[Day/Night Game] Trouble on the Citadel - round "LE Part 2: Why Cerberus Is Right For You"

I think it's pretty rough to set a 24 hour limit when three of us haven't even voted yet. I've had to spend this whole time trying to defend myself, so it's not as if I'm blowing off the game. I haven't been able to devote any energy to figuring out who the spies are.

Additionally, Moonae, romice, and @dustyelf have yet to offer any defenses at all.

I can't say a word yet. I just watch.

dragontartare , don't worry. I'm not ending any round until everyone has decided firmly on their votes.  Like I said, I'm waving the flag to entice the bull.

Votes
Moonae - 1
Romice - 2
Dragontartare - 2
Dustyelf - 1

Still to vote:
Moonae
Dragontartare

You're making a mistake in voting me out, guys. You'll lose a valuable addition to your team.

After thinking it through, I trust gervaise21 and fylimar, but I still don't 100% think dragontartare is quilty. Do you guys have any other potential candidates?

Okay, let me explain my problem. Fylimar and Moonae have expressed trust in me. That doesn't actually tell me much since I have been proven a hero. Moonae has also expressed trust in Dragon. Which either suggests she knows something as a hero or is a spy working in collusion or is the Clone* pretending to be someone. In which case there should be another player out there who knows this.

Catilina is being mysterious but that is fair enough if the role needs to stay hidden.
Dusty has not hinted at any sort of role but again that may be necessary because of the nature of the role.
Romice has offered the simple defence of being a useful hero, again without indication of who that person might be.
Dragon has also hinted a night-time role without being any more explicit.

*I think I am right in saying that every role could potentially be in the game this time round. Which means there could be a Clone out there pretending to be a hero.

Since no one other than Romice has voted for Moonae, and she claims it was just random, I assume that means Moonae is a hero. If I am wrong in this, now would be a good time for someone else to act. Otherwise, if Moonae is a hero and has expressed trust in Dragon that suggests that I have targeted the wrong person. Please bear in mind that you should only say you trust someone if you know you can trust them, not simply think you can.

I think there are still roughly 17 hours left until the vote closes and Dragon has not yet voted but at present Romice is in the lead and if no one changes their vote then Romice will be eliminated. OG has said she will not close the vote until everyone has voted but if you have information we can act on, I think it would be helpful to reveal it now.

I have a few thoughts, but I have learned my lesson about expressing them in a rush and having people consider that suspicious. The only thing I will say is that when I gave my role hint, I chose my wording very explicitly. I cannot say more.

It's you and fylimar both, but regardless...I have thoughts on both Moon and dustyelf. Moon first:

I see three possibilities for Moon, considering she said she trusts me. 1) Moon is Liara, and she trusts me because she investigated me last night. She has tried to keep her trust low-key to not out herself. This implies that fylimar's trust in gervaise comes from her role as Grunt (rather than from an investigation), but I figured that was more likely anyway. (And OMG if this is true, Gruntimar please protect Moon tonight.)
2) Moon has no special knowledge about me, but is some other hero and simply doesn't see anything suspicious about my actions, so she trusts me more by default rather than for any specific reason.
3) Moon is a spy, and is hoping that by saying she trusts me, her partner can use me as a shield in case she is found out first. This would work to their advantage since I am already under suspicion. Spies have certainly used this tactic before.

That said, I don't have any reason to suspect Moon right now, since 2/3 of the possibilities I see point to her being a hero, and there is no evidence in particular for #3. So no vote for Moon.

Dustyelf, on the other hand...@dustyelf said of their vote for romice:

What feeling is this? Liara has used the "feeling" excuse in the past to try to conceal herself, but I feel like if dusty were Liara and found out romice is a spy, then they should have voted for romice much sooner, even at the risk of outing themselves. Lollygagging and allowing someone unknown to be voted off when you've caught a spy is a poor Liara tactic.

That leaves dusty's "feeling" as either something dusty sees in Romice's play style, or a spy excuse to place a vote without committing to anything that could come back to bite them later. The other two votes on romice are either blind/random (catilina) or presumably a retaliatory vote/vote to give me a chance to live (moon). Only dusty gave any sort of justification that had to do with romice herself.

So, my initial vote is for dustyelf. I am still interested in hearing others' opinions on this as well as dusty's defense, and hope our esteemed GM will allow time for further discussion.

I have to admit there is another person I totally forgot about and you seem to have as well, Dragon, and that is Reed. Reed voted for Dusty, claiming a random vote, but indicated a willingness to change. Since then Reed has been even more low profile than everyone else.

For the present I am going to hope that Fylimar isn't playing me by expressing trust and that Moonae and Dragon are not in cahoots, so Moon's confidence in Dragon is genuine. That leaves Catilina, Dusty, Reed and Romice as the suspects. Romice is currently in the lead, so I think I will change my vote from Dragontartare to Dustyelf.

This puts them into a tie-breaker unless someone else chooses to break the deadlock.

I'm sorry Dusty but there would be no point in voting for Reed or Catilina if I wanted there to be an alternative to Romice. We have a situation this game where we had absolutely nothing to go on from the first round of voting and everyone seems reluctant to hint who they are, although it is possible to infer an identity for Moonae and Fylimar.

The only person who can be said to have been positively identified is me. I dropped a clue when I made my first vote and no one has challenged this; in fact they seem happy to accept that identity. That means I cannot possibly be a spy in this particular game because they have already attacked me.

I voted for Moonae initially but somehow missed her post expressing confidence in my character as good. When I saw that, I felt that I might have made a mistake, so voted for Dragon on the basis of her suspicions of me (unfounded in view of events). However, Moonae then also expressed trust in Dragon as well as me. This seemed to suggest that Moonae might have privileged information, pointing to either a definite hero or a spy.

If there are two spies working together it has to be Dragon and Moonae. However, no one seems to have challenged Moonae on her implied role claim. Romice voted for her but claimed it was random. No one else has. Therefore I decided that Moonae must be genuine and that would seem to suggest that Dragon could be trusted.

I am sorry if you are a genuine hero, Dusty, but at least this way we have something definite to work with going forward. If you are voted off and revealed as a hero, the people responsible for the vote will be me (proven hero), Dragon (endorsed by Moonae) and Reed. Mind you, it is not unknown for three heroes to vote for the same person but it does make me more suspicious of Reed.

If Romice is voted off and revealed as a genuine hero, those responsible are Catilina, Moonae and you. If Moonae is ruled out as a genuine hero then that directs suspicion at you and Catilina.

I would appeal to all the very low key heroes that hiding your identity does you no good if you are voted off. We need to work together on this. If we are assuming certain people are Liara or Grunt and you know they are not, then for goodness sake vote for them because they have been giving the impression they are.