My 100% honest opinion on this game (Warning long post)

Lol.

"People praise Horizon, but that's only because it has better sound, environment design, character design, acting, combat design, story..."

I mean, what do you think 'production values' ARE?

really??? While the BACKstory in horizon is good, the story which is playable is not. 
And not even a single quest in horizon stands up to the first time in the valt, or cora's loyalty foor example.
also sidequests. and dialogue and characters. Just stop it. production values are graphics/sound and presentation.

You are of course entitled to this opinion, I'll simply say I heavily disagree with it, in almost every way and leave it at that. I could go down my list of complaints yet again, but instead I'll use an intangible example of what I'm talking about.

The MET was so amazing to me, I played ME1 over 50 times, 50 is when I stopped counting. The first 15 of which were back to back after release. ME2 I played over 35 times, again when I stopped counting. ME3 I played a grand total of 3 times, needless to say I find that game overall not very good, only still enjoyable for 3 things not relevant to this post. This game broke my heart utterly, and made me fall out of love with this franchise. I still played it 2 more times.

I bought every comic book, every novel, I bought the $120 hoodie, two pairs of the $90 shoes, a hat, a shirt, a belt buckle I don't even use, $50 worth of Lithographs that are still on my wall, framed in glass, and would have bought the $250 Spectre Watch had I the money at the time to make the deposit. After ME3 I had no desire to spend another penny on merch, and didn't. I STILL played ME3 two more times. I also want to note, no other game franchise, has ever been so amazing that I've wanted to buy merch for it, none. Not even my second love Elder Scrolls.

MEA? I played once, and got bored halfway through it, having to force myself to the finish just so I can claim I finished it. It is the first Bioware game I've ever played, that I have had zero desire to ever replay, and this game didn't even break my heart, or was anywhere near as disappointing to me, as ME3 was. I went into this game with very low, heartbroken expectations, and came away feeling absolutely nothing. No hate, no love, nothing at all. I even bought the first book, thinking that might salvage the experience. Once again, I got halfway through it, and then lost total interest. I've never before not finished a book halfway read, even books I actively didn't like. I felt nothing for Andromeda, absolutely nothing. To me, that is far more damming than hating it. I HATE ME3, I loath it with passions few would understand, but it still had enough for me to go back twice.

Maybe I cared too much, maybe I'm simply unreasonable, I'm sure many in this thread will have justifications they will use, and thats fine. But I won't shy away from expressing my Honest Opinion about my experience. I hope you all have a wonderful day.Just want to s

oh really? While the BACKstory in horizon is good, the story which is playable is not by any means. all i idid was a stroll from my village to meridian and i kid you not ,i do not remember many main quests
And not even a single quest in horizon stands up to the first time in the valt, or cora's loyalty foor example.
also sidequests. and dialogue and characters. Just stop it. production values are graphics/sound and presentation.

You are of course entitled to this opinion, I'll simply say I heavily disagree with it, in almost every way and leave it at that. I could go down my list of complaints yet again, but instead I'll use an intangible example of what I'm talking about.

The MET was so amazing to me, I played ME1 over 50 times, 50 is when I stopped counting. The first 15 of which were back to back after release. ME2 I played over 35 times, again when I stopped counting. ME3 I played a grand total of 3 times, needless to say I find that game overall not very good, only still enjoyable for 3 things not relevant to this post. This game broke my heart utterly, and made me fall out of love with this franchise. I still played it 2 more times.

I bought every comic book, every novel, I bought the $120 hoodie, two pairs of the $90 shoes, a hat, a shirt, a belt buckle I don't even use, $50 worth of Lithographs that are still on my wall, framed in glass, and would have bought the $250 Spectre Watch had I the money at the time to make the deposit. After ME3 I had no desire to spend another penny on merch, and didn't. I STILL played ME3 two more times. I also want to note, no other game franchise, has ever been so amazing that I've wanted to buy merch for it, none. Not even my second love Elder Scrolls.

MEA? I played once, and got bored halfway through it, having to force myself to the finish just so I can claim I finished it. It is the first Bioware game I've ever played, that I have had zero desire to ever replay, and this game didn't even break my heart, or was anywhere near as disappointing to me, as ME3 was. I went into this game with very low, heartbroken expectations, and came away feeling absolutely nothing. No hate, no love, nothing at all. I even bought the first book, thinking that might salvage the experience. Once again, I got halfway through it, and then lost total interest. I've never before not finished a book halfway read, even books I actively didn't like. I felt nothing for Andromeda, absolutely nothing. To me, that is far more damming than hating it. I HATE ME3, I loath it with passions few would understand, but it still had enough for me to go back twice.

Maybe I cared too much, maybe I'm simply unreasonable, I'm sure many in this thread will have justifications they will use, and thats fine. But I won't shy away from expressing my Honest Opinion about my experience. I hope you all have a wonderful day.

Who else remembers that one of the biggest complaints about the OT was that the sense of urgency in the OT seemed disjointed by the fact you could throw parties,spend most of your time solving daddy issues, doing random side quests, etc, instead of solving the galactic war or stopping human colonies from being abducted? Peppridge Farms remembers.

Honestly I think this will probably be another area I just plain disagree with the 'community'.  Andromeda had the perfect amount of urgency.  As I aluded to in my first post it was odd that there was this constant ever present threat in the games but yet Shepard spent a lot of time with the option, sometimes heavily laid on, of faffing about.  The entire second game, which yes is my favorite, is the worse offender here.  Andromeda on the other hand the threat was far more nebulus and out there, that is until you triggered the last mission and then you had to deal with the threat...but you didn't have a choice to faff about you had to deal with it. 

Meh I feel like 'production values' are only things that can be a part of a game's overall...value...there is a lot more to the game then graphics or lighting or...well any mechanical stuff like level design. Though I suppose you can broaden the definition to include things like script editing. Still, my point is I have played games with tremendous proudction values and attention to detail, (like Red Dead Redemption) but ultimatley feel souless and listless, while games like Andromeda have obviously pretty crappy production values but is nothing but heart and passion.

Wait: Horizon has something in it called Meridian?  Is it important to the story?

but it shouldn't need DLC for it to be the best of anything.   DLC is in addition of the base game so it doesn't count.