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Post by goishen on Sept 30, 2016 14:07:53 GMT
I think everybody here is misunderstanding me, and I just wanna make something clear. I'm imagining when we get to Andromeda that the arks were set up to be our citadels/capitol ships. The "separatist" movement wants to take the arks and go back to the MW.
So, all in all, it'll be a battle over the arks with neither side trying to destroy them. One side believes them to be the capitol ships, so why destroy them? One side needs them to get back and they would take too long to rebuild.
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Post by Beerfish on Sept 30, 2016 14:10:13 GMT
They'll just have to reroute auxillary power through the deflector dish as they fire a full spread of photon torpedoes:whistle: I throw up a little in my mouth every time I hear Star Trek technobabble. Don't get your dilithium crystals in a knot.
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Post by Ahriman on Sept 30, 2016 14:21:37 GMT
The "separatist" movement wants to take the arks and go back to the MW. Why would anyone want to go back if they are all volunteers and what would they would in a world which went 600-1000 years forward?
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Post by goishen on Sept 30, 2016 14:24:42 GMT
Because maybe they thought they were going to an uninhabited place? Maybe they were kidnapped and forced along? Maybe they were all lied to, "Yes, we're staying in a place in the MW"? Maybe they are afraid of the technology the Andromedans have? Maybe they're homesick? Maybe all the above?
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Post by Ahriman on Sept 30, 2016 14:36:46 GMT
So now what? It happened 300 years ago, it's like trying to return in medieval, the place they were taken from is no longer there.
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Post by goishen on Sept 30, 2016 14:40:45 GMT
It's returning to nostalgia, as well as answering some of our questions about leaving. What's so hard to grasp about this?
That's all that it is, a theory. From the response, I'm gathering a rather popular one.
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Post by goishen on Sept 30, 2016 14:44:22 GMT
Meh, MW separatists sounds rather contrived to me, also terribly boring and uninteresting.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 30, 2016 16:38:47 GMT
I cannot see a fair number of people opting to return to the Milky Way: I can see some wanting to for emotionally reasons but knowing there's not much of a point and so having no intention of making a push to do so. From what I can recall, Andromeda is also set about 400 years after the trilogy.
If the people know about the Reapers then they'd likely know that they would not be able to make a difference and that it would be the best course for the continuation of their respective races to stay in the Andromeda galaxy and rebuil there. Even if they find super-duper technology then there'd still have passed about 400 years so the battle would likely either have been lost or won by that point.
If the people don't know about the Reapers and believe this is a one-way colonization trip then they likely left the Milky Way expecting not to return.
At best, I can see some thinking an effort could be made in the far future to send an expedition back to the Milky Way to check on things after they've established a functioning and prospering home in Andromeda. I can also see some thinking it would not be a good idea out of fear that the Reapers were still keeping watch and might decide to finish the purge in Andromeda if they found out there were survivors.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 19:24:02 GMT
From the Citadel DLC, info found in the archives, we know the council understood the threat of the Reapers and chose to hide it from the general population of the MWG (apparently, hiding information is much easier about 17 decades from now, than it is today).
If the Reapers are on the way, in just a few years ... and it took nearly the entire combined effort of the MWG's fleets to stop one Reaper, then it is probably not practical under those time constraints to build a space force and/or planet defenses that are going to defeat a large number of Reapers conventionally (we will darken your skies; we are legion) ... so better to plan on some alternatives. Like build ark ships to transplant at least some of the MWG species into another galaxy. Like dig through every Prothean ruin to try and find some kind of Reaper killer weapon. Like search the galaxy for any hint of something that killed Reapers in the past.
So while the colonists would not know of the outcome of the Reaper battle, they would most likely know why they are making the journey. Stuff back home will either be gone (Reapers win) or largely gone/radically changed (Reapers lose ... in whatever manner) because to travel to Andromeda for 600 years, then return after another 600 years ... stuff is going to be different after more than a millennia.
And if you stay in Andromeda for any length of time ... 100, 200, 300 years, only the Krogan and Asari will have anyone left, who was born in the MWG ... the rest will now be Andromedeans. The offspring of immigrants, yes ... but born in the Andromeda galaxy. The MWG may hold some fascination to those offspring ... but enough to make a 600 year, one way journey?
Unless they seriously flop in their efforts to find a new home in Andromeda and scurry back to the MWG with their collective tails between their legs ... anyone not an original Krogan or Asari, going back to the MWG is going to be as an immigrant, exploring something that will be as alien to them as Andromeda was for their parents.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Sept 30, 2016 20:25:53 GMT
<stuff> So, why would you want to go back? Because i left the oven turned on
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 30, 2016 20:37:13 GMT
Humans born in the Milky Way are humans. Regardless of which Milky Way system they are born in.
Those that will be born in Andromeda? They will be humans.
Likewise for the other non-human species with us. They will not be Andromedans; but Salarian, Krogan, Asari, etc.
Being in another physical location means nothing, other than that you are in another location.
Earth will always be our species' home.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 30, 2016 20:44:15 GMT
Earth will always be our species' home. I disagree. I love how Legion put what home is. "'Home' is recognized patterns. Known spaces. Familiar thought processes of fellow sapients. It is belonging. A planet is an amount of material massive enough to collapse into a spherical volume. Rocks, ice, and gases are not 'home'. The home of the Creators is where the Creators are. Their place of origin is not relevant - only where they choose to go together."
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 30, 2016 21:28:40 GMT
Our personal home, yes. I agree.
Our species' home? No.
It is, and always be, Earth.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 30, 2016 21:31:24 GMT
Humans born in the Milky Way are humans. Regardless of which Milky Way system they are born in. Those that will be born in Andromeda? They will be humans. Likewise for the other non-human species with us. They will not be Andromedans; but Salarian, Krogan, Asari, etc. Being in another physical location means nothing, other than that you are in another location.Earth will always be our species' home. Yeah, no, I have to disagree or, at the very least, argue that Andromeda-born humans would differ in how they thought and felt about Earth.
I know this is somewhat cheating when it comes to discussions but I'm going to relay a tiny bit of my personal background here to provide one such perspective that there'd be: see, my father and his father immigrated to the country in which I was born. That country is my home in heart and mind. I was not only born here, I was raised here. It is where I grew up and where so many of my experiences with life lies.
In the city where I was born, I am never lost because I remember every part of it and I can find my way without a map or looking at signs.
In this city is the home of my grandfather that I visited so often and the hospice where he died. When I walk by either of those places, I remember those times and feel certain things.
In this country, I've experienced road trips to beaches as a child and as an adult, I feel certain things when I see those beaches be they good or bad.
This is the country in which I was born and raised. This is the country in which the best and hardest times of my life so far happened. This is the country in which I have my life. This is the country where I have my heart and mind. This is my home. It will never be just another location to me.
My father and grandfather might tell me stories of the country in which they were born and the respective things they experienced growing up in their country but the thing is that while I find it interesting to hear about, I don't feel a connection to that country. It is just another location in the world that has a note attached to it in my mind that says this is where my paternal family is from.
Tl:DR: For, at least, a fair number of Andromeda-born humans, Earth is going to be just another location in far away space. It may be where their family was originally from but although they might hear stories of life there and learn about it's importance in the history of their race, they won't feel strongly about the planet. It is the point of origin for their race and it is the setting of historical events but it's not their home and it is not the setting of their lives.
Note: I feel I should note that my father, grandfather and grandmother weren't fleeing anything, they weren't poor and the country wasn't in some state that made it dangerous so this is not a case of me feeling disassociated from the country because of some negative connotations.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 30, 2016 22:05:54 GMT
Our personal home, yes. I agree. Our species' home? No. It is, and always be, Earth. Yes and no, in my opinion. Earth is the point of origin for humanity. A significant portion of humanity also reside there and consider it home but there are portions of humanity that reside on other planets and to whom those worlds are home.
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Post by Tosh on Sept 30, 2016 22:43:23 GMT
They'll just have to reroute auxillary power through the deflector dish as they fire a full spread of photon torpedoes:whistle: Rerouting auxiliary power through the main deflector while firing a full spread of photon torpedoes!? Are you mad? That could overload the primary-through-tertiary EPS conduits on decks 24 to 26, disrupting the ship's primary structural integrity field generators! You'll be lucky if the shearing forces don't tear us stem from stern! Yeah... And have half of the bridge consoles EXPLODE. (BTW, did anyone at the Star Fleet docks think of the option of not putting explosives under each console and screen?)
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Post by Spectr61 on Oct 1, 2016 8:34:24 GMT
Do conflate a personal home with an entire species' home.
Call whatever or wherever you identify as your personal home; but your personal choice, or desire, or feelings have zero impact on the fact that the human species' home is Earth.
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Post by Ahriman on Oct 1, 2016 9:02:52 GMT
Do conflate a personal home with an entire species' home. Call whatever or wherever you identify as your personal home; but your personal choice, or desire, or feelings have zero impact on the fact that the human species' home is Earth. Africa is a place of our origin, yet I doubt many of you would like to live there. So what's the point?
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Post by Monk on Oct 1, 2016 16:06:37 GMT
While not every Milky Wayan's going to envision their home planet as such, there will be collection who feel strongly about their family history, and in extension, the "place" of origin of their family.
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Post by nanotm on Oct 1, 2016 16:10:43 GMT
Rerouting auxiliary power through the main deflector while firing a full spread of photon torpedoes!? Are you mad? That could overload the primary-through-tertiary EPS conduits on decks 24 to 26, disrupting the ship's primary structural integrity field generators! You'll be lucky if the shearing forces don't tear us stem from stern! Yeah... And have half of the bridge consoles EXPLODE. (BTW, did anyone at the Star Fleet docks think of the option of not putting explosives under each console and screen?) no the self destruct has to be total to prevent the enemy from gaining knowledge of anything should you be boarded..... omega protocols were created for a reason not just to sound sorta cool everyone and their dog knows that if their jobspec somes with an omega tag there supposed to disintegrate rather than be a coward .....
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Post by Spectr61 on Oct 1, 2016 19:12:02 GMT
Do conflate a personal home with an entire species' home. Call whatever or wherever you identify as your personal home; but your personal choice, or desire, or feelings have zero impact on the fact that the human species' home is Earth. Africa is a place of our origin, yet I doubt many of you would like to live there. So what's the point? Exactly that. Where one chooses to exist currently changes nothing as to our origin, or original "home". Earth is the human species point of origin, or, original "home". Personal feelings, or the location of one's current "home" do not change that. Earth is, and always will be, our species' point of origin, or, original "home".
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Post by bshep on Oct 1, 2016 20:32:34 GMT
Have to back Spectr61 on that. The same is also true to salarians, krogans, quarians, turians etcetera. The pale blue dot is our point of origin, humans in ME may not be earthlings anymore but their ancestors once upon a time were.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 2, 2016 19:49:22 GMT
Place of species origin =/= home.
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Post by nanotm on Oct 2, 2016 20:19:28 GMT
Place of species origin =/= home. home is where your happiest ... I think I would be happiest on a star ship on long range deep space discovery missions ..... but until then I'll just have to settle for at home with the wife n kids
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Post by Spectr61 on Oct 3, 2016 8:04:32 GMT
Why the Milky Way/Earth being our home of origin matters is that this makes us invaders from the Andromedan perspective.
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