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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 7:57:26 GMT
Oh so you're not crying then. That's good. Pity you still have nothing to say. Maybe you should go back to laughing? Yes, laughing at you being a dishonest hypocrite with no salient arguments is a much better use of my time. Then go back to it, if words and coherent thoughts are too much for you. I also recommend posting pictures for your next post, drawn with crayons. Just a suggestion
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 7:58:16 GMT
I don't understand the people who are salty about not being able to romance Dorian with their female Inquisitor. Just make a male Lavellan and romance them. I already played both Dorian’s romance with a male Inquisitor and flirted with him on a full female Inquisitor run while completing Cullen’s romance - both fully vanilla. I really want to play a female Qunari. I abandoned the female Qunari to play a male one to romance Dorian. I still really want to play her. I can either romance Cassandra or Dorian, but both will require mods. Nobody else is of interest to me, and I want a lovestory. I really like Dorian. I really want to play a female, because it’s not many games that let me and give me both the cool adventure and a romance.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 7:58:26 GMT
There is also a very easy way for them to overcome this problem ... If you're referring to making the romances all bi, then you're mistaken. It was specifically stated that if they had done all bi romances for DAI then we would have gotten four, just as in DA2 (minus DLC Sebastian), which still leaves 2 options for everyone. It can't be shown any clearer how they're decreasing choice.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 3, 2018 8:00:20 GMT
If you're referring to making the romances all bi, then you're mistaken. It was specifically stated that if they had done all bi romances for DAI then we would have gotten four, just as in DA2 (minus DLC Sebastian), which still leaves 2 options for everyone. It can't be shown any clearer how they're decreasing choice. Please point out one demographic that has had their options decreased as the franchise has gone on. You cannot, since for every demographic the number of options have either remained the same since the first game or increased since the first game.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 8:01:39 GMT
Yes, laughing at you being a dishonest hypocrite with no salient arguments is a much better use of my time. Then go back to it, if words and coherent thoughts are too much for you. I also recommend posting pictures for your next post, drawn with crayons. Just a suggestion You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 8:01:47 GMT
It can't be shown any clearer how they're decreasing choice. Please point out one demographic that has had their options decreased as the franchise has gone on. You cannot, since for every demographic the number of options have either remained the same since the first game or increased since the first game. But I wasn't talking about franchise. I was saying "Bioware has been decreasing player choice", I didn't say "people had more choices in Origins"
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 8:02:07 GMT
Then go back to it, if words and coherent thoughts are too much for you. I also recommend posting pictures for your next post, drawn with crayons. Just a suggestion You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean. What words would they be?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 3, 2018 8:03:58 GMT
Please point out one demographic that has had their options decreased as the franchise has gone on. You cannot, since for every demographic the number of options have either remained the same since the first game or increased since the first game. But I wasn't talking about franchise. I was saying "Bioware has been decreasing player choice", I didn't say "people had more choices in Origins" To decrease player choice, that means that earlier there was more choice thus something to decrease from. Bioware has not decreased player choice for romance for any demographic when it comes to Dragon Age or really at all since Mass Effect has also seen either options remain the same or increase for all demographics.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2018 8:05:58 GMT
I don't understand the people who are salty about not being able to romance Dorian with their female Inquisitor. Just make a male Lavellan and romance them. I already played both Dorian’s romance with a male Inquisitor and flirted with him on a full female Inquisitor run while completing Cullen’s romance - both fully vanilla. I really want to play a female Qunari. I abandoned the female Qunari to play a male one to romance Dorian. I still really want to play her. I can either romance Cassandra or Dorian, but both will require mods. Nobody else is of interest to me, and I want a lovestory. Female qunari have four fully fleshed-out romances plus Scout Harding. You not liking them doesn't change that. Do you really, reeaally need to pretend Dorian wouldn't be grossed out by the thought of being romantically involved with your female Inquisitor? I'm not a huge fan of either of Origins' female romances, so you know what I do when I play a heterosexual male character? I don't romance anyone.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 8:07:37 GMT
But I wasn't talking about franchise. I was saying "Bioware has been decreasing player choice", I didn't say "people had more choices in Origins" To decrease player choice, that means that earlier there was more choice thus something to decrease from. Bioware has not decreased player choice for romance for any demographic when it comes to Dragon Age or really at all since Mass Effect has also seen either options remain the same or increase for all demographics. Hmph. This is what I get for taking up an argument thrust upon my by someone constructing a strawman
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 8:08:44 GMT
I already played both Dorian’s romance with a male Inquisitor and flirted with him on a full female Inquisitor run while completing Cullen’s romance - both fully vanilla. I really want to play a female Qunari. I abandoned the female Qunari to play a male one to romance Dorian. I still really want to play her. I can either romance Cassandra or Dorian, but both will require mods. Nobody else is of interest to me, and I want a lovestory. Female qunari have four fully fleshed-out romances plus Scout Harding. You not liking them doesn't change that. Do you really, reeaally need to pretend Dorian wouldn't be grossed out by the thought of being romantically involved with your female Inquisitor? I'm not a huge fan of either of Origins' female romances, so you know what I do when I play a heterosexual male character? I don't romance anyone. But I do like him very much . If all romances that the game offered were Blackwall, Bull, Sera and Josephine, I would play a single character too. The romance is there and it’s wonderful, and the character is awesome. I am straight, but I am not grossed out by the idea of being in love with a woman, particularly in the kind of circumstances you find yourself in the game. The crazy adventure and stuff.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 8:09:33 GMT
To decrease player choice, that means that earlier there was more choice thus something to decrease from. Bioware has not decreased player choice for romance for any demographic when it comes to Dragon Age or really at all since Mass Effect has also seen either options remain the same or increase for all demographics. Hmph. This is what I get for taking up an argument thrust upon my by someone constructing a strawman You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 8:11:39 GMT
Hmph. This is what I get for taking up an argument thrust upon my by someone constructing a strawman You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Oh I know exactly what it means by misrepresenting friend. Maybe you need a dictionary more than I thought?
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2018 8:12:38 GMT
Female qunari have four fully fleshed-out romances plus Scout Harding. You not liking them doesn't change that. Do you really, reeaally need to pretend Dorian wouldn't be grossed out by the thought of being romantically involved with your female Inquisitor? I'm not a huge fan of either of Origins' female romances, so you know what I do when I play a heterosexual male character? I don't romance anyone. But I do like him very much . If all romances that the game offered were Blackwall, Bull, Sera and Josephine, I would play a single character too. The romance is there and it’s wonderful, and the character is awesome. The gay romance with the gay man and his gay story arc is there, yes. You say the character is awesome but you demonstrate a serious lack of understanding of said character and willful ignorance of his gay writer's intent. I don't think that Dorian, who was horrified and hurt by his father's attempt to blood magic the gay away, would feel like you like him very much.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 8:13:43 GMT
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Oh I know exactly what it means by misrepresenting friend. Maybe you need a dictionary more than I thought? Sweetheart, a strawman is not an argument that you don't like. I suggest reading that dictionary of yours before you shove it on someone else.
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Post by Verfallen on Jan 3, 2018 8:15:09 GMT
I remember Erickson from Bioware panning Final Fantasy as not being an RPG. Why? Because the game lacked player choice. Let me clarify, this is a Bioware developer panning Final Fantasy's interactive movies (because that's what they were heading toward) for being too linear. You may like having fewer options and more expansion, but that way leads to a road Bioware themselves have laughed disdainfully at before Not talking about the games as a whole, or trying to get into a debate about how much or little player choice there is overall. I'm just talking about the romance options here, and frankly, I prefer good writing and depth of character to quantity. BioWare staff may have cackled madly about any number of things in the past that have since appeared in their games to some degree. That's neither here nor there. I'd still rather have a deeper story than Witcher 1 style conquest cards (to use the opposite extreme).
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2018 8:15:11 GMT
I am straight, but I am not grossed out by the idea of being in love with a woman, particularly in the kind of circumstances you find yourself in the game. The crazy adventure and stuff. Straight people don't have a history of gay people shaming and trying to forcibly change their sexuality on a personal and societal level. I don't mean grossed out as in "ew, cooties" I mean grossed out as in feeling horrified and violated.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 8:15:42 GMT
Sweetheart, a strawman is not an argument that you don't like. I suggest reading that dictionary of yours before you shove it on someone else. Yet another strawman. I'm not surprised, can't construct thoughts, don't know words, can only laugh and drool, it's a shame ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 8:16:49 GMT
But I do like him very much . If all romances that the game offered were Blackwall, Bull, Sera and Josephine, I would play a single character too. The romance is there and it’s wonderful, and the character is awesome. The gay romance with the gay man and his gay story arc is there, yes. You say the character is awesome but you demonstrate a serious lack of understanding of said character and willful ignorance of his gay writer's intent. I don't think that Dorian, who was horrified and hurt by his father's attempt to blood magic the gay away, would feel like you like him very much. I don’t think so. He approves when a female pc flirts with him, and suggests himself to continue flirting, and will flirt even if she is in a committed relationship with another male. Alternatively, I can mod Cassandra and romance Cassandra as a lesbian & do vanilla flirts with Dorian.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 8:17:23 GMT
Sweetheart, a strawman is not an argument that you don't like. I suggest reading that dictionary of yours before you shove it on someone else. Yet another strawman. I'm not surprised, can't construct thoughts, don't know words, can only laugh and drool, it's a shame ... Keep going. It's amusing to see you do everything you accused me of doing when you first responded to me.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 8:17:32 GMT
Not talking about the games as a whole, or trying to get into a debate about how much or little player choice there is overall. I'm just talking about the romance options here, and frankly, I prefer good writing and depth of character to quantity. BioWare staff may have cackled madly about any number of things in the past that have since appeared in their games to some degree. That's neither here nor there. I'd still rather have a deeper story than Witcher 1 style conquest cards (to use the opposite extreme). I've always preferred player choice over deep stories. If I wanted a deep story I would read a book, or watch a movie. Player choice is what makes games unique, and RPGs unique. That's my feeling on the matter, and it's why Bioware's been slowly drifting away from me for a decade or more
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 8:17:58 GMT
Yet another strawman. I'm not surprised, can't construct thoughts, don't know words, can only laugh and drool, it's a shame ... Keep going. It's amusing to see you do everything you accused me of doing when you first responded to me. Laughing some more? Good for you, it's really the only thing you're good at. Keep it up
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 8:18:38 GMT
The gay romance with the gay man and his gay story arc is there, yes. You say the character is awesome but you demonstrate a serious lack of understanding of said character and willful ignorance of his gay writer's intent. I don't think that Dorian, who was horrified and hurt by his father's attempt to blood magic the gay away, would feel like you like him very much. I don’t think so. He approves when a female pc flirts with him, and suggests himself to continue flirting, and will flirt even if she is in a committed relationship with another male. Alternatively, I can mod Cassandra and romance Cassandra as a lesbian & do vanilla flirts with Dorian. Being open to friendly flirting is a very different thing from being open to actually having sex with someone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 8:20:21 GMT
I am straight, but I am not grossed out by the idea of being in love with a woman, particularly in the kind of circumstances you find yourself in the game. The crazy adventure and stuff. Straight people don't have a history of gay people shaming and trying to forcibly change their sexuality on a personal and societal level. I don't mean grossed out as in "ew, cooties" I mean grossed out as in feeling horrified and violated. Well, as a female I have a history of being shamed and forbidden to enter into any sort of relationships with anyone but a marriage.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 8:21:05 GMT
Straight people don't have a history of gay people shaming and trying to forcibly change their sexuality on a personal and societal level. I don't mean grossed out as in "ew, cooties" I mean grossed out as in feeling horrified and violated. Well, as a female I have a history of being shamed and forbidden to enter into any sort of relationships with anyone but a marriage. And that's wrong, but it's a different beast.
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