GM. It also makes me feel that it is more likely that Moonae is a genuine hero. So I change my vote from Moonae to Dragontartare
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Post by fylimar on Sept 12, 2018 18:04:30 GMT
I do trust gerva for reasons, soso I follow her vote for dragontartare
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 12, 2018 18:31:28 GMT
What does being a former GM have to do with anything?
As always, I like to consider all angles, and a clever ploy by the spies is always a possibility, especially after what they pulled last game.
All I said was that Javik isn't guaranteed good. I didn't say I thought Javik was a spy and I even said it helps that Grunt does know someone's identity. It seems pretty premature to jump the gun and assume I'm a spy based on that one innocuous comment.
And it seems downright suspicious for someone who voiced the same comment I did (Grunt knowing an identity being a good thing) to then turn around and vote for me.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 12, 2018 18:53:42 GMT
All I said was that Javik isn't guaranteed good. That is the whole point. Why say this when it is obvious that the spies attacked Javik? The spies are not allowed to attack their own side. So as far as this game is concerned, Javik is guaranteed as good because the spies attacked him. Had Grunt not intervened then Javik would have been eliminated as a hero.
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Post by romice on Sept 12, 2018 19:00:02 GMT
I don't want to jump on the dragon bandwagon in case it was really an oversight.
A completely non-informed-by-anything vote for moonae.
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 12, 2018 20:30:02 GMT
All I said was that Javik isn't guaranteed good. That is the whole point. Why say this when it is obvious that the spies attacked Javik? The spies are not allowed to attack their own side. So as far as this game is concerned, Javik is guaranteed as good because the spies attacked him. Had Grunt not intervened then Javik would have been eliminated as a hero. Pointing out an aspect of the game shouldn't be that big of a deal all of a sudden. It never had been before. Especially since I acknowledged that for now, knowing that Grunt knows a role makes them both likely trustworthy. You are grasping at the tiniest detail, and ignoring everything else, to make me look guilty. This makes me suspect gervaise21 of being a spy.Edit: Hold that thought. I just saw fylimar's post. I need to wait until after work to take my time here.
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 12, 2018 22:44:43 GMT
Well, Javik may not be guaranteed good at the start of the game, but the fact that Grunt was able to protect him from being attacked by the spies heavily suggests that Javik is not a spy. I know you saw the rest of my post, because you quoted the whole thing: It also means that the spies and Grunt named the same person. It could be a clever ploy by the spies, or it could be that Javik is a player who tends to be targeted early on and so they both named him/her by chance. This theory of mine relies on the assumption that Javik is a hero. Why you and gervaise both ignored this to instead glomp on to the fact that I reminded people that Javik isn't guaranteed good (even though that ended up not being relevant here) is a mystery to me. FFS. Now if Grunt was evil, presumably he could opt to protect a hero to throw people off but it does rather seem the waste of an opportunity to remove a hero. So I regard this as an unlikely scenario. Therefore I assume that Grunt is also good. I'm quoting this for two reasons: 1) It's a waste for the spies, maybe. (But remember Reed purposely voted out Space last round...don't rule out crazy spy tactics.) But even though I initially suggested the crazy spy tactic idea this time, I realized this particular one is impossible, because the narrative mentioned "spies" plural separately from Grunt, so assuming we have two spies, Grunt can't be one of them. 2) If someone tries to point to me "missing" this "obvious" fact as evidence that I am a spy, I can remind them that Javik missed it, too. So...now that I've had time to actually read all the posts, I believe that gervaise is Javik (also lending credence to my theory, stated previously, that both Grunt and the spies targeted a player who tends to get picked early on), and that fylimar is either Grunt or Liara. That means fylimar and gervaise are safe. They've chosen a ridiculous target for their votes, so I obviously can't follow them, but they are not spies themselves.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Sept 12, 2018 23:09:46 GMT
Votes Moonae - 1 Romice - 1 Dragontartare - 2 Dustyelf - 1
Still to vote: Moonae Dragontartare Dustyelf
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Post by Moonae on Sept 13, 2018 8:16:45 GMT
Well, Javik may not be guaranteed good at the start of the game, but the fact that Grunt was able to protect him from being attacked by the spies heavily suggests that Javik is not a spy. I know you saw the rest of my post, because you quoted the whole thing: It also means that the spies and Grunt named the same person. It could be a clever ploy by the spies, or it could be that Javik is a player who tends to be targeted early on and so they both named him/her by chance. This theory of mine relies on the assumption that Javik is a hero. Why you and gervaise both ignored this to instead glomp on to the fact that I reminded people that Javik isn't guaranteed good (even though that ended up not being relevant here) is a mystery to me. FFS. Well, saying that Javik isn't guaranteed good right after the narrative basically confirmed him as good is a bit odd. I'm also not sure what the clever ploy supposedly was other than "target someone and fail". Still, my comment wasn't really aimed at you, but rather pointing out a fact to anyone who wasn't paying close attention and might get confused. In fact, you and Gervaise are the ones I trust, so maybe we should try to direct the conversation elsewhere? Edit: not sure what happened with the formatting??
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 13, 2018 8:17:38 GMT
Well, Dragon, it didn't really matter hinting who I am since the spies already know this but Grunt is a sitting duck since he can't defend himself. Liara is slightly better off since Grunt can defend her. However, it would be helpful to know if there are any other defensive roles active in the game. I know you hinted at a role that can only be used at night in the first round after someone voted for you. Still, unless you are Jack, that still doesn't prove your innocence.
Naturally I don't want to get it wrong in this round but it is easy enough to imply I have made a foolish mistake. I do still have one vote change left and am willing to use it if necessary but I'll wait and see what other people do.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 13, 2018 8:25:43 GMT
2) If someone tries to point to me "missing" this "obvious" fact as evidence that I am a spy, I can remind them that Javik missed it, too. Actually I didn't miss it but was fishing for information. Sadly the only person who bit was you.
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 13, 2018 11:54:31 GMT
Well, Javik may not be guaranteed good at the start of the game, but the fact that Grunt was able to protect him from being attacked by the spies heavily suggests that Javik is not a spy. I know you saw the rest of my post, because you quoted the whole thing: It also means that the spies and Grunt named the same person. It could be a clever ploy by the spies, or it could be that Javik is a player who tends to be targeted early on and so they both named him/her by chance. This theory of mine relies on the assumption that Javik is a hero. Why you and gervaise both ignored this to instead glomp on to the fact that I reminded people that Javik isn't guaranteed good (even though that ended up not being relevant here) is a mystery to me. FFS. Well, saying that Javik isn't guaranteed good right after the narrative basically confirmed him as good is a bit odd. I'm also not sure what the clever ploy supposedly was other than "target someone and fail". Still, my comment wasn't really aimed at you, but rather pointing out a fact to anyone who wasn't paying close attention and might get confused. In fact, you and Gervaise are the ones I trust, so maybe we should try to direct the conversation elsewhere? Edit: not sure what happened with the formatting?? I disagree that it's odd. I'd be happy to move on, except that gervaise is using this very thing to try to convince others that I'm guilty. Nevertheless, you and I can certainly let it go. Do you have anyone you are suspicious of? 2) If someone tries to point to me "missing" this "obvious" fact as evidence that I am a spy, I can remind them that Javik missed it, too. Actually I didn't miss it but was fishing for information. Sadly the only person who bit was you. So you say. What are you fishing for, then? I'd like to remind you that at least the last few times I've played, someone manages to obsess over some minor thing I have said, claiming that my "missing the obvious" is evidence of my guilt. Except that it isn't evidence of anything, because it's consistent behavior for me. You're voting me out over behavior that occurs for me regardless of my role in the game, except you're pretending that I'm doing it because I'm a spy (even though I do it every damn game). I point out things as I see them, wanting to help move the game along, but because of that, sometimes what I point out ends up being wrong or unnecessary.
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Post by pelassarias on Sept 13, 2018 18:45:31 GMT
I don't know, with no other leads or voting patterns to go on during this round, I can see how other players would focus on any inconsistencies or oversights any other players might say. But it is important to point out that dragon does tend to make oversights from time to time, of course this doesn't exonerate her completely, but this behavior is consistent here. Also, yes, I do tend to also look into a player's behavior with mixed results, but relying solely on voting patterns lately tends to be a bit mixed as well due to clever spy tactics.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 13, 2018 19:29:36 GMT
So you say. What are you fishing for, then? I'd like to remind you that at least the last few times I've played, someone manages to obsess over some minor thing I have said, claiming that my "missing the obvious" is evidence of my guilt Look, I accept that if you are innocent then your frustration with me is understandable. However, all I was trying to do was come up with a better reason for making my vote than just "sticking a pin in". I have offered to move my vote but am waiting for the remaining people to do so, including you and Moonae. Fylimar was only following my vote, so she might well move as well if offered a better choice. So, Dragon, who do you think we should vote for instead of you?
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