How *unappealing* do you predict straight male romance options will be in DA4?

Justice, from Awakening (don't know the mercy):

Justice: You have not paid for your crime yet, mortal.
Nathaniel: Still stewing over that, are you?
Justice: You have been freed, but you have not offered penance.
Nathaniel: Isn't being forced to listen to you, penance enough?

Nah, i don't think so, from what i read of all the discussion, basically it's some people explaining a lot of points, and she is just that's the law and because is the law, then it's what it should be, the funny thing though, is try to input modern law and morals to a medieval fantasy game, that's something i will never comprehend, but well i can't say i'm surprised, that's the main reason why the game is the way it is.

Except I'm not inputting modern law and morals. The game itself says that that crime is punishable by death, so the only law I'm referring to is the one Orlais has in place. 

I absolutely agree. Many people in Orlais (for example, Celene, Gaspard and every noble and Gamer...) committed bigger sins than Blackwall.

The ones he killed were the husband, wife, and children as well as the staff and guards. The noble family probably had grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc. And the staff and guards had family. 

1. Just because they were well off doesn't mean he shouldn't show them some sort of penance. He should have given them an equal amount of gold that he got for the job if for nothing else then a sign of atonement. Plus the staff and guards who were killed weren't wealthy, so they could definitely use the money. 

2. Again, just because it doesn't do any practical good doesn't mean it is an empty gesture. Him doing that would at least show he is sorry for what he has done. As I said earlier, the only part he seems to regret is leaving his men to take the fall.

The law also states that criminals can be claimed by the Grey Wardens, including murderers, so it's perfectly reasonable to have Blackwall give his life to the Wardens as punishment/retribution. Part of Justice is retribution yes, but there's also restoritive justice about making amends which is what the Warden route is. And Blackwell was going to be a warden anyway if the original hadn't died. He was originally conscripted by law, it just wasn't able to be carried out. The Inquisitor isn't messing with the law by making him a warden, they are carrying out the original punishment.

Hanako Ikezawa Money won't bring their loved ones back. And I do think visiting their graves would be a relatively empty gesture - they're dead, it's not like their corpses are going to rise up and forgive him (or maul him or whatever else). We know that he's sorry and that he regrets the death of the family because he says over and over that he's a murderer and unworthy, etc. etc. He's not just referring to the men he let take the fall.

But I really don't think this conversation is going anywhere.

edit: I usually send him to the Grey Wardens, since that was his original fate. It's as much a punishment as anything else.

The game or all three games actually, shows that there are actually a lot of ways law or not, to punish a person for his/her crimes.

and of all, you point to the one that you can easily see in modern life. Something it's not working here.


I have no problem with that, the problem is you are saying that's the only way to deal with this type of persons, and no i'm sorry to say but no, that's not the only way in a fantasy game to deal with this kind of people.

True! But they're more likely to be inhabited by demons than dead people.


That is always my hope. Hell, I want two of them. gril dorf, boye dorf

That's because you were. 

I guess. I mean the race of the LI really doesn't matter to me, but I know a lot of people want one so I hope they get what they want. 

Well, not really Hanako. It just so happened that nobody was agreeing with you or taking your side. It's not our fault you were all alone. I still kind of feel bad about it though. 

Same here. But I think dwarves have been weirdly neglected in the romance category. 

Disagree with you there. The Inquisitor could have any number of views that make him or her want to carry out the punishment. They could feel that Blackwall used the Inquisition as a means for redemption and/or be pissed that they were lied to. You could also have an Inquisitor that lets the whole Herald of Andraste thing go to their head, along with the power of Inquisitor, and believes that they have the authority and right to execute him. You could have a romance who is so pissed about the whole thing, and feels used (waking up naked and alone on a hay bale doesn't help matters), and so wants to kill him because of that. I'm sure other, more creative folks, could come up with other RP reasons.