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Post by Space Cowboy on Oct 5, 2018 23:59:49 GMT
I bring it up, because as the spy myself when I claimed EDI... I heavily considered Legion. However, I thought that bluff could easily be called by voting me out which is a no win situation for the spy. They can't actually switch the votes AND they're eliminated. ETA: Also, should she switch the vote... you then know that she's a trusted hero along with Cati, Romice, and Gervaise. Leaving only Dusty, Dragon, and Space as potential spy. Not really. Lets say she is evil Legion. She takes out Dusty, claims she made a mistake, and we still are unsure between Dragon and Pela, (and me if you insist ) Or can evil Legion not sway the votes?
Anyway if Pela is good legion she has it in her power to save Dusty, should she believe Dusty's innocence.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Oct 6, 2018 0:00:13 GMT
And presumably, unless evil javik is a thing (or evil kasumi is in the game AGAIN lol), then gervaise will have investigated another player and know the villain or another innocent.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Oct 6, 2018 0:01:28 GMT
I bring it up, because as the spy myself when I claimed EDI... I heavily considered Legion. However, I thought that bluff could easily be called by voting me out which is a no win situation for the spy. They can't actually switch the votes AND they're eliminated. ETA: Also, should she switch the vote... you then know that she's a trusted hero along with Cati, Romice, and Gervaise. Leaving only Dusty, Dragon, and Space as potential spy. Not really. Lets say she is evil Legion. She takes out Dusty, claims she made a mistake, and we still are unsure between Dragon and Pela, (and me if you insist ) Or can evil Legion not sway the votes?
Anyway if Pela is good legion she has it in her power to save Dusty, should she believe Dusty's innocence.
That I'm not sure of, it doesn't say in the first post like it does for other evils. Honestly the first post needs some more information posted lol
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Post by Space Cowboy on Oct 6, 2018 0:02:31 GMT
Pela has voted Dusty as well
I'd like to see though if other are willing to switch if you can give us more time? Thanks
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Post by Space Cowboy on Oct 6, 2018 0:03:56 GMT
And presumably, unless evil javik is a thing (or evil kasumi is in the game AGAIN lol), then gervaise will have investigated another player and know the villain or another innocent. Right, and I'm confident she will survive the night
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Post by Space Cowboy on Oct 6, 2018 0:06:44 GMT
Not really. Lets say she is evil Legion. She takes out Dusty, claims she made a mistake, and we still are unsure between Dragon and Pela, (and me if you insist ) Or can evil Legion not sway the votes?
Anyway if Pela is good legion she has it in her power to save Dusty, should she believe Dusty's innocence.
That I'm not sure of, it doesn't say in the first post like it does for other evils. Honestly the first post needs some more information posted lol I agree, it's not clear that the spies had anything to do with the chandelier falling on the krogan heh. I don't know what else it could be though.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Oct 6, 2018 0:21:25 GMT
You can vote for me, I dont mind. Aw It's not that I'm sure you are evil. We just have to vote for somebody. Everyone else followed me, but if they had elected to jump on someone else, I would have followed that one, because out of my 3 suspects I have no idea which one is actually guilty either. As for Romice, it's not an either or. You may well both be innocent. But I'm certain she is based on the fact that she claims a role that is proven to be good according to the narrative of the first night.
It's ok Space and I gave it my best shot! And I haven't convinced anyone . I am not sure if you are a hero or not but your safe anyway and I'm sorry for voting for you. And Space? Don't worry there is room at the bar for when you get eliminated . Thanks! I'll buy you a ghost drink at the ghost bar
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 6, 2018 0:24:51 GMT
Pela has voted Dusty as well
I'd like to see though if other are willing to switch if you can give us more time? Thanks Ah, thanks. Changes made. I won't be closing until all of you have collectively gone to .
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Post by sgtreed24 on Oct 6, 2018 1:46:26 GMT
That I'm not sure of, it doesn't say in the first post like it does for other evils. Honestly the first post needs some more information posted lol I agree, it's not clear that the spies had anything to do with the chandelier falling on the krogan heh. I don't know what else it could be though. No, I meant the first post on this whole thread... about the roles. There needs to be more clear information on what evil versions of the heroes can do. If they can use their powers exactly as the hero does or what.
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Post by pelassarias on Oct 6, 2018 2:43:02 GMT
Sorry dusty , but from where I'm standing the spy either has to be either you or dragon at this point. Gervaise is Liara who investigated Cati. Romice is Good Miranda who used her ability night one and Space is a valuable protective role, so this only leaves the two of you guys as the last spy. I'm going to be honest though and admit I don't find you any more suspicious than dragon. So I am willing to switch to dragon if another hero is also willing to switch to at least put you guys on a tiebreaker.
ETA: If dusty is Evil Garrus and shoots the next night, then even though two Heroes will be gone, dusty will immediately get found out. So either way, one of them will be found out by me and possibly gervaise during the next round. So putting dragon or dusty in a tiebreaker won't necessarily hurt the Heroes' chances of winning in the long run. Also, if any of the Heroes want to see whether or not I am who I hinted at I have no issues with that either.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Oct 6, 2018 3:13:06 GMT
I agree, it's not clear that the spies had anything to do with the chandelier falling on the krogan heh. I don't know what else it could be though. No, I meant the first post on this whole thread... about the roles. There needs to be more clear information on what evil versions of the heroes can do. If they can use their powers exactly as the hero does or what. Oh, yeah agreed about that too.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Oct 6, 2018 3:27:23 GMT
Everyone vote for pela! call the bluff!!!
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 6, 2018 7:25:32 GMT
Most of the heroes simply use their ability in exactly the same way. For example, Legion can sway the votes no matter whether they are good or evil, Javik blocks everyone equally on both sides.
The main differences which have not been made clear are that evil Kasumi actually blocks Liara from investigating for one night and evil Garrus cannot shoot his own side to appear innocent (a moot point in the current game). It is also not made explicit but if an evil Javik were to be voted off or shot by Garrus then Liara would still be so devastated that she would be unable to operate the following night.
Some evil characters have limited benefits to the spies. For example, if an evil Chakwas was eliminated after her fellow spy, then she could bring back her team-mate but everyone would already know they are the spy, so they would instantly be voted off again. However, if there were more than two spies in play then it would become more useful to them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 6, 2018 7:32:48 GMT
Okay, since OG has allowed us more time, I am going to give it some extra thought. There are only two people that I absolutely know I can trust so any one of the other four could be playing us.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 6, 2018 9:48:05 GMT
Everyone vote for pela! call the bluff!!! The problem with this Reed is that at present if we vote for Pela this round and she is Legion, then she will direct votes to someone else and whether she is good or evil that could end up with losing a hero, because there is enough doubt about the other players that even a good Legion could get it wrong. So at the end of the night we could be two heroes down and still none the wiser. Thus it seems preferable to leave Pela alone for the present and then vote for her tomorrow (assuming she survives the night) as by then there will be less options for her to get it wrong and so whether good or evil her choice will be revealing and we will still have sufficient heroes left the following day to vote her off. Considering the various options, it does seem like the choice is between Dragon and Dusty in this round. That does not mean I rule out Space entirely from calculations but that it would be better to leave him in play for the present, given the role he seems to be claiming. I think it highly unlikely that a good Garrus would shoot anyone in the night because of the potential to get it wrong. So if we do spare Dusty, even if evil, it is likely that only one hero would be eliminated overnight as shooting someone would flag Dusty up as the spy and could easily be voted off the following day. So in fact there is no more risk to leaving Dusty in play than there is leaving Dragon in terms of the damage they could do to the heroes overnight if evil. Whilst a good Garrus could remove the problem of an evil Legion by shooting him in the night, as I say above, this could not happen until after another day's voting to be sure he got the right person and I actually think after this vote and another night's activity, it will be possible to resolve who is the spy without needing to go into further night in which Garrus could use his ability. I still feel bad about voting for Dusty but this is my heart speaking rather than my head. Also I would equally feel bad about voting for Dragon simply because she seems an expendable role. However, there is one problem that makes me feel I should switch my vote to her and that is connected to the fact that she can only vote for the designated person. If we miss the spy this round and Dragon is forced to vote for a hero, that could present problems in the next round and definitely in the following round if it ends up going that far. So on this basis, I am sorry Dragon but it does seem to make more sense to vote for you than for Dusty. I change my vote from Dustyelf to Dragontartare
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Post by Space Cowboy on Oct 6, 2018 10:17:29 GMT
We don't know Catalina's role either, only that he is good, correct? His ability may prove useful too. I admit to also feeling a bit guilty over voting Dusty. If she is evil, then well played I'm not entirely convinced that Garrus is her role. She seemed to think she had hinted poorly when Dragon(?) proposed that, but if she is good Garrus, and we eliminate Dragon, then the spy must be Pela, who could then be taken out at night. The one advantage to switching to Pela would have been, if she is the spy, she would be forced to use her ability, on one of Dragon or Dusty. That would lose a hero but leave her without her ability,and vulnerable to voting in the next day round. If Evil Legion used it on one of the rest of us it would simply confirm her as the remaining cerberus agent. Leaving it until later though could very well give her the edge to win. it could also give the good Legion the edge to win for the heroes, mind you. That all is assuming she even is really Legion and not just hiding behind the role. Fine, I'll follow Gerva and switch my vote from Dusty to Dragon, and see where that gets us.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Oct 6, 2018 10:29:17 GMT
The problem with this Reed is that at present if we vote for Pela this round and she is Legion, then she will direct votes to someone else and whether she is good or evil that could end up with losing a hero, because there is enough doubt about the other players that even a good Legion could get it wrong. So at the end of the night we could be two heroes down and still none the wiser. While I agree with your reasoning, given your role, I'd hope by the end of the night you'd be a little wiser
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 6, 2018 10:58:31 GMT
VotesCatilina - 1 Dustyelf - 3 Space Cowboy - 1 Dragontartare - 2 Crew01] Space Cowboy - vote change over once02] Dustyelf - voted 03] Pelassarias - voted 04] Dragontartare - voted 05] Sgtreed24 - Tali'Zorah vas Normandy06] Romice - vote change over once07] Gervaise21 - vote locked08] Fylimar - Agent Kaidan09] Catilina - voted *twiddle fingers*
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Post by sgtreed24 on Oct 6, 2018 17:35:40 GMT
I still think you should force legion to use the power if she's even legion at all, because you all just said, dragon and dusty are expendable roles that you can still win without and this would force a potential evil legion out of her ability OR possibly eliminate an evil dragon or evil dusty with her power.
But I mean, who knows what catilina and even space can do with their powers so hopefully it works out for the heroes!
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 6, 2018 18:20:34 GMT
Everyone still has that option, apart from Dragon. I am the only one who has used up all my vote changes. Dusty is currently still in the lead but there are four people who could change that situation by either voting for Dragon or Pela. I've said why I voted for Dragon but if they prefer putting the Legion claim to the test, I won't hold it against them.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Oct 6, 2018 18:39:45 GMT
Everyone still has that option, apart from Dragon. I am the only one who has used up all my vote changes. Dusty is currently still in the lead but there are four people who could change that situation by either voting for Dragon or Pela. I've said why I voted for Dragon but if they prefer putting the Legion claim to the test, I won't hold it against them. I followed you, but I'll wait to see what everyone else does again. They were all pretty quick to follow me last time. I hope all these changes dont turn out to bite us in the end. (or anywhere else)
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 7, 2018 0:00:24 GMT
Thanks Gervaise and Space. Can I change my vote from Space to Dragon? Yes, you can change twice. ***** Votes
Catilina - 1 Dustyelf - 3 Dragontartare - 3 Crew
01] Space Cowboy - vote change over once02] Dustyelf - vote change over once03] Pelassarias - voted 04] Dragontartare - voted 05] Sgtreed24 - Tali'Zorah vas Normandy
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Post by Catilina on Oct 7, 2018 4:29:15 GMT
Dusty to Dragon then.
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Post by romice on Oct 7, 2018 6:24:46 GMT
It doesn't really change anything, but I'll keep my vote where it is
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 7, 2018 8:54:00 GMT
VotesCatilina - 1 Dustyelf - 2 Dragontartare - 4 Crew01] Space Cowboy - vote change over once02] Dustyelf - vote change over once03] Pelassarias - voted 04] Dragontartare - voted 05] Sgtreed24 - Tali'Zorah vas Normandy06] Romice - vote change over once07] Gervaise21 - vote locked08] Fylimar - Agent Kaidan09] Catilina - vote change over once
Clearly, everyone can see where the hammer will fall so I will end this round officially. Dragontartare is evil Diana Allers. Congratulations heroes! Before any further rounds can take place, we should discuss the problems regards some roles; DL and EDI. I wasn't aware that they were meant to be dropped so I just copied the list of names from the first page. If those roles aren't wanted, then they should be removed from the list. If there's some hope of saving them, then we should discuss further. Additionally, the good and evil powers of each role should be clearly defined in the first page, eliminating confusion and uncertainty. Regards this round. I could see the difficulty when DL came up. With Fylimar eliminated very early, Dragon was stuck so it's not surprising she hasn't got much room to maneuver. It was by chance Gervaise chose to investigate Fylimar on night 1; she wanted to help Fylimar defend since she would sometimes be absent. Good intentions turfed up the "evil agent".
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