[Day/Night Game] Trouble on the Citadel - round "LE Part 2: Why Cerberus Is Right For You"

Nope. I said it was NOT a mistake. Read the whole narrative.

The rule concerning the role of the Evil Clone is as follows:

The Cerberus Science Project. Each day, you must impersonate one of the hero roles by giving at least one hint. How subtle the hint is, is up to you. You may choose the same role or change each day. If the hero you are impersonating gets voted off during a day round, the elimination will leave ambiguous whether the clone or the real character was voted off, and you will assume the role

The Clone could not have assumed the role of Ashley since that role was eliminated during the first night by indoctrination not during the day by vote.

Please don't tell me that I have spent the entire game thinking that the Evil Clone (if they were present) had not yet adopted a role? Obviously once the Clone has adopted one role they cannot switch to another.

So if that ? was not a mistake then currently there is an Ashley/Kaidan who may or may not be the Evil Clone impersonating Ashley/Kaidan. Is that a correct understanding of the situation.

Alright, my apologies. I got creative when perhaps I shouldn't have.

Shepard arrived at the jail, saw the captive.

She commented Ashley is dead on virmire and KAIDAN is alive, so who is this?

Dad was the evil clone, sorry for the confusion. I thought suggesting that a (previous to start of game) dead character was there would be hint enough. This was the 'ambiguous' part of the rules, I guess.

Dad never had the chance to impersonate a role. I didnt know what to do in that case (And couldnt very well ask since both experienced GMs are in the game) so went with a character that was dead in this canon. Also matched his avatar.

In my defense some people got it and some didnt, which is why I left it so long. Again, I'm sorry for the confusion.

I thought, the question mark was because dadi hadn't chosen, if he wanted to be Ashley or Kaidan and you had given him Ashley, because we all know here, that she is his favorite character. Ok, that changes a lot. I thought, EC was still in play.

*waves villains flag*

WE SHALL BE VICTORIOUS!

It's all right Space, I think I shall entitle this one "The Comedy of Errors". You haven't been the only one to make them. I played my part and you have to see the funny side of it. Sherlock Holmes was never this stupid.

Space Cowboy: Don't worry, the game is fun and you are new with new rules, mistakes are bound to happen.

Hey, I've found Mordin and fought my way through the Vorchas and Blue Suns etc. A good exercise for rescueing future Mr. Shepard

I have trouble finding my way though. That was a problem in ME1 too. I always got stuck and run in circles before finding my way.

Fair enough. You aren't at the top of my suspect list anyway.

Yeah, the thing that had me thinking romice was innocent (initially) was adonniel and her voting against each other. But now it's obvious that adonniel has been a really sneaky spy, so I don't think we can ignore the possibility that they planned all this subterfuge, possibly including Evil Garrus shooting adonniel. 

Turn on you how? As in vote for you? If your reasons for voting for me make it seem like you are trying to frame me (as I thought moonae was) then sure, that might make me vote for you. If you mean that I would somehow make it harder for the player if I end up being GM again, then no. If that's it, then I find it unfortunate that you believe I'm that petty. While this game can get emotions going in the moment, it's still just a game, and I'm not going to carry a grudge that way. Hell, I'm joking around in this thread with a known villain who is trying (unsuccessfully, thankfully) to turn the other heros against me.

What abilities have you gotten already? Of the three garages, the most difficult is probably the wide open one with all the crates scattered around. In that case, take a companion with some area-of-effect abilities, and a heavy weapon such as the arc projector or the singularity one...basically, something that will either contain the enemies while you shoot them, or that will take down some of their defenses so you have less health to shoot through. Get the goons as soon as they enter the door. If you have throw and the arc projector, you might try firing the projector once (or twice, if you have tons of ammo), then using throw on any that are still bunched up while you or your companion attack any enemies that have broken away from the group.

As soon as you clear a wave of enemies, advance immediately along the right side of the room (the side where the button is) to the next point of cover and repeat. Once you have cleared the second or third wave, you should be able to run to the button and activate it before the next wave makes it through the door (though they will be visible by then. Then, either throw on your tech armor or dive into cover to keep shooting until the doors close.

For the corridor garage with all the barriers, just be careful of the flame throwers when you round a corner. NEVER rush around a corner unprepared. The remaining garage was pretty straight-forward compared to the other two, I think.

As an adept, I personally took Miranda to the garages with me due to her overload and warp abilities, and left Zaeed with Garrus. I know you don't like Miranda, but if you determine that she has the best skills to compliment Shepard's then take her anyway. Garrus is worth it

The same thing happened to my femshep (and astoundingly, also to my mean broshep before I reloaded to fix it), and Liara's behavior in Lair of the Shadowbroker only affirmed my decision to break up with her. I intend to do a real Liara romance one day just to have done it, but she's way too clingy for me.

You're in the Milky Way for the entirety of MET 

This is true, and worth keeping in mind when evaluating romice's behavior. This actually may be a rule that needs changing for the next game.

I'm worried that the spies have adopted a "look out for number 1" approach this time, which would explain why an evil Garrus might shoot a spy, even though this prevents the spies as a group from taking out two additional heroes (one by evil Garrus, and one by adonniel). 

I think the roles in play (including eliminated) are:
Miranda (good) - I believe I have identified this player, but need to go back and double-check Legion's identity
Garrus (good or evil) - claimed by romice
Liara (good) - Tittus
Kasumi (probably good) - I believe I have identified this player, but need to go back and double-check Legion's identity
Tali (good or evil) - fylimar
Legion (based on Tali's presence and comment) - smiles I'm thinking, though I need to go back and double-check against Tali's votes; makes him really dangerous to vote off if true, especially since he isn't paying attention to the discussion
My role (totally good ) - me; I have given vague hints toward the role
Javik (good) - pela
Diana (good) - moonae
Wrex (evil) - adonniel
Clone (good) - dad

We have caught one spy, with anything from 1-3 more outstanding. I don't think Space is nice enough to give us only two spies, so we're either 4-2 right now, or we are 3-3. If there are four spies in this game, then I honestly don't think the heroes are going to win. Not to say that we shouldn't try anyway

Everyone, no matter their role, should start thinking about potential balance issues that might need to be fixed for the next game.

I dunno... the only known spy this round is behaving quite differently that spies in the past. Like I said to gervaise above, I'm worried that the spies are taking a "me first" approach rather than a team approach, which could ensure that at least one survives to the end of the game. If they aren't taking a team approach, then we can't assume they aren't voting for each other or shooting each other.

As an eliminated player, you are still allowed to discuss your suspicions. Who are you concerned about?

Nevermind, on my reread I found the hint. While browsing on my phone, I had interpreted that hint as Kaidan.



What does that change for you?

I don't actually think your narrative was a screw-up. You just handled a weird situation that hadn't come up before. I'm sure some of my narratives weren't as crystal clear as I thought they were either.

Indeed. A question for you, though. Before you took over this round, we had discussed whether Tali could even be a spy while Legion was a hero, since that would give the spies too much information about a player. We also discussed whether Legion and Tali would automatically have the same good/evil status in order to avoid that problem. Can you confirm whether either of these things are definite rules in your game?

(For the record, if I were GM this round, I would have updated the rules one way or the other if we'd decided that Tali can't be a spy or Tali and Legion had to be on the same side. Totally not blaming you at all. We just didn't think about it in time.)

No need to be snotty. As I've said before, when on my phone I'm generally skimming through quickly because I only have a short window of time to read and respond. The first time I read that post, I interpreted what you said as being Kaidan. Now that I'm sitting here on my laptop with plenty of time, I went back to reread everything and caught the Tali reference. I still have to go back and look at the votes to figure out Legion for sure, though.

dragontartare Not quoting that big post.

No, neither of those should be assumed as rules for this game.

dragontartare my comment wasn't meant to be snotty, sorry . I was just surprised, since you are basically our walking ME encyclopedia here, that you would miss the hint. But it's much harder to get all that over cell phone, I have my problems too, when reading on my cell.

About my Shepards skills: She is Sentinel and has Warp and Overload. I took Mordin and Zaeed with me, since Zaeed can stand a lot of damage, while Miranda always dies in that part and Mordin has that nice burning ability, very effective. I've cleard two garages, the flame thrower and the middle one, my biggest problem is the big one. I will do that tomorrow, I tried today, but I'm tired now and I thought, I have to go through the garage quick to shut the door. I can wait out two waves of enemies, that shouldn't be a problem. It works better now, Sentinel is more suited for me than Vanguard.

About dadi being EC and not Ashley: I do think, it makes a difference, because as I understand, EC can decide to join the spies? And Ashley/Kaidan means, they get a freebe vote even after killed. So EC can be to our disadvantage, while Kaidan is to our advantage. Or did I get the roles wrong? I know, EC isn't necessarily evil, but it is a role, that is always a risk, a bit like Diana, or so I did understand it.

About Liara: yeah, that was totally over the top. I just was nice to the girl, because she just found out, her mother is basically helping a mad serial killer destroying the galaxis, but well, the next time, I'll be super unfriendly to her to avoid getting ninjamanced.

And finally about Miranda: I just parked her in her bureau, she can stay there the whole game, I don't think, I will take her out again. She can do nothing, another crew member can't do either and after my second conversation ('I'm soooo special'), I decided, she is not worth it. She has become my Morrigan of ME . Since my Shep is anti Cerberus, I guess, that is pretty much in character. I don't trust my assistant, that girl, who is too sweet to be believable either (Kelly or something like that. The one, that tells you, when you have a new letter). She sounds brainwashed.

Before I go to bed, Kelly is too nice to be with Cerberus but if you like fish you should be pleasant to her because she can help you prevent their premature death. (That is if you can be bothered with fish)