Bonus power evo of cloak doesnt work

I'm not sure about the whole 2.5 second damage window because the first power it isn't breaking cloak imo, but I agree with the rest somewhat.

What happens ime is that the second power just hits after cloak has expired. It can also happen with duration cloak if you use the second power late enough (tested), and it also occurs with electric slash (tested as well).

I modded TC's duration so even damage cloak lasts longer and I was able to get the second power to do full damage easily.

So what you have to do to max the damage output is pick damage cloak and shoot your gun just before using the second power (needs to be really close one to the other, like hitting fire and the power nearly at the same time). If you're lucky with the timing and the casting animation is short enough the second power will hit during the breaking-cloak damage boost (tested too). Which lasts 1.5 seconds, not 2.5, according to ModMaker stuff and personal experience. You get 2.5 seconds damage window if you break cloak immediately after cloaking. Cloak's minimum duration is 1 second. 1 + 1.5 = 2.5 . While the shadow breaks cloak "visually" immediately, the cooldown is triggered 1 second later, so the 1 second minimum cloak time still applies. (edited) If you break cloak, no matter when, the cloak cooldown starts around 1 second later so I'm going to assume the damage boost window is always 2.5.

u guys are pussies, i SS everything in sight with the shadow, whatever it is, U dont die that much. Sure i prioritize sides and shielded stuff, but my brain cant be searching for a better target more than .2 sec, so i SS everything , and even in solo u can leave to tell about up to w11
Ok, maybe i should retry a SR to be sure

anyway, fun shadow old school business , and for once i cant believe our formerly sexy volus splattering anymore



I thought about most of your points. But Mainly (if damga cloak 4b) : TC is 5.2 s long, so i guess i ll just have to look precisly at the vid as you said, but with 2.6 CD of the build and the example in the capn233 vid, seems we far from that as he does the second SS as soon as the CD ends...
well, the first SS doesnt break TCn but maybe there s still smtg there.

But my new idea is that developpers didnt want bonus power to work with damage TC, cause it wld have been too much. Then, i could check with melee GI too ... TC, proxy, run, HM with huge TC bonus or without it.

ok, i havent DL the vid, so its no proper timing but on the op example vid:
1. first cloak cycle :
first SS lands after almost 2 sec
second SS is launched after 4 sec (i promise i tried to do this properly, it just happen to be a round number)
and hit 5.8 5.9 s after the initial cloak.
2. second cloak cycle
fist ss lands after 1.7 1.8 sec
second ss is launched at 4.4 sec
second SS lands after 5.9 sec too

So, i guess u have no damage boost after cloak when it goes its full duration as Jeremiah12LGeek and @lvca_gr mentionned. And that the hit has to be during cloak bonus damage, not the cast.
It s probably even possible to have no damage boost at all if the travel time + animation is too long with the first SS  and no bonus power ?  2 secshere for 20-30 m ...

well sorry guys, i m just stupid but it gave us a good shadow moment

yeah sure, HM is preffered each time the enemy is in CQC, especially if there are more than one head

Not at all.

Something was up, and there's no reason not to continue expanding the meta-data for the people still playing.

The takeaway seems to be:

- Bonus Power for the Shadow is still good, but should be paired with duration for effectiveness.

- Damage Spec is still good, but shouldn't be combined with bonus power for the purpose of the double-SS tactic. There are still defensive advantages to being able to act more than once in cloak, and as lvca_gr mentioned, most other second attacks can be accomplished successfully.

At least, that's how I see it. I suspect there will be some people who switch out of bonus power, and end up deciding to switch back because they like the ability to remain in cloak for a few seconds after SS, but it might become a bit more of a niche build.

FTFmyself

I think it's because it doesn't break cloak on cast, but when the teleport ends, before the sword strike. That's when cooldown starts.

Also, I'm going to backtrack partially on my theoretical cloak mechanics. If you break cloak, no matter when, the cloak cooldown starts around 1 second later so I'm going to assume the damage boost window is always 2.5. 

And I still advocate for max damage cloak. Shoot to break cloak miliseconds before using the second power to trigger the window. It works.

Another thing to be aware of -- beside the dangers associated with unleashing SS on a Ravager, that is -- is that if 6a (Damage) rather than 6b (Shield Drain) is taken in the Shadow Strike tree, then the resultant damage taken from Shadow Striking and destroying a Cerberus Turret can wreck a Shadow's shields and leave her with only a few bars of health; this becomes particularly evident if, like me, you are running a maximum damage-build (meaning she has but 675 health and 675  shields  until one equips a Cyclonic and/or the Shield Booster, the Juggernaut Shield or the Stronghold Package, to beef her up a bit ).

I see you still haven't signed up for that L2P course?! 

Seriously though, I genuinely don't recognize the character you describe. I played a couple of Shadow games last night and got messages afterwards. Good team, bad team, Cerberus, Collectors - the result was the same both games - everything died except my Shadow. I also played Reapers and SS'd a couple of Ravagers when my Shields were up, without any trouble, although I would still advise caution. Generally a clip from the Piranha is the safer option.

And this is my build in case anyone is interested. There is no argument for Damage Cloak which would persuade me to change from Duration, as there are no sub-Boss enemies who will die any quicker apart from a proportion of Dragoons, who will die to DOT damage or a melee anyway. Dead is dead, while 11.2 seconds is 11.2 seconds should you find yourself with Devices from hell on Jade - as I did last night, against Collectors. Piece of cake. No other Infiltrator offers that as a viable option. So yes: lolbonuspower 

RoystonVasey63 - I don't believe that boosting the Shadow's Shields with Gear is anything like as effective in-game as the Shield Restore option of SS - which more or less turns her into a Vanguard with the added advantage of Cloak. I find that Geth Scanner is almost essential off-host, but if I wasn't using it I'd go for Berserker Gear to speed up Atlas/Prime/Praetorian/Banshee killing, not that it takes that long anyway. 

I think I've had a single wipe with the Shadow on Gold. Ever. I landed in a GiP on Jade with cato, and had no consumables equipped. Combined BSN egos meant too many insta-gels by both of us early on. I learned my lesson though. For all enemies other than the Bosses I listed, she's a full-on Kill Bill ninja assassin, while the Piranha is an ideal weapon for dealing with those Bosses. She has no weakness, no Achilles Heel, no fucks to give; just death in large, stealthy quantities. 

In a co-op game? lol. How does that work exactly?

Mission Successful is the only win that matters. Duration Cloak Shadow is the ultimate win option in the entire game. And fun, too. At least for those of us who don't sound as full of hate as Trump on Muslims. No offence.

As I said, I don't recognize the character you describe, as all the things you describe in these other Shadows that you supposedly witness can be summed up by the word 'scrub'. It's not my fault if the players you allegedly meet can't play properly with her, I just know that I can. And if I can, so can anyone else, provided they take a bit of time to think about what they're doing.