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Post by midnight tea on Sept 26, 2017 17:39:39 GMT
Except if Mythal's appointment that she referred to in DA2 was with Solas why didn't she make contact before he gave away his orb? Unless of course that was all part of her plan.
I used to have this theory that she helped Hawke because she knew their blood was necessary to free Corypheus and that was part of her plan too. For all I know, may be it was. Now there's an interesting thought. If Mythal helped Hawke because she wanted Corypheus awakened, did she then figure Solas would be involved later? Did she nudge it that way too, to have the whole mess with the orb? Seems a bit of a chaotic outcome for her to have had a hand in, but just starting with the idea that Mythal needed or wanted Corypheus awake for some reason is a lot to ponder over. There is a moment between Morrigan and Inky when both of them speculate between one another that they went to Temple Of Mythal and absorbed the Well, because Flemythal orchestrated it all. Granted, we (or they) didn't yet know about orb belonging to Solas, but that still doesn't change the fact that we ended up in ToM, because Corypheus was convinced - by the orb, apparently - that it's the last place where he can find something to aid him in his quest for godhood. Now, Cory seems one of those people who, probably under influence of the Blight, who seemed so convinced of his power and mastery of it that he seemed to ignore a terrible lot about the risk of playing with unknown powers. So it's possible that he couldn't have known whether the information he accessed through whatever means was available to him came from someone who wanted to nudge him in one direction or another (personally I believe it wasn't just Mythal who potentially whispered to his ear...) It still seems quite a bit convoluted, given all the cosmic coincidences that happened along the way that had unraveled a lot of Solas's plans, for example, but we don't yet know what powers Mythal had access to - and it's not impossible that she has access to powers that has power to predict events in some way OR steer fate, in more or less literal sense (if Fade is domain of the will, then self-fulfilling prophecies could be even easier to make happen). We do know that there are characters in DA who can prophesize things - Sandal seemingly being one of them. And he was complaining that he is visited in his dreams by a 'scary lady'... it's probably not that hard to guess who that could be. What's more, OGB Kieran also mentions something that may happen in the future (Morrigan being inheritor awaiting new age) and he also mentions dreams in conversation with Flemythal.
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Post by phoray on Sept 28, 2017 14:42:05 GMT
WE're getting off topic in the Twitter thread because of this picture Nipuni @nipunidraws 😚 #dragonageinquisition #solavellan #solas #bioware pbs.twimg.com/media/DKyG7Y2WsAELWGh.jpg
Sometimes I think I could be a Solasmancer if I completely head cannoned an aggressive sexual appetite... But alas. Then I'm just in imagination land rather than actually liking the him presented in game. Not necessarily. He did admit to being young, headstrong and cocky back in the day. And considering his position among the 'gods', it is safe to assume he had the noble ladies of the time throwing themselves at him on a fairly regular basis. I don't think it's unreasonable to say he took advantage of that, once or twice. Yes, it is head cannon, but a rather believable one, I think. Edit to add: also, have you seen his fade kiss? Pretty aggressive, in my opinion. I did his romance my 2nd PT but my Dalish was too confused about who she was to be enjoyable-- just did everythign Solas liked because she liked Solas and it made me hate her, only Inquistor I've disliked. I've since then come up with an elaborate back story for a 50 year old widow of two grown kids who still had a semi active sex life to pair up with him. The fact that she's just as set in her ways, her secrets, and has the wisdom of mortal years, pairs up faaaar better than the little school girl I'd tried previously. I have yet to actually play her (took me about a year to think about what was needed in her character to make the solasmance interesting to me). I hung out in this thread during that time trying to steep in Dalish loving Solas loving thoughts until I got her right. so, uh yeah... short of it, I have seen his Fade Kiss. And his balcony kiss. and his waterfall kiss. I've youtubed his Trespasser kiss. I have a dwarf coming up that he'll hate, and I think all his yelling at me will let me see a side of him I haven't as a friend and one time lover. May give more fuel to that fire he keeps hiding under his hobo clothes.
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Post by phoray on Sept 28, 2017 14:46:27 GMT
I think there had to be a specific reason why he woke when he did rather than recover his full strength. I wonder if the reason he woke early was the discovery of red lyrium or more specifically when Bianca revealed its location to Corypheus so he brought far more of the substance to the surface and so it started to become more wide spread. This is only based off the fact that something in the past was sealed away in the depths of the earth by his followers before he went on and imprisoned the Evanuris. Of course the Blight was originally released much earlier but I suppose he was unable to wake then because he was not yet enough recovered to do so. Couldn't it have been the creation of the Breach itself? Time is not referenced heavily in this game. If he was uthenara-ing in Solas, Thedas and had, perhaps, the use of some Eluvians, he could have arrived near immediately to investigate the Breach and find the Inquisitor laying there near death.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 15:20:37 GMT
WE're getting off topic in the Twitter thread because of this picture Nipuni @nipunidraws 😚 #dragonageinquisition #solavellan #solas #bioware pbs.twimg.com/media/DKyG7Y2WsAELWGh.jpg
Not necessarily. He did admit to being young, headstrong and cocky back in the day. And considering his position among the 'gods', it is safe to assume he had the noble ladies of the time throwing themselves at him on a fairly regular basis. I don't think it's unreasonable to say he took advantage of that, once or twice. Yes, it is head cannon, but a rather believable one, I think. Edit to add: also, have you seen his fade kiss? Pretty aggressive, in my opinion. I did his romance my 2nd PT but my Dalish was too confused about who she was to be enjoyable-- just did everythign Solas liked because she liked Solas and it made me hate her, only Inquistor I've disliked. I've since then come up with an elaborate back story for a 50 year old widow of two grown kids who still had a semi active sex life to pair up with him. The fact that she's just as set in her ways, her secrets, and has the wisdom of mortal years, pairs up faaaar better than the little school girl I'd tried previously. I have yet to actually play her (took me about a year to think about what was needed in her character to make the solasmance interesting to me). I hung out in this thread during that time trying to steep in Dalish loving Solas loving thoughts until I got her right. so, uh yeah... short of it, I have seen his Fade Kiss. And his balcony kiss. and his waterfall kiss. I've youtubed his Trespasser kiss. I have a dwarf coming up that he'll hate, and I think all his yelling at me will let me see a side of him I haven't as a friend and one time lover. May give more fuel to that fire he keeps hiding under his hobo clothes. That pic worth talking about. Holy hell that's hot as habeneros. I've always been of the opinion Solas is extremely passionate as a partner, once he lets his guard down. The trouble is getting him to do just that. Also, take into account that not only is he really freaking old, but romances in Elvhenan might have taken years to progress beyond handholding and sappy poetry. Solas' behavior in comparison, with the Inquisitor, might have seemed rash and rushed by Ancient Elvhen standards. This other recent illustration by Nipuni is pretty nice, too: The thirst is real.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 28, 2017 15:21:25 GMT
Oh, there it went. I was really confused when your post vanished from the twitter thread. Good call on the move.
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Post by phoray on Sept 28, 2017 15:31:54 GMT
WE're getting off topic in the Twitter thread because of this picture Nipuni @nipunidraws 😚 #dragonageinquisition #solavellan #solas #bioware snip
May give more fuel to that fire he keeps hiding under his hobo clothes. That pic worth talking about. Holy hell that's hot as habeneros. I've always been of the opinion Solas is extremely passionate as a partner, once he lets his guard down. The trouble is getting him to do just that. Also, take into account that not only is he really freaking old, but romances in Elvhenan might have taken years to progress beyond handholding and sappy poetry. Solas' behavior in comparison, with the Inquisitor, might have seemed rash and rushed by Ancient Elvhen standards. This other recent illustration by Nipuni is pretty nice, too: snip The thirst is real. I just find it dissonant that it's artwork about Solas rather than in game Solas that stirs my blood. Do I really like Solas? Or do I just like what and who I think he is? Possibly why I couldn't get behind his romance entirely. I'm not certain we know him at all until Trespasser.
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Post by phoray on Sept 28, 2017 15:33:33 GMT
Also, I really don't think they had slow Amish relationships in Elvehnan I find it probably likely to be the opposite. Perhaps like the Asari, there was just an few centuries you expected the young'uns to run rampant until they settled down later.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 16:22:26 GMT
That pic worth talking about. Holy hell that's hot as habeneros. I've always been of the opinion Solas is extremely passionate as a partner, once he lets his guard down. The trouble is getting him to do just that. Also, take into account that not only is he really freaking old, but romances in Elvhenan might have taken years to progress beyond handholding and sappy poetry. Solas' behavior in comparison, with the Inquisitor, might have seemed rash and rushed by Ancient Elvhen standards. This other recent illustration by Nipuni is pretty nice, too: The thirst is real. I just find it dissonant that it's artwork about Solas rather than in game Solas that stirs my blood. Do I really like Solas? Or do I just like what and who I think he is? Possibly why I couldn't get behind his romance entirely. I'm not certain we know him at all until Trespasser. If you don't like him, you don't like him. I think Cullen is as dull as dry toast and has a face like a rubbery potato, but he's insanely popular with the fanbase. To each their own. I think that Solas is quite transparent much of the time, it's just no one has the historical context to understand the things he's hinting at. Like when he's alluding to the Dwarves connection to the Titans with Varric, repeatedly asking him if he "misses" the stone. Like there's something that's worth missing. You don't really start to get it, until the other puzzle pieces start being laid out. Reading the dialogue he has with all of the companions through the game, I think you get a good picture of who he is, particularly in his discussions with Sera and Bull, but all of the companions are his foils. Trespasser only confirms things that he alluded to or were hinted at, and gives you his version of the story and his ultimate intentions. He's very blunt about his feelings with a disapproved Inquisitor, so it's very much worth it to run one if you have the time and inclination.
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Post by phoray on Sept 28, 2017 18:00:57 GMT
@dawnstone That was such a strong negative reaction to my sharing that I'm more neutral to his video game portrayal than I am to the fan art around the romance, that I can only shake my head and leave the thread. Sorry I'm not enough of a Solas fan? Have fun with Solas, guys.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 18:20:41 GMT
@dawnstone That was such a strong negative reaction to my sharing that I'm more neutral to his video game portrayal than I am to the fan art around the romance, that I can only shake my head and leave the thread. Sorry I'm not enough of a Solas fan? Have fun with Solas, guys. I didn't think that I was being negative, I apologize that I came off that way. You said you didn't click with Solas, I was trying to put forth that maybe he isn't your thing and I don't think that that's a bad thing, and felt that I had a similar experience with another popular character, that I couldn't get into. Please do not give up on Solas, because I am bad at people.
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Post by phoray on Sept 28, 2017 20:16:15 GMT
@dawnstone That was such a strong negative reaction to my sharing that I'm more neutral to his video game portrayal than I am to the fan art around the romance, that I can only shake my head and leave the thread. Sorry I'm not enough of a Solas fan? Have fun with Solas, guys. I didn't think that I was being negative, I apologize that I came off that way. You said you didn't click with Solas, I was trying to put forth that maybe he isn't your thing and I don't think that that's a bad thing, and felt that I had a similar experience with another popular character, that I couldn't get into. Please do not give up on Solas, because I am bad at people. I accept your apology. To clarify my POV of the conversation: Me: "I don't know if I really got to know Solas in game. The art about him is hot, but is in game portrayal doesn't grab me. I find this confusing."-- Me, reaching out to other fans about my confusion of how I seem to like the concept of Solas, but find the delivery in game to be lacking attraction. I wonder how I could like Solas more, what am I missing. DS: "If you don't like him, you don't like him. I think Cullen is as dull as dry toast and has a face like a rubbery potato, but he's insanely popular with the fanbase. To each their own." --------my understanding of those words, "If you don't like him, don't bring your dislike into our Solas love thread. Cullen is an ugly dull man and I don't go over to his thread and bash him, do I." I'm also a major Cullen fan, so this reply seemed to particularly apply to me although reading over it, you were just generally comparing fan bases and not aware of my Cullen love.
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Post by medusa on Sept 28, 2017 20:55:20 GMT
/waves I think I belong here. Hi everyone I did Cole's personal quest today and captured a fun set of screenshots. I like to think this is what Solas and I's facial expressions were saying lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 21:39:04 GMT
I didn't think that I was being negative, I apologize that I came off that way. You said you didn't click with Solas, I was trying to put forth that maybe he isn't your thing and I don't think that that's a bad thing, and felt that I had a similar experience with another popular character, that I couldn't get into. Please do not give up on Solas, because I am bad at people. I accept your apology. To clarify my POV of the conversation: Me: "I don't know if I really got to know Solas in game. The art about him is hot, but is in game portrayal doesn't grab me. I find this confusing."-- Me, reaching out to other fans about my confusion of how I seem to like the concept of Solas, but find the delivery in game to be lacking attraction. I wonder how I could like Solas more, what am I missing. DS: "If you don't like him, you don't like him. I think Cullen is as dull as dry toast and has a face like a rubbery potato, but he's insanely popular with the fanbase. To each their own." --------my understanding of those words, "If you don't like him, don't bring your dislike into our Solas love thread. Cullen is an ugly dull man and I don't go over to his thread and bash him, do I." I'm also a major Cullen fan, so this reply seemed to particularly apply to me although reading over it, you were just generally comparing fan bases and not aware of my Cullen love. Thank you, and again I apologize. I was definitely not attacking Cullen's fans, nor you. I did not know you were a big fan of Cullen, though I suppose if I ever went into the other character threads, that would have been apparent. You should let out your feelings positive or negative about Solas, though if you want to, here. This thread isn't called the Blanketfort because his romance and/or character arc are warm and fuzzy and satisfying, or because his actions and comments are always easy to swallow. He is a divisive character for very good reasons. I just like the angst, want to know what happens next with him, and how he got to be who he is. That's the attraction for me - not knowing the whole story, wanting to know more, and being certain that it will be a dramatic trainwreck all the way down.
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Post by phoray on Sept 28, 2017 21:44:38 GMT
You should let out your feelings positive or negative about Solas, though if you want to, here. This thread isn't called the Blanketfort because his romance and/or character arc are warm and fuzzy and satisfying, or because his actions and comments are always easy to swallow. He is a divisive character for very good reasons. I just like the angst, want to know what happens next with him, and how he got to be who he is. That's the attraction for me - not knowing the whole story, wanting to know more, and being certain that it will be a dramatic trainwreck all the way down. What currently appeals to me is my hope of a romantic tragedy murder suicide in DA4 between him and the Lavellan I've created for them. Perfect world, she stops him with a knife tween the ribs, he dies in her arms after tearful what could have beens and goodbyes, and then she walks into the fade carrying his body where they both disintegrate into dust. (the Fade being death to anyone not in the Inquisitor Anchor's sphere of safe influence.) But I would like it to be more than just that.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 28, 2017 22:13:40 GMT
You should let out your feelings positive or negative about Solas, though if you want to, here. This thread isn't called the Blanketfort because his romance and/or character arc are warm and fuzzy and satisfying, or because his actions and comments are always easy to swallow. He is a divisive character for very good reasons. I just like the angst, want to know what happens next with him, and how he got to be who he is. That's the attraction for me - not knowing the whole story, wanting to know more, and being certain that it will be a dramatic trainwreck all the way down. What currently appeals to me is my hope of a romantic tragedy murder suicide in DA4 between him and the Lavellan I've created for them. Perfect world, she stops him with a knife tween the ribs, he dies in her arms after tearful what could have beens and goodbyes, and then she walks into the fade carrying his body where they both disintegrate into dust. (the Fade being death to anyone not in the Inquisitor Anchor's sphere of safe influence.) But I would like it to be more than just that. Oh, goodness..the tears would be eternal. I can dig it.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 28, 2017 22:30:35 GMT
I just find it dissonant that it's artwork about Solas rather than in game Solas that stirs my blood. Do I really like Solas? Or do I just like what and who I think he is? Possibly why I couldn't get behind his romance entirely. I'm not certain we know him at all until Trespasser. Oof, well I know where I stand. I remember pre-release, there was a bunch of "Solas is nerdy! He's such a loner! I bet he's a flustery blushing virgin like Alistair!" I didn't quite get on that hype train, but the "Indomitable focus" line blind-sided me something fierce. I think afterwards I paused the game and started at the screen for ten minutes while I tried to process how badly I just got owned. The fade kiss just sealed the deal, really. (I guess I should say that, while I was interested in Solas before playing, I was determined to try out other romances first. Lolnope. Bastard swept me off my feet on the first run.) If I may ask, what is about him that makes you unsure?
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Post by phoray on Sept 28, 2017 22:42:15 GMT
If I may ask, what is about him that makes you unsure? Off the cuff answer; his flirting isn't built in like Cullen's is. When you arrive at Skyhold, if you've flirted with Cullen at all, he talks about how worried he was about you. But, to be honest, I haven't studied the Solas-mance closely enough to not be ignoring some of his built in stuff. I think you can flirt with him in a protective way at Haven about keeping Cass off him, and then maybe his Fade scene is different? but it seemed like he really doesn't start the romance at all himself and you have to kinda push yourself on him before he does anything back. And then I could complain about his "we mustn't do this" thing, except Blackwall totally did that and I grinned like a lecher and mashed the heart icon anyway (oh the innocence of my first PT, I was had by a liar anyway), so it would hypocritical to say it is that. Also, I'm a Warden fan and I don't like what he says about them. But my first play through, I did call him friend. Enough that when I hit Trespasser and the Tamassaran told me he was a liar using me and I was like, "No matter what our friend is up to, we will help him~" hahahahahaha and then I said I'd redeem him, as a friend, on my first PT. So it's not like I dislike Solas. He just doesn't turn me on outright? and I like nerds in real life so it's not like his intellectualism puts me off. I've commented elsewhere that he doesn't have as much romanctic content. Like, the Quantity is pretty sparse. and maybe that could be it. Just not enough to differentiate friendship from romance other than a couple kisses and a breakup-not-break up.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 28, 2017 22:52:25 GMT
That fade kiss is something else. Kudos to whomever is responsible for that. It's kind of a shame you can't see the whole picture in that scene. I mean, the intensity is blatantly obvious as it is, but with flycam you can see that he has Lavellan practically grinding on his thigh....whew. Virginal, indeed.
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Post by phoray on Sept 28, 2017 22:57:16 GMT
That fade kiss is something else. Kudos to whomever is responsible for that. It's kind of a shame you can't see the whole picture in that scene. I mean, the intensity is blatantly obvious as it is, but with flycam you can see that he has Lavellan practically grinding on his thigh....whew. Virginal, indeed. Picture or it didn't happen?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 28, 2017 23:03:36 GMT
That fade kiss is something else. Kudos to whomever is responsible for that. It's kind of a shame you can't see the whole picture in that scene. I mean, the intensity is blatantly obvious as it is, but with flycam you can see that he has Lavellan practically grinding on his thigh....whew. Virginal, indeed. Picture or it didn't happen?
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 28, 2017 23:05:21 GMT
If I may ask, what is about him that makes you unsure? Off the cuff answer; his flirting isn't built in like Cullen's is. When you arrive at Skyhold, if you've flirted with Cullen at all, he talks about how worried he was about you. But, to be honest, I haven't studied the Solas-mance closely enough to not be ignoring some of his built in stuff. I think you can flirt with him in a protective way at Haven about keeping Cass off him, and then maybe his Fade scene is different? but it seemed like he really doesn't start the romance at all himself and you have to kinda push yourself on him before he does anything back. And then I could complain about his "we mustn't do this" thing, except Blackwall totally did that and I grinned like a lecher and mashed the heart icon anyway (oh the innocence of my first PT, I was had by a liar anyway), so it would hypocritical to say it is that. Also, I'm a Warden fan and I don't like what he says about them. But my first play through, I did call him friend. Enough that when I hit Trespasser and the Tamassaran told me he was a liar using me and I was like, "No matter what our friend is up to, we will help him~" hahahahahaha and then I said I'd redeem him, as a friend, on my first PT. So it's not like I dislike Solas. He just doesn't turn me on outright? and I like nerds in real life so it's not like his intellectualism puts me off. I've commented elsewhere that he doesn't have as much romanctic content. Like, the Quantity is pretty sparse. and maybe that could be it. Just not enough to differentiate friendship from romance other than a couple kisses and a breakup-not-break up. He's definitely lighter on romantic content than most of the other romances, yeah. And he really is passive in the romance, at least in the beginning. I remember talking about this a few weeks ago, how weird it is to compare Solas romance with Alistair's. Because Alistair's sort of insecure and wilting and submissive, but (at least if you get his approval up high enough) he's the one who really moves the relationship along. Whereas Solas is pretty confident and comfortable and secure, but he doesn't make a move unless you do, first. The only point in the relationship where he acts first is... when he breaks up with you. Wah wah. I think that's mostly because, in the beginning he simply can't conceive of you (Or any mortal) being capable of capturing his interest. I think it's around the Fade scene where he begins to question that. But from then, he holds back because, well, that whole "Gonna destroy your world" thing. But I think his reluctance is mostly circumstantial - in a situation where he didn't have the whole Fen'Harel thing hanging over his head, I imagine he'd be pretty bold in courtship. Compare to a character like Alistair, whose reluctance is an innate character feature, rather than situational. I just can't really imagine it otherwise, given how... inspired, let's say, some of the things he says and does, especially in the romance. How confident he is with flirting, the references to when he was young and cocky, his enjoyment at Halamshiral. Yeah, Solas takes a bit to come out of his shell, but by God does he ever make an impression when does. That's something I like quite a bit about his character. He's so carefully stoic, but shows flashes of incredible passion. A quiet but complete confidence. ...Granted, that also seems to be a major flaw of his, so (shrug).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 28, 2017 23:06:21 GMT
*sees the above conversation* Well, another reason not to do his romance then.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 28, 2017 23:08:54 GMT
*sees the above conversation* Well, another reason not to do his romance then. Aww. To be fair, that particular scene is entirely optional.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 28, 2017 23:10:15 GMT
*sees the above conversation* Well, another reason not to do his romance then. Aww. To be fair, that particular scene is entirely optional. How is it optional?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 28, 2017 23:14:52 GMT
Aww. To be fair, that particular scene is entirely optional. How is it optional? There is a 'kiss him' option, and....another option without a kiss. I don't remember what is said. I never take that one.
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