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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 3, 2016 16:44:26 GMT
Well, he works for BioWare... No way, they only communicate through FB and Twitter remember?  |
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Post by shechinah on Oct 3, 2016 17:35:54 GMT
With all due respect, no. The same applies to plenty of other industries and situations with more significant consequences that people still tend to reply to with: "I don't care" and "no"
I suppose I also don't find the supposed consequences to preordering to be of concern and I've yet to regret preordering a game. If I know I'm going to be buying a game on release then I see no reason to not get the preorder bonuses as well. Not to mention that for certain games such as Bioware's, I like to secure a Collector's Edition. Besides, I can always cancel my pre-order if I find my interest in the game gone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 19:39:34 GMT
Is the March date for every platform, including the PC (okay, I admit, it's only the PC that I care about)? Yes, yes, I have been living under the rock and all that, very, very sorry!
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Post by shechinah on Oct 3, 2016 19:44:27 GMT
Is the March date for every platform, including the PC (okay, I admit, it's only the PC that I care about)? Yes, yes, I have been living under the rock and all that, very, very sorry! I'm assuming it will be released on the same date for both PC, Xbox and Playstation since both Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age: Inquisition were.
Interestingly, Mass Effect 3 was released on 6th March
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 19:48:10 GMT
Is the March date for every platform, including the PC (okay, I admit, it's only the PC that I care about)? Yes, yes, I have been living under the rock and all that, very, very sorry! I'm assuming it will be released on the same date for both PC, Xbox and Playstation since both Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age: Inquisition were.
Interestingly, Mass Effect 3 was released in 6th March
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 3, 2016 19:49:18 GMT
Is the March date for every platform, including the PC (okay, I admit, it's only the PC that I care about)? Yes, yes, I have been living under the rock and all that, very, very sorry! I'm assuming it will be released on the same date for both PC, Xbox and Playstation since both Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age: Inquisition were. Agreed, that's the most likely case. Origin Access members ofc will be able to try the game out a few days earlier... |
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 4, 2016 0:14:27 GMT
This thread had it all. I went from vaguely disappointed at the hint of the possibility of a delay in the OP, to inwardly chuckling at the OP's reluctance to trust The Lead Designer's assurances. Good times.
It seems that some weren't aware that Ian, Aaryn, Jos and several others are part of the community. It's pretty cool that they come here, no? They lurk, they post, and yes, they stealthily gather insight and feedback from this part of the fan base. It's awesome that we can finally make it safe and comfortable for them to do so, once more.
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Post by degs29 on Oct 4, 2016 12:12:42 GMT
Your choice. But we all pay for it. The same applies to plenty of other industries and situations with more significant consequences that people still tend to reply to with: "I don't care" and "no"
I suppose I also don't find the supposed consequences to preordering to be of concern and I've yet to regret preordering a game. If I know I'm going to be buying a game on release then I see no reason to not get the preorder bonuses as well. That's part of what I'm talking about. Aside from encouraging publishers to behave badly by releasing unfinished or improperly tested games, pre-ordering encourages them to cut content from the game and package it as pre-order bonuses in order to convince you to buy the game sight unseen. It was better when pre-order bonuses were physical goods, but now that they're digital, they just divide the community. I understand pre-ordering a physical collector's edition, where the quantity is limited. But I don't see the rational behind pre-ordering digital or standard physical copies, other than the arbitrary reasons publishers put there to take advantage of you. |
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Post by shechinah on Oct 4, 2016 12:33:18 GMT
The same applies to plenty of other industries and situations with more significant consequences that people still tend to reply to with: "I don't care" and "no"
I suppose I also don't find the supposed consequences to preordering to be of concern and I've yet to regret preordering a game. If I know I'm going to be buying a game on release then I see no reason to not get the preorder bonuses as well. That's part of what I'm talking about. Aside from encouraging publishers to behave badly by releasing unfinished or improperly tested games, pre-ordering encourages them to cut content from the game and package it as pre-order bonuses in order to convince you to buy the game sight unseen. It was better when pre-order bonuses were physical goods, but now that they're digital, they just divide the community. I understand pre-ordering a physical collector's edition, where the quantity is limited. But I don't see the rational behind pre-ordering digital or standard physical copies, other than the arbitrary reasons publishers put there to take advantage of you. Again, if I'm buying a game on release then I am going to be basing my interest in said game on what I've seen in promotional material and such or my like of previous installments if it is a franchise. That might constitute as sight unseen to others but not to me. The other alternative that I can think of is that I don't buy games on release and instead wait for reviews or let's play footage to judge by but that would hold so little appeal if I don't want to wait for that. I do that with games I'm not sure if I want to buy, not with games I'm certain I want to buy. The publishers have released unfinished and improperly tested games long before pre-ordering became a thing: gaming history has good examples of this. Furthermore, it is a thing within other industries as well so I'm not so convinced by the notion that it's due to pre-ordering becoming a thing. Releasing unfinished and improperly tested products regardless of the industry is a bad thing but again, I don't see it as having come about or becoming more frequent due to pre-ordering. Personally, I tend to prefer digital bonuses when it comes to pre-ordering and a mix of digital and physical content when it comes to Collector's Editions. |
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Post by degs29 on Oct 4, 2016 12:39:29 GMT
That's part of what I'm talking about. Aside from encouraging publishers to behave badly by releasing unfinished or improperly tested games, pre-ordering encourages them to cut content from the game and package it as pre-order bonuses in order to convince you to buy the game sight unseen. It was better when pre-order bonuses were physical goods, but now that they're digital, they just divide the community. I understand pre-ordering a physical collector's edition, where the quantity is limited. But I don't see the rational behind pre-ordering digital or standard physical copies, other than the arbitrary reasons publishers put there to take advantage of you. The publishers have released unfinished and improperly tested games long before pre-ordering became a thing: gaming history has good examples of this. Furthermore, it is a thing within other industries as well so I'm not so convinced by the notion that it's due to pre-ordering becoming a thing. Releasing unfinished and improperly tested products regardless of the industry is a bad thing but again, I don't see it as having come about or becoming more frequent due to pre-ordering. Would you say it's more frequent that they release buggy, unpolished games lately? |
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 4, 2016 12:43:40 GMT
I'm assuming it will be released on the same date for both PC, Xbox and Playstation since both Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age: Inquisition were. Agreed, that's the most likely case. Origin Access members ofc will be able to try the game out a few days earlier... ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Add the Mass Effect graphic novel coming out in March and we have it all wrapped up. No?
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 4, 2016 12:47:16 GMT
The publishers have released unfinished and improperly tested games long before pre-ordering became a thing: gaming history has good examples of this. Furthermore, it is a thing within other industries as well so I'm not so convinced by the notion that it's due to pre-ordering becoming a thing. Releasing unfinished and improperly tested products regardless of the industry is a bad thing but again, I don't see it as having come about or becoming more frequent due to pre-ordering. Would you say it's more frequent that they release buggy, unpolished games lately? There have been plenty of buggy, unpolished games released in recent years, and each time there has been an accompanying shitstorm. - Assassin's Creed Unity hurt that whole franchise
- Batman Arkham Knight was withdrawn on PC
- No Man's Sky, well, it wasn't just bugs was it?
I wouldn't hold pre-ordering wholly or even largely responsible, as there are other corporate pressures that contribute to buggy releases. It's undeniable that a good marketing campaign for a buggy game works, but the longer-term penalties of lost credibility and custom, can be significant too... |
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Post by shechinah on Oct 4, 2016 12:48:28 GMT
The publishers have released unfinished and improperly tested games long before pre-ordering became a thing: gaming history has good examples of this. Furthermore, it is a thing within other industries as well so I'm not so convinced by the notion that it's due to pre-ordering becoming a thing. Releasing unfinished and improperly tested products regardless of the industry is a bad thing but again, I don't see it as having come about or becoming more frequent due to pre-ordering. Would you say it's more frequent that they release buggy, unpolished games lately? Would you say that the video game industry has grown exponentially over the years thus resulting in a greater number of games? Would you say that there exists plenty of reasons that are more frequently the cause of buggy, unpolished games like, say, rushed development or Executive Meddling? |
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Post by shechinah on Oct 4, 2016 12:55:58 GMT
Would you say it's more frequent that they release buggy, unpolished games lately? I wouldn't hold pre-ordering wholly or even largely responsible, as there are other corporate pressures that contribute to buggy releases. It's undeniable that a good marketing campaign for a buggy game works, but the longer-term penalties of lost credibility and custom, can be significant too...Which is part of why I don't consider pre-ordering to lead or have led to the supposed consequences people claim: the strategy would result in far more losses than gains especially it would be brought up around every release that followed depending on how buggy and unpolished the game was. |
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 4, 2016 13:04:42 GMT
Agreed, that's the most likely case. Origin Access members ofc will be able to try the game out a few days earlier... ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Add the Mass Effect graphic novel coming out in March and we have it all wrapped up. No?
There is one other thing I wonder if they might surprise us with - a mini-game tie-in or two like we had with DAI. We had The Last Court and the Quest for the Red Lyrium Reapers so I'm hoping we'll see a little something during the leadup to MEA. Possibly even a mobile game as we have one for DA. |
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Post by shechinah on Oct 4, 2016 13:06:39 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Add the Mass Effect graphic novel coming out in March and we have it all wrapped up. No?
There is one other thing I wonder if they might surprise us with - a mini-game tie-in or two like we had with DAI. We had The Last Court and the Quest for the Red Lyrium Reapers so I'm hoping we'll see a little something during the leadup to MEA. Possibly even a mobile game as we have one for DA. I had browser trouble getting Red Lyrium Reapers to work but I did very much like T he Last Court. It was rather fun and interesting so I would be glad to a game like it for Mass Effect or even Dragon Age again. |
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 4, 2016 13:49:38 GMT
Question, i've never preordered a game before and i was wondering. If there's a collectors edition, do you have to preorder it from a specific place or does preordering it from any store get you the possible bonuses?
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Post by sl4ter on Oct 4, 2016 14:11:01 GMT
Question, i've never preordered a game before and i was wondering. If there's a collectors edition, do you have to preorder it from a specific place or does preordering it from any store get you the possible bonuses? As far as I know it doesn't matter where you preorder it. It was always the case for me, And I preorder a lot. |
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 4, 2016 14:28:30 GMT
Question, i've never preordered a game before and i was wondering. If there's a collectors edition, do you have to preorder it from a specific place or does preordering it from any store get you the possible bonuses? Question, i've never preordered a game before and i was wondering. If there's a collectors edition, do you have to preorder it from a specific place or does preordering it from any store get you the possible bonuses? As far as I know it doesn't matter where you preorder it. It was always the case for me, And I preorder a lot. Yeah, for getting the "core" SE/CE bonuses, it won't matter where you buy it from. That said, specific retailers can have their own "exclusive" pre-order bonuses and some will offer better prices. If you're going to pre-order, the big CEs (with statues, maps, etc.) are best to buy right away as they tend to sell out quick. But for the digital-only versions (Reg/SE) it's always best to wait until the game is almost released so you have the widest number of options. Some retailers won't show their exclusive versions until fairly close to release. And some might have price drops a week or two before... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 14:40:28 GMT
The publishers have released unfinished and improperly tested games long before pre-ordering became a thing: gaming history has good examples of this. Furthermore, it is a thing within other industries as well so I'm not so convinced by the notion that it's due to pre-ordering becoming a thing. Releasing unfinished and improperly tested products regardless of the industry is a bad thing but again, I don't see it as having come about or becoming more frequent due to pre-ordering. Would you say it's more frequent that they release buggy, unpolished games lately? I would say that the expansion in the number of different platforms that games are being targeted to release on simultaneously has contributed immensely to the increase in the numbers of bugs present in games. Like everything computer - things just keep getting bigger and more complex. On average there is much more in a game these days... and that just means that there's more that can go wrong with it. |
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Post by shechinah on Oct 4, 2016 15:31:50 GMT
Question, i've never preordered a game before and i was wondering. If there's a collectors edition, do you have to preorder it from a specific place or does preordering it from any store get you the possible bonuses? Collector's Editions tend to be avaliable from multiple shops: I usually get mine from Gamestop. The only exception was Watch Dogs 2 because it had more than one edition and the edition I interested in was only avaliable from Ubisoft's shop. Heh, I'm making it sound more complicated than it is. You can usually ask in a game store what editions they'll have avaliable after the editions have been revealed and announced. If there's none avaliable then you can always buy it online. Pre-order bonuses tend to be the same from what I know although there are sometimes bonuses are only avaliable from a certain store but again, you can usually see this. I imaging when the editions roll out, there will be a thread on these forums with the contents, bonuses and where they can be found. |
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Post by degs29 on Oct 4, 2016 16:34:51 GMT
Would you say it's more frequent that they release buggy, unpolished games lately? There have been plenty of buggy, unpolished games released in recent years, and each time there has been an accompanying shitstorm. - Assassin's Creed Unity hurt that whole franchise
- Batman Arkham Knight was withdrawn on PC
- No Man's Sky, well, it wasn't just bugs was it?
I wouldn't hold pre-ordering wholly or even largely responsible, as there are other corporate pressures that contribute to buggy releases. I certainly don't hold pre-ordering solely responsible, but I do believe it is a significant reason. The are, of course, other reasons. Games are more complex than they've ever been. The incessant need to satisfy the shareholders is greater than its ever been. And games take more manhours than ever to complete, thus leading to unrealistic deadlines. But I simply cannot exclude pre-order culture from that list of reasons. It encourages and allows bad behaviour. Some publishers are going to take advantage of that. When a good marketing campaign is more important than the quality of the game itself, there is a large emphasis on encouraging pre-ordering to capitalize on that fact. The more emphasis on pre-ordering, the more they'll cut from the game to hand out in chunks to differing demographics of gamers. When you can reap a large amount of your profits before even releasing the game, the desire to keep throwing full resources at that game to polish it starts to wane. Especially when you can use your customers as QA testers and patch the game later. Frankly, a good marketing campaign can overcome any previous game flaws. How much did Dragon Age 2's reputation (currently scoring 4.3 - 4.5 on metacritic) affect sales of Dragon Age: Inquisition? How much will the ending controversy in ME3 affect sales of Andromeda? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Dragon Age: Inquisition the most successful launch of all time for Bioware? Isn't it likely Andromeda will beat out its own predecessors? |
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