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Post by Cyberstrike on Oct 2, 2016 19:57:25 GMT
"Gaming culture" has not had a problem with misogyny. What planet have you been living on? Jenifer Helper Brianna Wu #Gamergate have proven that "gaming culture" and gamers have a huge problem with misogyny.
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Post by Kantr on Oct 2, 2016 20:09:02 GMT
"Gaming culture" has not had a problem with misogyny. What planet have you been living on? Jenifer Helper Brianna Wu #Gamergate have proven that "gaming culture" and gamers have a huge problem with misogyny. Indeed. On the outside they have communities that can attack them at the drop of a hat and on the inside have (usually) poor pay, crunch and the threat of layoffs at anytime.
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Oct 2, 2016 20:44:15 GMT
"Gaming culture" has not had a problem with misogyny. What planet have you been living on? Jenifer Helper Brianna Wu #Gamergate have proven that "gaming culture" and gamers have a huge problem with misogyny. Planet? more like Bizarro reality.
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Oct 2, 2016 20:45:41 GMT
What planet have you been living on? Jenifer Helper Brianna Wu #Gamergate have proven that "gaming culture" and gamers have a huge problem with misogyny. Indeed. On the outside they have communities that can attack them at the drop of a hat and on the inside have (usually) poor pay, crunch and the threat of layoffs at anytime. It's alot pressure from both fronts indeed.
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 20:48:13 GMT
I only agree about Jennifer Hepler...
But I'm not even sure it's a female thing. Bioware got crucified in general, and people got on her case in particular because of Anders. David Gaider didn't fare much better.
I'm annoyed by it, but not for any misogyny reasons. Just that it was the beginnings of severe criticism of Bioware, which eventually led to them second guessing themselves. And after ME3, just a big overhaul of the company in general. I like artists to be happier about their work, for better or worse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 20:54:01 GMT
"Gaming culture" has not had a problem with misogyny. What planet have you been living on? Jenifer Helper Brianna Wu #Gamergate have proven that "gaming culture" and gamers have a huge problem with misogyny.
Gamergate is disgusting... I remember reading something about that not too long ago and gah... I dont understand what can possess someone to say and do those things towards another person for no reason... there are worse things happening in the world for sure but this is still absolutely awful Hate always causes suffering, even if it isnt the suffering of the person doing the hating it will be the person on the receiving end of the hate... im a 100% believer in that
Part of me also wonders... is it really about gaming culture though??? While it affects gaming culture for sure and IS a big problem with it (not denying that whatsoever, its a gaming culture problem)... the root of the issue probably isnt in gaming culture but with the poor individuals who seek desperately to justify their own hate and will find any available target for that... there are lots of people like that in the world I guess... the people who use a particular cause as a way of trying to justify violence and hate... I think if it wasnt about gaming, it would be about something else. The same people saying and doing the same things but only in a different context. Bad people will always look for an excuse to do bad things
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 20:58:36 GMT
What planet have you been living on? Jenifer Helper Brianna Wu #Gamergate have proven that "gaming culture" and gamers have a huge problem with misogyny.
Gamergate is disgusting... I remember reading something about that not too long ago and gah... I dont understand what can possess someone to say and do those things towards another person for no reason... there are worse things happening in the world for sure but this is still absolutely awful Hate always causes suffering, even if it isnt the suffering of the person doing the hating it will be the person on the receiving end of the hate... im a 100% believer in that
I'm not denying the lame elements, but what are you referring to exactly? The basic event in gamergate had nothing to do with misogyny. A bunch of people got mad because they found out that Game Journalists were privately colluding in an email list, on how to snuff out a story about Zoe Quinn. It was really about airing out a lot suspicions people had all along... that there's no such thing as "game journalism". It later got exploited by both sides in the misogynist/feminist circles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 21:06:03 GMT
Ehh GGs not that bad. They spend most of their time sitting around doing nothing.
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 21:12:10 GMT
... I like artists to be happier about their work, for better or worse. It's a nice sentiment, but there is a price for mixing politics into video games. Fair enough, but I don't even see anything overtly political about DA2 that warranted the outrage. I mean, there were political elements in the story, with the elves and the Qunari, but that was still in a literary context. The stuff that people got offended by in a real political sense was the "player sexual" characters.. but to me, it just seemed like a lazy game mechanic. Not something to get worked up over. But that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 21:13:26 GMT
Looks like a totally unbiased and factual website
Gamergate is disgusting... I remember reading something about that not too long ago and gah... I dont understand what can possess someone to say and do those things towards another person for no reason... there are worse things happening in the world for sure but this is still absolutely awful Hate always causes suffering, even if it isnt the suffering of the person doing the hating it will be the person on the receiving end of the hate... im a 100% believer in that
I'm not denying the lame elements, but what are you referring to exactly? The basic event in gamergate had nothing to do with misogyny. A bunch of people got mad because they found out that Game Journalists were privately colluding in an email list, on how to snuff out a story about Zoe Quinn. It was really about airing out a lot suspicions people had all along... that there's no such thing as "game journalism". It later got exploited by both sides in the misogynist/feminist circles.
What am I referring to in what part???
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 21:19:10 GMT
Looks like a totally unbiased and factual website
I'm not denying the lame elements, but what are you referring to exactly? The basic event in gamergate had nothing to do with misogyny. A bunch of people got mad because they found out that Game Journalists were privately colluding in an email list, on how to snuff out a story about Zoe Quinn. It was really about airing out a lot suspicions people had all along... that there's no such thing as "game journalism". It later got exploited by both sides in the misogynist/feminist circles.
What am I referring to in what part???
You said it was disgusting, but it was mostly about games journalism at first. Imagine if all the news outlets did that for other stories. Like everything we're told is being programmed and agreed upon beforehand by a secret group. lol. I'm sure it actually does happen sometimes, but this is not what people expect from the press. But the story was about Zoe Quinn and this amplified all the misogynistic vs feminist stuff. The real issue got drowned out eventually.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 2, 2016 21:20:41 GMT
Ehh GGs not that bad. They spend most of their time sitting around doing nothing. Plus it led me to my all time favorite Youtuber. Rageaholic, never would have heard of that fellow if not for Gamergate and given how he has superb tastes in metal(for an american anyway), that would have been a shame indeed. o.o Besides I like someone such as myself who blends using advanced vernacular in conjunction with swearing like a sailor.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 2, 2016 21:28:43 GMT
Plus it led me to my all time favorite Youtuber. Rageaholic, never would have heard of that fellow if not for Gamergate and given how he has superb tastes in metal(for an american anyway), that would have been a shame indeed. o.o Besides I like someone such as myself who blends using advanced vernacular in conjunction with swearing like a sailor. Sounds like an interesting guy. Here is one of his Gamergate/Gaming Industry videos. Check it out for yourself
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 21:43:54 GMT
Looks like a totally unbiased and factual website
What am I referring to in what part???
You said it was disgusting, but it was mostly about games journalism at first. Imagine if all the news outlets did that for other stories. Like everything we're told is being programmed and agreed upon beforehand by a secret group. lol. I'm sure it actually does happen sometimes, but this is not what people expect from the press. But the story was about Zoe Quinn and this amplified all the misogynistic vs feminist stuff. The real issue got drowned out eventually.
Erm in a case like this id personally argue that the result is more important than the original event
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 21:46:15 GMT
You said it was disgusting, but it was mostly about games journalism at first. Imagine if all the news outlets did that for other stories. Like everything we're told is being programmed and agreed upon beforehand by a secret group. lol. I'm sure it actually does happen sometimes, but this is not what people expect from the press. But the story was about Zoe Quinn and this amplified all the misogynistic vs feminist stuff. The real issue got drowned out eventually.
Erm in a case like this id personally argue that the result is more important than the original event
Fair enough. I personally don't care about games journalism myself... it's kind of a joke to begin with. So not much loss to me.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 2, 2016 21:51:00 GMT
Erm in a case like this id personally argue that the result is more important than the original event
Fair enough. I personally don't care about games journalism myself... it's kind of a joke to begin with. So not much loss to me.
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Post by mousestalker on Oct 2, 2016 21:51:26 GMT
I have it on good authority the quality of coffee available in house at most game deveopers has improved markedly over the past two years. So to answer the original question: Yes.
Also, a larger variety of teas is available.
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Post by straykat on Oct 2, 2016 21:52:46 GMT
I personally don't care about games journalism myself... it's kind of a joke to begin with.Which is a shame. True. I wish it lived up to journalistic standards, but I'm not expecting it. It's kind of the case it seems with any news about consumer reporting. They seem to be advertising outlets half of the time.
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Oct 2, 2016 22:13:43 GMT
This thread should be kept on-topic as per the original and not strayed along off-topic subjects about media and conspiracy theories.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Oct 2, 2016 22:18:22 GMT
I have it on good authority the quality of coffee available in house at most game deveopers has improved markedly over the past two years. So to answer the original question: Yes. Also, a larger variety of teas is available. A testament to a higher quality of living if there ever was one.
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Post by Kantr on Oct 2, 2016 22:18:48 GMT
Can we not talk about Gamergate. Despite what they think there's a lot of quality Journalism in games. Like the series of Articles by Kotaku UK on Star Citizen. The Story behind the troubled development of Destiny. Etc...
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Oct 2, 2016 22:20:32 GMT
Can we not talk about Gamergate. Despite what they think there's a lot of quality Journalism in games. Like the series of Articles by Kotaku UK on Star Citizen. The Story behind the troubled development of Destiny. Etc... Thank you.
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Post by mousestalker on Oct 2, 2016 22:25:19 GMT
Darth: Every coin has two sides to it, deal with it.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 2, 2016 23:15:41 GMT
This thread should be kept on-topic as per the original and not strayed along off-topic subjects about media and conspiracy theories. Pfft. Conspiracy lends credence to the notion there isn't evidence to support the matter. Which in GG's case is about as true as the assertion that Nixon wasn't bugging the Democratic Convention.
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Post by straykat on Oct 3, 2016 7:13:47 GMT
Well, I'll just say I miss Jen Hepler.
But I'm no fan of Patrick Weekes.. so I'm biased. Gaider intended her to be the lead after him, until she left.
Ironically, this has made me treat them worse.
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I also liked ME3.. but this need for them to milk the franchise has turned me sour as well.
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I'm like a late bloomer to the "hate developers" game. Hating them for secondary things...
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