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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Oct 3, 2016 8:39:03 GMT
I have it on good authority the quality of coffee available in house at most game deveopers has improved markedly over the past two years. So to answer the original question: Yes. Also, a larger variety of teas is available. Do they have Pepsi products?
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Post by straykat on Oct 3, 2016 9:04:11 GMT
I was under the impression that devs had in-house espresso machines. At least I've seen that in a couple of vids. Not sure about Bioware.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 3, 2016 9:06:37 GMT
Well, I'll just say I miss Jen Hepler. But I'm no fan of Patrick Weekes.. so I'm biased. Gaider intended her to be the lead after him, until she left. Ironically, this has made me treat them worse. --- I also liked ME3.. but this need for them to milk the franchise has turned me sour as well. --- I'm like a late bloomer to the "hate developers" game. Hating them for secondary things... I consider my talentless, tasteless ass a better writer then Weekes...who can dream up more coherent characters and narratives. Specifically just to name a major failing of the author. ._. Course I write for myself, not for production, little lone mainstream production however kowtowing to horseshit does not magically give material a out for being as faulty as a desk chair from IKEA.
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Post by Kantr on Oct 3, 2016 9:06:45 GMT
I was under the impression that devs had in-house espresso machines. At least I've seen that in a couple of vids. Not sure about Bioware. They have them in their fancy eating area.
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Post by o Ventus on Oct 3, 2016 13:40:13 GMT
"Gaming culture" has not had a problem with misogyny. What planet have you been living on? Jenifer Helper Brianna Wu #Gamergate have proven that "gaming culture" and gamers have a huge problem with misogyny. Giving shit to a single woman (Jennifer Hepler) is not indicative of misogyny. Do you know what misogyny entails? Nobody even knew who Brianna Wu even WAS until she started to play the victim on Twitter. What the hell does GamerGate have to do with misogyny?
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Post by kizanare on Oct 3, 2016 13:42:44 GMT
What planet have you been living on? Jenifer Helper Brianna Wu #Gamergate have proven that "gaming culture" and gamers have a huge problem with misogyny. Giving shit to a single woman (Jennifer Hepler) is not indicative of misogyny. Do you know what misogyny entails? Nobody even knew who Brianna Wu even WAS until she started to play the victim on Twitter. What the hell does GamerGate have to do with misogyny? Wow really crazy day... agree with both Ventus and Hawkeye.
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Post by Gaston on Oct 4, 2016 7:49:40 GMT
A woman like Jen Helper gets harassed and shit on by gamers because they disliked her stuff.
The consensus: "Omg this is proof misogyny still exists! Those dirty harassers are all misogynistic trolls!"
A man like Joss Whedon gets harassed and shit on by feminists because they disliked his stuff.
The consensus: "He is a misogynistic male, his writing was sexist and disgusting! He totally deserved what he got!"
^ Does nobody see what is happening here? The gaming industry does not have a misogyny problem, it has a feminist problem. Feminists who use claims of "misogyny" as a way to seize power and control over every industry and subculture we know and love to shit all over it.
We in the west care about women, we care A LOT about women, we care so much that we allow a bunch of shreiking harpies who claim to be fighting for "equality" dictate to us how we should live our lives because not doing so gets us branded as misogynists and misogynists get castigated by mainstream society.
If you think men hold the all the power in western society you need to think twice. To find out who really holds power over you, you simply have to look at who you are not allowed to critize. I can think of a few examples of groups we cannot critize in the west without suffering negative consequences, but men are not among them.
To end this rant and get back on topic:
No, there is no misogyny in the videogame industry.
As for the treatment of developers:
They get treated like shit, but ranty nerds on the internet are among the least of their worries. It's the publishers and higher-ups that really treat the average game developer like absolute shit. Even the high and mighty CD Projekt RED is guilty of this. After The Witcher 3 was completed a lot of horror stories from ex developers emerged on what an absolute hellhole CD Projekt RED was during development of The Witcher 3. It's really sad to be honest and it's in my opinion a problem that needs to be adressed, but nobody gives a shit apperantly. People are too busy worrying about Princess Peach's skirt being too short or Shepard not having enough gay men in his harem or whatever. Pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 8:09:51 GMT
A woman like Jen Helper gets harassed and shit on by gamers because they disliked her stuff. The consensus: "Omg this is prove misogyny still exists! Those dirty harassers are all misogynistic trolls!"A man like Joss Whedon gets harassed and shit on by feminists because they disliked his stuff. The consensus: "He is a misogynistic male, his writing was sexist and disgusting! He totally deserved what he got!"^ Does nobody see what is happening here? The gaming industry does not have a misogyny problem, it has a feminist problem. Feminists who use claims of "misogyny" as a way to seize power and control over every industry and subculture we know and love to shit all over it. We in the west care about women, we care A LOT about women, we care so much that we allow a bunch of shreiking harpies who claim to be fighting for "equality" dictate to us how we should live our lives because not doing so gets us branded as misogynists and misogynists get castigated by mainstream society. If you think men hold the all the power in western society you need to think twice. To find out who really holds power over you, you simply have to look at who you are not allowed to critize. I can think of a few examples of groups we cannot critize in the west without suffering negative consequences, but men are not among them. To end this rant and get back on topic: No, there is no misogyny in the videogame industry. As for the treatment of developers: They get treated like shit, but ranty nerds on the internet are among the least of their worries. It's the publishers and higher-ups that really treat the average game developer like absolute shit. Even the high and mighty CD Projekt RED is guilty of this. After The Witcher 3 was completed a lot of horror stories from ex developers emerged on what an absolute hellhole CD Projekt RED was during development of The Witcher 3. It's really sad to be honest and it's in my opinion a problem that needs to be adressed, but nobody gives a shit apperantly. People are too busy worrying about Princess Peach's skirt being too short or Shepard not having enough gay men in his harem or whatever. Pathetic. Dude it doesnt take a feminist to point out that something is misogynistic. But you know a generally predictable argument there doesnt take much to figure out what you guys will say when it comes to feminism but I guess the people who focus on the extremists and judge every feminist by that will often come up short when it comes to the truth about said group *shrugs* (not a feminist just saying but thats more of a technicality than not agreeing with their cause which fyi is equal rights/fair treatment for women and not female superiority but eh thats basically down to me having parameters about whether or not ill support a particular person or group) Whether hate speech towards one woman can classify as misogyny is... probably up for discussion I guess but either way quite clearly video game culture does have an issue with the treatment of female video game developers and the treatment of video game developers also... death threats, rape threats... those are pretty big problems that happen not only with video game developers but celebrities and politicians far too much on social media
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 4, 2016 9:39:09 GMT
*.* The true nature of the gaming industry and its associated media is that in the modern era it is dictated to via the politically correct, the SJWs, the Feminists, and the corrupt and evil interests that support them. In the name of censorship, whitewashing and restrictions on world view.
Power has been given to these parasites who if you take that nutjob Sarkeesianar at her word doesn't even support the industry.
Whining self important toadstools, often Canadian who scream out at imagined slights,and utterly debase themselves in senseless drama and theatre for the sake of selling their narrative.
._. The truth of the industry is simple. Until it removes its external problems it will never be rid of the real internal issues that afflict it. Issues that persist in large part due these people to begin with given they detract from the legitimacy of said grievances. Who cares about how horribly EA treats people! Lora Croft has bubble butt!
Who cares all the bullshit internal scandals Ubisoft goes through! Women are objectified in Mario!
It's a cancer in the industry, just like anywhere else. And it will not stop until it is stopped. I'm in support of a movement in efforts to stop gaming companies from killing online exclusive games, this is a far pressing issue then female Shepard's armor having breasts.
Yet good luck hearing a word about it via any mainstream channels.
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Post by kizanare on Oct 4, 2016 13:24:58 GMT
The only way I will say the treatment of developers has gotten better is when the treatment of regular garden variety shitheads everywhere in society and across the internet, etc, gets worse. The "two wrongs make a right" approach to decency. If you want to make things better, set the worst example possible. There's no way to equivocate the mass of harms done by certain people, certain kinds of people, unless they suffer on some level, not advocating anything illegal, but otherwise the balance of good and evil will always remain skewered towards evil. Otherwise our global human society will remain perpetually unbalanced in favor of evil. As it is, new generations simply find ways of avoiding responsibility for predecessor sins, and never properly atoning. That extreme plea for "forgiveness" is precisely the reason humanity has not been able to make substantial progress for at least 20000 years. That doesn't even mean perpetual conflict or the like, but like the executives, like I don't know, some board member on EA, needs to go to prison for a while like soon for negligently overseeing all the chaos and destruction of culture and people in the past of few years. Otherwise, the world will never right itself. It might just be one person, but once the "untouchables" are touched, then it will perhaps set an example for others, and that's all you need to do.
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Post by kizanare on Oct 4, 2016 13:32:55 GMT
People try and find natural ways of avoiding punishment, ah well, I made the money I needed anyway, I got what I wanted, so when it's taken away it was "all according to plan." Those plans have to be disrupted, again, nothing illegal, but until the Sperg literally has something in the deepest recesses of their brain they wanted/needed to have happen not happen and suffer acutely, nothing will be achieved.
Meanwhile, extra kindness must be shown to the people who have been victimized over the same period of time.
And like it or not, at a certain point, these processes will practically be voluntary by all parties, at a certain point, already has, to a degree. In fact, you could argue this process is essentially completed, it just has no official status.
Plenty of high level corporate people pay a large amount of money to have the **** beat out of them, for example, because govt is unwilling (or perhaps unable) to punish them.
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Post by kizanare on Oct 4, 2016 13:38:08 GMT
So the "worst example possible" would be having someone do something absolutely atrocious with no repercussions whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 13:38:31 GMT
*.* The true nature of the gaming industry and its associated media is that in the modern era it is dictated to via the politically correct, the SJWs, the Feminists, and the corrupt and evil interests that support them. In the name of censorship, whitewashing and restrictions on world view. Power has been given to these parasites who if you take that nutjob Sarkeesianar at her word doesn't even support the industry. Whining self important toadstools, often Canadian who scream out at imagined slights,and utterly debase themselves in senseless drama and theatre for the sake of selling their narrative. ._. The truth of the industry is simple. Until it removes its external problems it will never be rid of the real internal issues that afflict it. Issues that persist in large part due these people to begin with given they detract from the legitimacy of said grievances. Who cares about how horribly EA treats people! Lora Croft has bubble butt! Who cares all the bullshit internal scandals Ubisoft goes through! Women are objectified in Mario! It's a cancer in the industry, just like anywhere else. And it will not stop until it is stopped. I'm in support of a movement in efforts to stop gaming companies from killing online exclusive games, this is a far pressing issue then female Shepard's armor having breasts. Yet good luck hearing a word about it via any mainstream channels. Having non politically correct video games would do more harm than good when it comes to the treatment of developers for various reasons. There would be a LOT of backlash when it would come to players and more social media issues and harassment of developers which would make the whole problem worse. The game would also be labelled as er sexist/racist etc in the media which would cause profit losses which would lead to problems inside the company. The entire point of political correctness when it comes to media is to widen target audiences and to make sure you dont offend (in this case) players. It would make the treatment of developers a whole lot worse than it already is. Not saying its a good thing that it would happen but it would still happen *shrugs* so its advantageous for the developers to apply some level of political correctness to their video games for a whole bunch of reasons Also if you have something to share other than your hate for political/social groups which you talk about far too much already (over and over and over and over and over and over again), that would be kinda helpful
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Post by o Ventus on Oct 4, 2016 13:43:42 GMT
A woman like Jen Helper gets harassed and shit on by gamers because they disliked her stuff. The consensus: "Omg this is proof misogyny still exists! Those dirty harassers are all misogynistic trolls!"A man like Joss Whedon gets harassed and shit on by feminists because they disliked his stuff. The consensus: "He is a misogynistic male, his writing was sexist and disgusting! He totally deserved what he got!"^ Does nobody see what is happening here? The gaming industry does not have a misogyny problem, it has a feminist problem. Feminists who use claims of "misogyny" as a way to seize power and control over every industry and subculture we know and love to shit all over it. We in the west care about women, we care A LOT about women, we care so much that we allow a bunch of shreiking harpies who claim to be fighting for "equality" dictate to us how we should live our lives because not doing so gets us branded as misogynists and misogynists get castigated by mainstream society. If you think men hold the all the power in western society you need to think twice. To find out who really holds power over you, you simply have to look at who you are not allowed to critize. I can think of a few examples of groups we cannot critize in the west without suffering negative consequences, but men are not among them. To end this rant and get back on topic: No, there is no misogyny in the videogame industry. As for the treatment of developers: They get treated like shit, but ranty nerds on the internet are among the least of their worries. It's the publishers and higher-ups that really treat the average game developer like absolute shit. Even the high and mighty CD Projekt RED is guilty of this. After The Witcher 3 was completed a lot of horror stories from ex developers emerged on what an absolute hellhole CD Projekt RED was during development of The Witcher 3. It's really sad to be honest and it's in my opinion a problem that needs to be adressed, but nobody gives a shit apperantly. People are too busy worrying about Princess Peach's skirt being too short or Shepard not having enough gay men in his harem or whatever. Pathetic. I wouldn't be so bold as to say that there's *no* problem at all. I'm sure that in an industry that encapsulates millions and millions of different individuals, some of them may be misogynists. This does not mean, however, that the industry itself has a problem. If it is there, it's incredibly rare. It's funny you mention CDPR and The Witcher as well, since CDPR got into some deep shit with SocJus retards over there not being any black people in TW3 (but not TW2 or the original, those are okay, I guess). Because a game made by a Polish company, set in an alt-fantasy version of medieval Poland that takes heavy historical cues from that medieval era of Poland, will have quite a lot of black people. If there's 1 thing Poland is known for, it's its unusually high black population, right? Especially back during the dark ages.
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Post by Gaston on Oct 4, 2016 18:53:29 GMT
death threats, rape threats... those are pretty big problems that happen not only with video game developers but celebrities and politicians far too much on social media lol no that's not a pretty big problem, that's a incredibly small problem, a ridiculously small problem blown way out of proportion, while the real problems like the poor working conditions for game developers are almost completely overlooked, which was exactly the point of my post, the point you somehow seemed to have missed.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 4, 2016 19:00:42 GMT
Darth: Every coin has two sides to it, deal with it. Never thought a nice person like mousestalker would stoop so low! As a Canadian, being notoriously over polite I would like to apologize for Nickelback.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 19:35:25 GMT
"Gaming culture" has not had a problem with misogyny. What planet have you been living on? Jenifer Helper Brianna Wu #Gamergate have proven that "gaming culture" and gamers have a huge problem with misogyny. Earth, in the twilight zone these people a legitimate problem. In reality it runs along the lines of this.
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Post by o Ventus on Oct 4, 2016 19:40:32 GMT
Whether hate speech towards one woman can classify as misogyny is... probably up for discussion I guess but either way quite clearly video game culture does have an issue with the treatment of female video game developers and the treatment of video game developers also... death threats, rape threats... those are pretty big problems that happen not only with video game developers but celebrities and politicians far too much on social media [Redacted] Creme de la kek. Seriously, if someone is calling you a or whatever online, just shut the screen and do something else for 5 minutes until you forget about it. And I guarantee that you'll forget about it after 5 minutes, just like the "harasser" will too. I've been on both sides of this coin before, I know how the process goes. Calling it hate speech is pathetic and fucking cowardly, and if you do it then you completely deserve the "hate speech" spoken to you for being a bitch about it. At least people haven't resorted to calling it "violent speech" yet, that's a relief if nothing else.
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Post by o Ventus on Oct 4, 2016 19:43:12 GMT
death threats, rape threats... those are pretty big problems that happen not only with video game developers but celebrities and politicians far too much on social media lol no that's not a pretty big problem, that's a incredibly small problem, a ridiculously small problem blown way out of proportion, while the real problems like the poor working conditions for game developers are almost completely overlooked, which was exactly the point of my post, the point you somehow seemed to have missed. Like how Team Bondi will work slave hours in a sweatshop to make L.A. Noire and nobody gave a shit, but Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu, or whoever else can invent harassment and people talk about it 2 whole fucking years down the road.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 4, 2016 20:08:10 GMT
*.* The true nature of the gaming industry and its associated media is that in the modern era it is dictated to via the politically correct, the SJWs, the Feminists, and the corrupt and evil interests that support them. In the name of censorship, whitewashing and restrictions on world view. Power has been given to these parasites who if you take that nutjob Sarkeesianar at her word doesn't even support the industry. Whining self important toadstools, often Canadian who scream out at imagined slights,and utterly debase themselves in senseless drama and theatre for the sake of selling their narrative. ._. The truth of the industry is simple. Until it removes its external problems it will never be rid of the real internal issues that afflict it. Issues that persist in large part due these people to begin with given they detract from the legitimacy of said grievances. Who cares about how horribly EA treats people! Lora Croft has bubble butt! Who cares all the bullshit internal scandals Ubisoft goes through! Women are objectified in Mario! It's a cancer in the industry, just like anywhere else. And it will not stop until it is stopped. I'm in support of a movement in efforts to stop gaming companies from killing online exclusive games, this is a far pressing issue then female Shepard's armor having breasts. Yet good luck hearing a word about it via any mainstream channels. Having non politically correct video games would do more harm than good when it comes to the treatment of developers for various reasons. There would be a LOT of backlash when it would come to players and more social media issues and harassment of developers which would make the whole problem worse. The game would also be labelled as er sexist/racist etc in the media which would cause profit losses which would lead to problems inside the company. The entire point of political correctness when it comes to media is to widen target audiences and to make sure you dont offend (in this case) players. It would make the treatment of developers a whole lot worse than it already is. Not saying its a good thing that it would happen but it would still happen *shrugs* so its advantageous for the developers to apply some level of political correctness to their video games for a whole bunch of reasons Also if you have something to share other than your hate for political/social groups which you talk about far too much already (over and over and over and over and over and over again), that would be kinda helpful Those unpeople are not an audience though. They admit it. Your point is debunked.
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Oct 7, 2016 0:25:46 GMT
I guess I missed all that. I've been busy having a blast playing games. Not to make light of death threats which is not right. But I haven't seen any misogyny in the games I play or in the gaming culture (whatever that is). I don't know, I think devs should make the games they want to and not worry about checking off a list of items. It is a business but they are artists first and I'd like to see what they create instead of catering to people looking for sexism or looking to be offended by the slightest thing and whatnot in entertainment games. Don't think I'm the only girl out there who plays Witcher 1 and likes the cards, Geralt is a bit of rake so the cards fit with the story. I think when someone is invested in a book, game, etc. and there is an outlet to talk about it, criticism is going to happen. Sometimes it is strong, sometimes misinterpreted. How the Companies deal with that can help to make the situation worse or better. But like any business, gaming companies sometimes have to cave to loud and relentless voices however big or small - it happens in all business. Shame that is but.. Overwatch? I think that was the name, handled the silly sexist backlash well by using a pinup girl from the forties. CDPR handled the KBM problem well by fixing it within 5 days of release. Made a lot of people happy. Well, if you've missed all that, it's never to late to educate your self on any issue I guess. Find several reputable sources with an actual Publisher. Practice Source Criticism and learn. Like everything else. Like I've said many times in this thread. I've made it clear that I'm talking about abuse and threats against developers and their personhood, and not criticism against certain game content or writing. But alot of people also seem to think to that telling another human being about raping and killing them and their children is an acceptable expression of criticism of a product from a creator. I don't think developers should be afraid of creating anything, and off course it's okay to critically examine a piece of art. It's often the method of critique and sofistication that becomes a problem. In many cases around the internet, the people espousing the virtue of the free artist are the same people wanting the artist to practice self-censorship in one way or another. In Biowares' case wanting Bioware to remove or sideline gay characters, or characters that are not white, because otherwise it would be "pandering". Not thinking that those things are Bioware using their freedom as artists to create, and not actually "catering to people looking for sexism or looking to be offended" as you say. Regarding the Overwatch sexism thing. That was a scenario wholly manufactured by Blizzard themselves to generate headlines and ire on the internet in favour of their game. It's a common tactic by marketing teams. I learned that in first year business school.
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Post by mrsanomaly on Oct 7, 2016 0:50:55 GMT
Uh I think threats to developers are worse circa 2016 then perhaps..1985. Yep. I have been gaming my entire life and perhaps I was too little to know but I don't recall ever reading of death threats at someone who created a game until around the last ten years.
Death threats are just wrong 99% of the time and nothing justifies them.
Is it that hard?
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Post by Natashina on Oct 7, 2016 11:44:51 GMT
I do think that overall the treatment of devs, regardless of gender, is getting better. Things like threats of violence or death are generally not accepted within the gaming community. It doesn't seem to matter much what political/social stance you take. Some things don't fly very well anymore. There's being a critic over a piece of media, then there is being a psycho. It obviously still needs work for everyone and not just one gender over the other. You get your screaming extremists that do things like that to get attention. The net is what it is. I would argue that has improved quite a bit, in a couple of ways.
Back in 2005, I started playing WoW. Back in those days, my folks and my now-husband were experienced MMO players. I got told by all of them to hide my gender while I was playing due to harassment. My own folks were old-school EverQuest veterans, and my husband played Dark Ages of Camelot. They also were all raiders. It could get bad at times. My husband and I witnessed a guildmate getting e-stalked due to her gender. I'm not making this up.
However, flashforward to 2013, right before I quit playing. I'd say the overwhelming majority of players didn't give a crap what gender I was. They only cared about me being good at my job and being supportive to other players.
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