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Post by brandoftime on Nov 28, 2017 20:00:26 GMT
With updates as of 1/25/18, this is still a relevant question, ihmo.
With the whole crazy Battlefront 2 debacle and EA's overall activity this year (Andromeda disaster, Visceral shutdown, moving Bioware into online gaming ala Anthem) what are the real odds that seriously, guys, I'm starting to fear that Dragon Age 4 will most likely be our last single player game in the Dragon Age universe.
More and more studios want 'games as service' model because it sells. This is not just EA, but even tiny Runic games just got shut down this week because the parent company wants to go into live games as service.
And we all know about EA. So, thoughts? Is Dragon Age 4 going to be the last single player game from Bioware?
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 28, 2017 20:14:10 GMT
I hope not because I am only interested in single player games. I think there is enough of a market for them provided they are done well. If EA does decide they want to move away from single player, then I won't buy any more of their games, it is as simple as that. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way. I would have thought it was in EA's interest to keep a diverse portfolio but I suppose we shall just have to wait and see. At present I would just be happy to get some news about DA4.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 28, 2017 20:38:45 GMT
My reaction upon the release of “DragonWatch BattleAge: Shadow of Salos” in 2019:
Seriously, though, I don’t think Dragon Age lends itself well to the whole lootbox thing, but if DA4 comes out and you need to buy 50 ‘Nug Chests’ to get to the ending, what’re you gonna do? You either play it or walk away. I’d probably do the latter.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 28, 2017 21:07:15 GMT
No.
If the next game sells well, I believe it will do better than DAI, I can see another DA game being released after that, and then another, and another, and so on.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 28, 2017 21:41:00 GMT
I hope not but I am worried it could be. I think it largely depends on how Anthem does though. If Anthem does badly and gets bad reviews and al that we may end up losing Bioware altogether. However if it does too well EA may end up being convinced to turn Bioware into an MMO studio so we need Anthem doing just well enough to keep Bioware going but not enough to disrupt the status quo so they can continue their work in making great SP RPG's
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Post by jukaga on Nov 28, 2017 21:49:08 GMT
I rather Bioware burns to the ground than the Anthem model succeeding.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 28, 2017 22:16:06 GMT
No. If the next game sells well, I believe it will do better than DAI, I can see another DA game being released after that, and then another, and another, and so on. I love your unbroken optimism!
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 29, 2017 1:04:39 GMT
It's hard to say. The audience seems to be overwhelmingly SP for this franchise. And while I did enjoy playing DAMP, it was never very popular, even at its height. It didn't catch on in the way that ME3MP did.
My gut tells me if they tried to Destinize Dragon Age, it'd kill the franchise. The market just isn't there for that game. But... it's EA. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they pushed the franchise in that direction anyway. Just assuming that if you build it, the fandom will come.
My bigger fear for Dragon Age though is that they'll push MTs & Loot Boxes heavily into the SP side of the game and make the core game a grind-fest. And that would be the point where BioWare games and I part ways.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 29, 2017 3:43:31 GMT
I rather Bioware burns to the ground than the Anthem model succeeding. If you had said the Battlefront model, I'd understand, but what is your beef with the "Anthem model?" Which, by the way, we barely know anything about. And ... what if the only way Bioware would be allowed to do SP-only DA4, DA5, etc., was to have Anthem be the cash cow that makes the real money, partly subsidizing the more high cost/low-return AAA SP RPGs? Still want Bioware to burn?
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Post by alihou on Nov 29, 2017 6:00:41 GMT
These companies are nuts, why not do both? It's been proven single player games can sell IF they're actually done well. You can't half ass a game (MEA) and it expect it to do well, people aren't stupid. Most people buying games aren't super fans, they pay attention to media and reviews to buy games. You can make money making SP games and do whatever MP game you want, it doesn't have to be one or the other.
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Post by House Targaryen on Nov 29, 2017 6:16:26 GMT
RPGs made Bioware, no RPGs will break them. 90% of the games I won are RPGs, if they want to alienate their RPG fans, major loss of revenue on their part.
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Post by Fredward on Nov 29, 2017 6:59:01 GMT
Yes, frankly it's a serious concern of mine. I read somewhere that 61% of EAs revenue came from online sales, that's insane and while I find it personally upsetting it seems they're doing something right. It's not just a question of "Would this game be profitable if we kept it SP?" it's "How much more profitable could this game be if we made it MP?"
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Post by pessimistpanda on Nov 29, 2017 7:03:21 GMT
Is there any solid evidence that there will BE a Dragon Age 4?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 29, 2017 9:24:09 GMT
Is there any solid evidence that there will BE a Dragon Age 4? There are strong hints and suggestions. That is the only thing there can be at this time. They have advertised hiring positions for the DA team specifically, and we know that the DA team leads and core people are actively working. That is all we're going to get for a long while since they can't officially announce anything. And there was the whole thing with Alexis Kennedy and the DA content he wrote. While granted that could be for anything DA-related, his remarks are highly suggestive that it was for a chapter of the next game, a specific chunk of the universe the player has spent little time in. At the very least, it shows the franchise is not dead.
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Post by eriador117 on Nov 29, 2017 11:41:37 GMT
I hope it is an SP game, not all MP. MP as an option for those who want it, sure, but not the main thrust or story of the game. Our internet is so slow that I can't really play online MP. It took 5 days to install DAI, that's how slow it is. I hope there will be a DA4.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 29, 2017 12:35:27 GMT
It's hard to say. The audience seems to be overwhelmingly SP for this franchise. And while I did enjoy playing DAMP, it was never very popular, even at its height. It didn't catch on in the way that ME3MP did. My gut tells me if they tried to Destinize Dragon Age, it'd kill the franchise. The market just isn't there for that game. But... it's EA. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they pushed the franchise in that direction anyway. Just assuming that if you build it, the fandom will come. My bigger fear for Dragon Age though is that they'll push MTs & Loot Boxes heavily into the SP side of the game and make the core game a grind-fest. And that would be the point where BioWare games and I part ways. I think that goes for both of Bioware's series though. The only reason for me that ME has found some success in the MP is because at it's core it's largely a shooter and a lot of people do enjoy shooters. More so than hack and slashers which is primarily what DA is at it's core. Admittedly a fantasy hack and slasher but still.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 29, 2017 12:40:10 GMT
Is there any solid evidence that there will BE a Dragon Age 4? There are strong hints and suggestions. That is the only thing there can be at this time. They have advertised hiring positions for the DA team specifically, and we know that the DA team leads and core people are actively working. That is all we're going to get for a long while since they can't officially announce anything.
And there was the whole thing with Alexis Kennedy and the DA content he wrote. While granted that could be for anything DA-related, his remarks are highly suggestive that it was for a chapter of the next game, a specific chunk of the universe the player has spent little time in. At the very least, it shows the franchise is not dead. Yeah they can only really announce something when they've got something to show which they likely haven't yet. As it's still likely very early in development still
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 12:46:51 GMT
I would not mind the DA franchise to wrap up so we can get a strong ending with consequences and decide the fates of persistent characters, but I would like to see more SP games from BioWare. If not, well, Spiders and Obsidian are dealing with it, so Bio might end up as an indie with a new name. I would not mind since frostbite is not my favoriteengine and animation obsession is not my cup of tea. If Spiders can pull of beautiful games with voicing, everyone else can too.
I believe the MP games could eventually evolve into something suitable for playing on a casual basis and interesting, if they bring back subscriptions or use season passes in place of the work-like daily grinds and iron-out chapter structures and story continuity ideas. Without the gear pressures I do not mind an idea of creating a character that I love who will have evolving adventures for a couple years. Counting on a 2 to 5 years of game’s life vs a decade imo is more realistic in planning of such games, and intending them for influx of people/revolving doors rather than for the content-devouring leet minority.
I think the bad rap the online games receive overall are the growing pains, so eventually more appealing and moderate models will emerge.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 29, 2017 14:02:06 GMT
RPGs made Bioware, no RPGs will break them. 90% of the games I won are RPGs, if they want to alienate their RPG fans, major loss of revenue on their part. yeah that' s what I like about DA in that it's an RPG first and a hack and slash second not sure I'd have been as much of a fan if it was the other way around as I'm not good with hack and slash games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 14:08:15 GMT
It's hard to say. My bigger fear for Dragon Age though is that they'll push MTs & Loot Boxes heavily into the SP side of the game and make the core game a grind-fest. And that would be the point where BioWare games and I part ways. I have a feeling that this is what AC:Origins is doing.
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Post by brandoftime on Nov 29, 2017 14:55:37 GMT
It's hard to say. My bigger fear for Dragon Age though is that they'll push MTs & Loot Boxes heavily into the SP side of the game and make the core game a grind-fest. And that would be the point where BioWare games and I part ways. I have a feeling that this is what AC:Origins is doing. Have this game, and my brother is now almost 100 percent through it at 80 or so hours of gameplay. Never felt the need for loot boxes and the game is just plain fun and not grind (can't wait to get into it myself:)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 14:59:43 GMT
I have a feeling that this is what AC:Origins is doing. Have this game, and my brother is now almost 100 percent through it at 80 or so hours of gameplay. Never felt the need for loot boxes and the game is just plain fun and not grind (can't wait to get into it myself:) Well, what’s fun for one person is grind for the next, but my understanding is that ACO added the dailies and boxes mechanism to an SP game, indicating that the SP games are not immune from that type of the content or potential to crank up the grind to sell a player shortcuts. Many people do not feel pressure to buy stuff in the MP games either.
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Post by eriador117 on Nov 29, 2017 15:03:36 GMT
Total newb here, what are these lootboxes?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 15:06:50 GMT
Total newb here, what are these lootboxes? Pay extra money, get a box with gear, crafting materials, outfits, etc that help you speed up your progression instead of doing repetitive, challenging or time consuming tasks to accumulate That. Normally, you have a percent chance to get a highly coveted item from the box, the rest is junk. Sometimes you pay for them with in-game currency, and have an ability to purchase that for money from either the company or other players legally instead of earning it through in-game grinds. In extreme cases, the best gear can only be purchased by real money, but that is rare, usually it is just onerous to get that in the game.
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Post by correctamundo on Nov 29, 2017 15:40:53 GMT
Who knows what will happen? DA4 may not be a rpg at all, could be that they give us an RTS in Thedas instead?
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