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Post by brandoftime on Nov 29, 2017 15:48:17 GMT
Who knows what will happen? DA4 may not be a rpg at all, could be that they give us an RTS in Thedas instead? Or release a spin off and we have to wait well into the 2020's for actual Dragon Age 4. This is part of the reason, looking out a bit with market place trends, etc. that I am asking what I did: is the next Dragon Age game, if it's 4 or not, the last single player Dragon Age game? With a growing 5 or more years between installments, it's a legitimate issue, methinks. It would not surprise me, after the year we have all had with EA, that the forthcoming DA game they teased may not be what we all expected.
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Post by correctamundo on Nov 29, 2017 16:16:05 GMT
Who knows what will happen? DA4 may not be a rpg at all, could be that they give us an RTS in Thedas instead? Or release a spin off and we have to wait well into the 2020's for actual Dragon Age 4. This is part of the reason, looking out a bit with market place trends, etc. that I am asking what I did: is the next Dragon Age game, if it's 4 or not, the last single player Dragon Age game? With a growing 5 or more years between installments, it's a legitimate issue, methinks. It would not surprise me, after the year we have all had with EA, that the forthcoming DA game they teased may not be what we all expected. Yes. We know that the original Mass effect team was itching to do anything but Mass effect. Hence Anthem. Much like Bethesda game studio right now rather work on anything but TES. Thev Dragon age team is still there and they should really finiush what they started but somehow (partly from Darrahs tweets) I get the feeling that they may be itching to do something new and different as well. Mike Laidlaw definitely felt it was time. Still I'm hoping for an DA rpg to finish the story they begun in Origins.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 29, 2017 16:21:59 GMT
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Post by fylimar on Nov 29, 2017 17:17:03 GMT
I'm not following the informations that much and I have zero interest in Anthem, so I don't participate in those discussions. But I don't think, they will give up on DA. They did a decent job with all three games and as I get it, they sell well, so there is no reason, not to have this franchise for the single rpg fans and Anthem and whatsoever for the action- and shooter fans.
I'm not against online rpgs, I played SWTOR quite a while and was considered a very decent healer on the server, I played on, but it's not the same as single player rpgs. It takes a lot more time and the problem is, that those games get dumbed down a lot over time, so that everyone can beat it. I'm a casual player too, but I don't want games so easy to beat, that I don't have to put any effort or thinking into it. And in single player games, In a single rpg I can decide, how hard or easy I want to play. If I want to be challenged or just want to experience the story again. In SWTOR, I can do Nightmare operations or something like that, but you need the right people for it and that is not always easy. So imo, it's a good thing, that there is both, single player and multi player and I hope, the gaming studios acknowledge, that fans want both.
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Post by jukaga on Nov 29, 2017 18:02:41 GMT
I rather Bioware burns to the ground than the Anthem model succeeding. If you had said the Battlefront model, I'd understand, but what is your beef with the "Anthem model?" Which, by the way, we barely know anything about. And ... what if the only way Bioware would be allowed to do SP-only DA4, DA5, etc., was to have Anthem be the cash cow that makes the real money, partly subsidizing the more high cost/low-return AAA SP RPGs? Still want Bioware to burn? Online focused, in-game store, Destiny inspired... that's all I need to know.
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Post by tacsear on Nov 29, 2017 19:05:09 GMT
After how BF2 turned out? I doubt it.
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Post by rras1994 on Nov 29, 2017 20:57:54 GMT
I'm not against online rpgs, I played SWTOR quite a while and was considered a very decent healer on the server, I played on, but it's not the same as single player rpgs. It takes a lot more time and the problem is, that those games get dumbed down a lot over time, so that everyone can beat it. I'm a casual player too, but I don't want games so easy to beat, that I don't have to put any effort or thinking into it. And in single player games, In a single rpg I can decide, how hard or easy I want to play. If I want to be challenged or just want to experience the story again. In SWTOR, I can do Nightmare operations or something like that, but you need the right people for it and that is not always easy. So imo, it's a good thing, that there is both, single player and multi player and I hope, the gaming studios acknowledge, that fans want both. Actually in SWTOR, for the last two expansions KOTFE and KOTET, they added a difficulty selecter, so you can chose story, normal or hard mode for the story chapters similar to group content difficulty choices. They haven't added it to the base game however
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Post by fylimar on Nov 29, 2017 21:29:33 GMT
I'm not against online rpgs, I played SWTOR quite a while and was considered a very decent healer on the server, I played on, but it's not the same as single player rpgs. It takes a lot more time and the problem is, that those games get dumbed down a lot over time, so that everyone can beat it. I'm a casual player too, but I don't want games so easy to beat, that I don't have to put any effort or thinking into it. And in single player games, In a single rpg I can decide, how hard or easy I want to play. If I want to be challenged or just want to experience the story again. In SWTOR, I can do Nightmare operations or something like that, but you need the right people for it and that is not always easy. So imo, it's a good thing, that there is both, single player and multi player and I hope, the gaming studios acknowledge, that fans want both. Actually in SWTOR, for the last two expansions KOTFE and KOTET, they added a difficulty selecter, so you can chose story, normal or hard mode for the story chapters similar to group content difficulty choices. They haven't added it to the base game however I know that, I came back to the game for a while, but overall, it just got too easy, the biggest problem is, that you level too quick. Most people don't learn their classes properly anymore imo
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Post by MarilynRobert on Nov 29, 2017 22:58:01 GMT
No. If the next game sells well, I believe it will do better than DAI, I can see another DA game being released after that, and then another, and another, and so on. Yes, that's what I'd like to see!
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Post by Iakus on Nov 29, 2017 23:01:13 GMT
Is Dragon Age 4 going to be the last single player game from Bioware? Who says even DA4 will be SP?
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Post by eriador117 on Nov 29, 2017 23:30:23 GMT
Total newb here, what are these lootboxes? Pay extra money, get a box with gear, crafting materials, outfits, etc that help you speed up your progression instead of doing repetitive, challenging or time consuming tasks to accumulate That. Normally, you have a percent chance to get a highly coveted item from the box, the rest is junk. Sometimes you pay for them with in-game currency, and have an ability to purchase that for money from either the company or other players legally instead of earning it through in-game grinds. In extreme cases, the best gear can only be purchased by real money, but that is rare, usually it is just onerous to get that in the game. Ah, thanks.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 30, 2017 1:31:25 GMT
You know, I was thinking about this today, and I wonder if there is something we could do to be pro-active. Write a letter explaining that we won’t accept pay-to-win lootboxes in future DA content, then get as many DA fans to sign as possible. We’d have to promote it on social media, of course.
We’re not as huge a customer base as the one for Star Wars: Battlefront II, but we’re a fairly passionate fandom.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 30, 2017 2:40:20 GMT
You know, I was thinking about this today, and I wonder if there is something we could do to be pro-active. Write a letter explaining that we won’t accept pay-to-win lootboxes in future DA content, then get as many DA fans to sign as possible. We’d have to promote it on social media, of course. We’re not as huge a customer base as the one for Star Wars: Battlefront II, but we’re a fairly passionate fandom. Sadly, any social media thing would involve Facebook or Twitter, so that's a no-go for me.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 30, 2017 6:15:44 GMT
You know, I was thinking about this today, and I wonder if there is something we could do to be pro-active. Write a letter explaining that we won’t accept pay-to-win lootboxes in future DA content, then get as many DA fans to sign as possible. We’d have to promote it on social media, of course. We’re not as huge a customer base as the one for Star Wars: Battlefront II, but we’re a fairly passionate fandom. Sadly, any social media thing would involve Facebook or Twitter, so that's a no-go for me. I don’t have a lot of followers on Twitter, but I think I could reach out to a couple of folks who do. Also, I think I could start a thread on the Dragon Age Reddit, and somebody else who l’s active on Tumblr could make a post there. Maybe the letter/petition doesn’t have to be as confrontational as “No lootboxes or we’ll boycott!” Maybe we could just state “we value the single-player experience of Dragon Age and will support the series while it remains an SP experience.” It’s an idea. Not one likely to be successful, but the alternative is sitting around and waiting anxiously to see how bad the microtransactions are in DA4. Unless anyone objects, maybe I’ll draft something up and come back here.
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Post by JokeDealer on Nov 30, 2017 8:44:14 GMT
With the whole crazy Battlefront 2 debacle and EA's overall activity this year (Andromeda disaster, Visceral shutdown, moving Bioware into online gaming ala Anthem) what are the real odds that seriously, guys, I'm starting to fear that Dragon Age 4 will most likely be our last single player game in the Dragon Age universe. More and more studios want 'games as service' model because it sells. This is not just EA, but even tiny Runic games just got shut down this week because the parent company wants to go into live games as service. And we all know about EA. So, thoughts? Is Dragon Age 4 going to be the last single player game from Bioware? Although I understand and sympathize with your fears, Dragon Age Inquisition was, according to EA, the "most successful" launch in Bioware's history. It easily surpassed expectations and it was critically well received, and it even won a few Game of the Year awards. Besides, EA hasn't really meddled in Bioware games since Dragon Age 2. Yes, they still have a hand in things and they ultimately say what does or doesn't get approved for development, but they've learned to let Bioware do their own thing. Based on what I know about Andromeda's development, its woes had more to do with leadership changes and Bioware Edmonton taking devs from Montreal to work on Inquisition and Anthem, and less to do with EA necessarily throwing things off course. From what I can tell, the only thing EA did wrong was hold them to a deadline. In regards to Visceral shutting down, they hadn't made a good game since Dead Space 2. Dante's Inferno, Dead Space 3, and Battlefield Hardline's campaign (which they developed) were far from being masterpieces in gaming, much less satisfying, single-player experiences. Adding one person who worked on Uncharted wasn't going to suddenly ensure that their Star Wars game would be good. I'm sad that we'll probably never see a Dead Space 4, but I'm not surprised that they were canned. As for Anthem, Bioware has been doing multiplayer since Baldur's Gate and it's been a regular part of their games since Mass Effect 3. Also, Casey Hudson wanted to have multiplayer in Mass Effect since the beginning, but they simply lacked resources to do so. Anthem may be taking their flirtation with multiplayer to the next level, but they are hardly being forced to do so. Besides, the devs have offered plenty of assurances that there will still be a heavy focus on narrative and that the game can be enjoyed solo. As for how enjoyable Anthem will be by oneself, no one really knows at this point. That being said, I am incredibly wary of EA's policy on microtransactions and how they might affect Anthem. I don't think Dragon Age 4 will be the last single player game from Bioware, or, at the very least, I don't see it being the last Bioware game with a strong, single-player experience. DA4 having multiplayer is a given and I would love to see some form of co-op, but I don't think either would prevent me from enjoying the single-player content to its fullest. Ultimately, I get why you're worried, but I think it's going to be okay.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 30, 2017 18:28:17 GMT
In regards to Visceral shutting down, they hadn't made a good game since Dead Space 2. Dante's Inferno, Dead Space 3, and Battlefield Hardline's campaign (which they developed) were far from being masterpieces in gaming, much less satisfying, single-player experiences. Good post, but one point of order: Dead Space 3 crashed and burned largely because of EA's meddling. Visceral wanted a survival horror and EA wanted a shooter with online multiplayer and microtransactions. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-02-23-the-dead-space-3-the-developers-wanted-to-make
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Post by JokeDealer on Nov 30, 2017 21:05:17 GMT
In regards to Visceral shutting down, they hadn't made a good game since Dead Space 2. Dante's Inferno, Dead Space 3, and Battlefield Hardline's campaign (which they developed) were far from being masterpieces in gaming, much less satisfying, single-player experiences. Good post, but one point of order: Dead Space 3 crashed and burned largely because of EA's meddling. Visceral wanted a survival horror and EA wanted a shooter with online multiplayer and microtransactions. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-02-23-the-dead-space-3-the-developers-wanted-to-makeThat's a fair point and I thank you for making it. Regardless, Dead Space 3 wasn't very good. The campaign's narrative simply lacked the same level of quality as the previous titles, and I don't think making the gameplay more akin to survival horror would've changed that. In fact, I found its unique co-op elements to be the only redeeming aspect of the game. Both players could be in the same room, yet be seeing two very different things and that truly terrified me. It made me feel alone and crazy, and I didn't really trust anything I saw after a certain point.
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Post by Superhik on Nov 30, 2017 21:14:08 GMT
Well, they could shift to co-op MP, sees no problem with that. Folks have short memories: Baldur's Gate, NWN, etc and it worked well there. ( well, sort of) Add romances to the mix and you'd have some interesting and new on the market...imagine suikoden/griffith romancing one another, sort of Player/Morrigan that kind of volatile relationship, lol.
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Post by warden on Dec 1, 2017 20:13:24 GMT
someone correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't dragon age planned to be five games or so? (even if it was clear that after Origins they hadn't anything more planned)
so i expect they finish this five games plan and then move on, i hope they don't try that shit of over-expanding things when aren't necessary
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Post by moderateosprey on Dec 2, 2017 12:38:37 GMT
I sincerely hope that the next DA game will be a good solid return to its roots with non of these new trends.
I was a bit disappointed to see the 'Reward Boxes' in Horizon Zero Dawn. They were entirely within the game and didn't require MTX of any kind, but they just broke my immersion. I like my loot to be contextual in my RPGs - clothes in wardrobes, rocks in mines, weapons in armouries, etc.
I also not fan of the 'its only cosmetic' argument. Dressing up my characters in RPGs is part of the core gameplay, IMO.
I suspect I won't get get my hopes realised, tho'.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 3, 2017 22:14:24 GMT
At this point, I'd be surprised if we even GET a DA4. Single player or no!
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 3, 2017 22:18:10 GMT
someone correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't dragon age planned to be five games or so? (even if it was clear that after Origins they hadn't anything more planned) so i expect they finish this five games plan and then move on, i hope they don't try that shit of over-expanding things when aren't necessary Originally, only one game was supposed to be developed. But once it proved to be such a huge hit, they changed it to five games. However, given the so called 'fan' hatred over MEA, I doubt EA/Bioware will bother making another DA.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 4, 2017 1:58:43 GMT
Originally, only one game was supposed to be developed. But once it proved to be such a huge hit, they changed it to five games. However, given the so called 'fan' hatred over MEA, I doubt EA/Bioware will bother making another DA. You're just wrong about pretty much everything. They planned ahead for five games, but the series can go on. Read this whole Titter comment thread where he replies; too many to post here. Also, they ARE making one. The DA team has new hires and the core team is doing their thing. They can't talk about it officially, but there are frequently hints that they're working. They can't ramp up to full production until Anthem is nearing completion.
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Post by brandoftime on Jan 25, 2018 15:20:49 GMT
Given the new info about DA4 and implemented 'live service' shit, not too far off to necro this thread, methinks. So this is why we have to wait 6 or 7 years between games, to reboot it for this crap? Really?
I am very, very worried about the future of Bioware and naturally, what we all affectionately call 'Dragon Age 4'.
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