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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 28, 2017 23:20:09 GMT
There is a 'kiss him' option, and....another option without a kiss. I don't remember what is said. I never take that one. That stops the romance. The Inquisitor says "You're a good friend, Solas. I appreciate that." So the only way to romance him is to have the Inquisitor grind against him like a horndog.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 28, 2017 23:22:57 GMT
There is a 'kiss him' option, and....another option without a kiss. I don't remember what is said. I never take that one. That stops the romance. The Inquisitor says "You're a good friend, Solas. I appreciate that." So the only way to romance him is to have the Inquisitor grind against him like a horndog. It does? I didn't realize that. That's a bummer.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 28, 2017 23:24:31 GMT
That stops the romance. The Inquisitor says "You're a good friend, Solas. I appreciate that." So the only way to romance him is to have the Inquisitor grind against him like a horndog. It does? I didn't realize that. That's a bummer. Yeah, I looked it up on Youtube and after the Inquisitor said what I wrote the tone goes back to the professional tone of the non-romance options.
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Post by phoray on Sept 28, 2017 23:43:44 GMT
*sees the above conversation* Well, another reason not to do his romance then. to be fair, that is FLY CAM. It's very very likely the quiz is not actually grinding their crotch on his leg it's just they didn't bother making sure the bottom half was appropriate to the scene when they don't even show the bottom half during the scene. They made the top half what they wanted to be, and ignored the lower halves of the characters clipping into each other.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 28, 2017 23:47:06 GMT
That fade kiss is something else. Kudos to whomever is responsible for that. It's kind of a shame you can't see the whole picture in that scene. I mean, the intensity is blatantly obvious as it is, but with flycam you can see that he has Lavellan practically grinding on his thigh....whew. Virginal, indeed. Picture or it didn't happen? Just ONE picture? Ahahaha, you underestimate the Bioware fandom...
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 29, 2017 0:34:02 GMT
Off the cuff answer; his flirting isn't built in like Cullen's is. When you arrive at Skyhold, if you've flirted with Cullen at all, he talks about how worried he was about you. But, to be honest, I haven't studied the Solas-mance closely enough to not be ignoring some of his built in stuff. I think you can flirt with him in a protective way at Haven about keeping Cass off him, and then maybe his Fade scene is different? but it seemed like he really doesn't start the romance at all himself and you have to kinda push yourself on him before he does anything back. And then I could complain about his "we mustn't do this" thing, except Blackwall totally did that and I grinned like a lecher and mashed the heart icon anyway (oh the innocence of my first PT, I was had by a liar anyway), so it would hypocritical to say it is that. Also, I'm a Warden fan and I don't like what he says about them. But my first play through, I did call him friend. Enough that when I hit Trespasser and the Tamassaran told me he was a liar using me and I was like, "No matter what our friend is up to, we will help him~" hahahahahaha and then I said I'd redeem him, as a friend, on my first PT. So it's not like I dislike Solas. He just doesn't turn me on outright? and I like nerds in real life so it's not like his intellectualism puts me off. I've commented elsewhere that he doesn't have as much romanctic content. Like, the Quantity is pretty sparse. and maybe that could be it. Just not enough to differentiate friendship from romance other than a couple kisses and a breakup-not-break up. He's definitely lighter on romantic content than most of the other romances, yeah. And he really is passive in the romance, at least in the beginning. I remember talking about this a few weeks ago, how weird it is to compare Solas romance with Alistair's. Because Alistair's sort of insecure and wilting and submissive, but (at least if you get his approval up high enough) he's the one who really moves the relationship along. Whereas Solas is pretty confident and comfortable and secure, but he doesn't make a move unless you do, first. The only point in the relationship where he acts first is... when he breaks up with you. Wah wah. I think that's mostly because, in the beginning he simply can't conceive of you (Or any mortal) being capable of capturing his interest. I think it's around the Fade scene where he begins to question that. But from then, he holds back because, well, that whole "Gonna destroy your world" thing. But I think his reluctance is mostly circumstantial - in a situation where he didn't have the whole Fen'Harel thing hanging over his head, I imagine he'd be pretty bold in courtship. Compare to a character like Alistair, whose reluctance is an innate character feature, rather than situational. I just can't really imagine it otherwise, given how... inspired, let's say, some of the things he says and does, especially in the romance. How confident he is with flirting, the references to when he was young and cocky, his enjoyment at Halamshiral. Yeah, Solas takes a bit to come out of his shell, but by God does he ever make an impression when does. That's something I like quite a bit about his character. He's so carefully stoic, but shows flashes of incredible passion. A quiet but complete confidence. ...Granted, that also seems to be a major flaw of his, so (shrug). I wonder if some of that quiet confidence is what attracts him in Lavellan as well (also, Inquisitor in general, but not on romantic front). I think that even without the whole Fen'Harel business, being Solas alone - a Fade nerd in a world rejecting Fade and magic - he expected rejection on all fronts. So he's flabbergasted if he finds curiosity and acceptance. And a person who actively pursues him? Now that's shocking!
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 29, 2017 0:49:49 GMT
I wonder if some of that quiet confidence is what attracts him in Lavellan as well (also, Inquisitor in general, but not on romantic front). I think that even without the whole Fen'Harel business, being Solas alone - a Fade nerd in a world rejecting Fade and magic - he expected rejection on all fronts. So he's flabbergasted if he finds curiosity and acceptance. And a person who actively pursues him? Now that's shocking! I do like the theory that part of the reason he's so taken with the romance is because he knows it's genuine. As Fen'harel, he probably got plenty of attention, but could never really be sure if that attention was sincere affection or political power-grabbing or even coerced by a third party (As a form of political power grabbing.) But as Solas? As pointed out in game, the Inquisitor could pick more politically agreeable lovers than a homeless, unknown elven apostate. (To the point that, when I first played the game, I thought this was actually what he was referring to when he said a romance "could cause trouble" after the Fade scene.) There's no political benefit to it. There's a good potential for scandal, even. But that means he knows that she's doing it for him, not for power or prestige, or out some pressure to please him on account of his station.
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Post by uirebhiril on Sept 29, 2017 1:09:26 GMT
to be fair, that is FLY CAM. It's very very likely the quiz is not actually grinding their crotch on his leg it's just they didn't bother making sure the bottom half was appropriate to the scene when they don't even show the bottom half during the scene. They made the top half what they wanted to be, and ignored the lower halves of the characters clipping into each other. Heh, no... it's possible it was just a happy coincidence of placement working out, but when you watch the clip it all moves carefully and seamlessly together. It's definitely what it looks like. Always felt someone took a page from DA2 where Hawke slips their thigh between Fenris' legs.
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Post by phoray on Sept 29, 2017 1:12:27 GMT
to be fair, that is FLY CAM. It's very very likely the quiz is not actually grinding their crotch on his leg it's just they didn't bother making sure the bottom half was appropriate to the scene when they don't even show the bottom half during the scene. They made the top half what they wanted to be, and ignored the lower halves of the characters clipping into each other. Heh, no... it's possible it was just a happy coincidence of placement working out, but when you watch the clip it all moves carefully and seamlessly together. It's definitely what it looks like. Always felt someone took a page from DA2 where Hawke slips their thigh between Fenris' legs. Well... I mean, I'm into sexy things happening too, but I'd actually think a guy was a total creep if he manipulated my body into humping his leg on a 1st/2nd kiss. So, I like the fan speculation but I kinda hope not. If that makes sense.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 29, 2017 1:23:37 GMT
*sees the above conversation* Well, another reason not to do his romance then. to be fair, that is FLY CAM. It's very very likely the quiz is not actually grinding their crotch on his leg it's just they didn't bother making sure the bottom half was appropriate to the scene when they don't even show the bottom half during the scene. They made the top half what they wanted to be, and ignored the lower halves of the characters clipping into each other. As uirebhiril said, that is way to careful to not be an accident. Perhaps at one point they were going to show full body but then later decided to cut it off at the waist. Patrick just did what the MEA devs did and lied about the nature of the romance. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, since Trespasser put that notion to bed with his line that is really creepy and unnerving the more I think about it.
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Post by phoray on Sept 29, 2017 1:26:57 GMT
to be fair, that is FLY CAM. It's very very likely the quiz is not actually grinding their crotch on his leg it's just they didn't bother making sure the bottom half was appropriate to the scene when they don't even show the bottom half during the scene. They made the top half what they wanted to be, and ignored the lower halves of the characters clipping into each other. As uirebhiril said, that is way to careful to not be an accident. Perhaps at one point they were going to show full body but then later decided to cut it off at the waist. Patrick just did what the MEA devs did and lied about the nature of the romance. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, since Trespasser put that notion to bed with his line that is really creepy and unnerving the more I think about it. The comment about bed being a side benefit, or his awkwardly saying he would nver "have her and lie" or something weird like that?
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Post by uirebhiril on Sept 29, 2017 1:27:04 GMT
Heh, no... it's possible it was just a happy coincidence of placement working out, but when you watch the clip it all moves carefully and seamlessly together. It's definitely what it looks like. Always felt someone took a page from DA2 where Hawke slips their thigh between Fenris' legs. Well... I mean, I'm into sexy things happening too, but I'd actually think a guy was a total creep if he manipulated my body into humping his leg on a 1st/2nd kiss. So, I like the fan speculation but I kinda hope not. If that makes sense. A fair point, but I consider that to follow much like sharing a bit of tongue would. A gentle nudge or tap to see if it's wanted and continuing only if the opposite party indicates it's all right. Weekes wanted anything overtly sexual left ambiguous, so it works out well that the flycam scene is not visible. But boy howdy, it was a fun thing to find for those whose Lavellans were amenable to a bit of Fade fun.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 29, 2017 1:31:24 GMT
As uirebhiril said, that is way to careful to not be an accident. Perhaps at one point they were going to show full body but then later decided to cut it off at the waist. Patrick just did what the MEA devs did and lied about the nature of the romance. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, since Trespasser put that notion to bed with his line that is really creepy and unnerving the more I think about it. The comment about bed being a side benefit, or his awkwardly saying he would nver "have her and lie" or something weird like that? Yeah, those lines.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 29, 2017 1:40:05 GMT
to be fair, that is FLY CAM. It's very very likely the quiz is not actually grinding their crotch on his leg it's just they didn't bother making sure the bottom half was appropriate to the scene when they don't even show the bottom half during the scene. They made the top half what they wanted to be, and ignored the lower halves of the characters clipping into each other. Heh, no... it's possible it was just a happy coincidence of placement working out, but when you watch the clip it all moves carefully and seamlessly together. It's definitely what it looks like. Always felt someone took a page from DA2 where Hawke slips their thigh between Fenris' legs. IMO this particular animation was mostly mocapped instead of hand-keyed (save for cleanup), so likely what we see is what we get. Must've been a lot of fun to record those. ... Uh, is it amusing when the first thing I think about when I see those scenes and hear those LOUD lip smacking sounds is "gawd... who is responsible for recording those and how would that look like?" Like, imagine that person's resume: "Making kissy sounds for Bioware romances".
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 29, 2017 1:45:38 GMT
Well... I mean, I'm into sexy things happening too, but I'd actually think a guy was a total creep if he manipulated my body into humping his leg on a 1st/2nd kiss. So, I like the fan speculation but I kinda hope not. If that makes sense. A fair point, but I consider that to follow much like sharing a bit of tongue would. A gentle nudge or tap to see if it's wanted and continuing only if the opposite party indicates it's all right. Weekes wanted anything overtly sexual left ambiguous, so it works out well that the flycam scene is not visible. But boy howdy, it was a fun thing to find for those whose Lavellans were amenable to a bit of Fade fun. Well, if Lavellan's reaction is anything to go by, she enjoyed herself all the way. Like, there was hardly any hesitation or surprise, like in case of Cullen - she put a hand on his neck and encouraged him to continue. The comment about bed being a side benefit, or his awkwardly saying he would nver "have her and lie" or something weird like that? Yeah, those lines. According to Weekes those lines in Trespasser were supposed to be ambiguous, because they never really wanted to overtly state if something happened or not.
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Post by phoray on Sept 29, 2017 1:57:24 GMT
midnight teaSome folks just prefer to have non sexual bioware romances. The ambiguity of Solas'/Quiz romantic activites are not as ambiguous as Josephine's if there are all these odd comments AND a thigh hump on the first kiss. It really leans it towards the "definitely had sex" group think.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 29, 2017 2:17:22 GMT
midnight tea Some folks just prefer to have non sexual bioware romances. The ambiguity of Solas'/Quiz romantic activites are not as ambiguous as Josephine's if there are all these odd comments AND a thigh hump on the first kiss. It really leans it towards the "definitely had sex" group think. Well as suggestive as advanced kissy action and flirting is it doesn't yet mean that they've done the deed, hence the ambiguity, at least for some. IMO this mostly shows that Solas is a smooth and experienced lover who's not afraid of physically expressing his affections.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 29, 2017 5:33:27 GMT
Honestly? I kinda feel like Weekes just-so-happened to avoid being explicit about Solas and the Inquisitor having sex, and just decided to roll with it when people said that the romance is asexual-friendly. I can understand saying they didn't have sex, period. That would make the romance technically asexual, but I think there's too many references and suggestions in game to seriously claim that Solas himself is.
I guess you could make the claim that he intentionally avoided being explicit, to avoid upsetting players who'd see it as a breach of consent. But even then, that doesn't make Solas actually asexual, just not-sex-having. Which is a word now. Don't question me.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 29, 2017 10:53:25 GMT
Honestly? I kinda feel like Weekes just-so-happened to avoid being explicit about Solas and the Inquisitor having sex, and just decided to roll with it when people said that the romance is asexual-friendly. I can understand saying they didn't have sex, period. That would make the romance technically asexual, but I think there's too many references and suggestions in game to seriously claim that Solas himself is. I guess you could make the claim that he intentionally avoided being explicit, to avoid upsetting players who'd see it as a breach of consent. But even then, that doesn't make Solas actually asexual, just not-sex-having. Which is a word now. Don't question me. I suppose one could interpret it like that - but I think it may as well be the result of them being aware that he is going to be a polarizing character.
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Honestly? I kinda feel like Weekes just-so-happened to avoid being explicit about Solas and the Inquisitor having sex, and just decided to roll with it when people said that the romance is asexual-friendly. I can understand saying they didn't have sex, period. That would make the romance technically asexual, but I think there's too many references and suggestions in game to seriously claim that Solas himself is. I guess you could make the claim that he intentionally avoided being explicit, to avoid upsetting players who'd see it as a breach of consent. But even then, that doesn't make Solas actually asexual, just not-sex-having. Which is a word now. Don't question me. I'm one of the ace-spectrum people who had assumed without any input from anyone that there had not been any sexual relations between Solas and Lavellan. It's actually the other Solavellan fans who burst that little bubble for me, not Patrick Weekes. But I did get the sense that Solas was probably a sexual character, and that he chose not to have sex because of Reasons. In my head, those reasons were not merely his own but were also respectful of my Lavellan's wishes. Soon after finishing the game but before coming back to the forum in force, I had been very pleased with the maturity and respectfulness of the romance between Lavellan and Solas. And then in Trespasser, you find out he has lied by omission about who he actually is throughout it all, but it made sense to my (and my Lavellan's) pragmatism, so I don't hold a grudge against him for it (and neither does my Lavellan, although you can bet that she angrily yelled at him for not trusting her - she has a temper but it passes quickly). I still feel that what they had was indeed real, and that my Lavellan was never treated disrespectfully by Solas in a personal sense.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 29, 2017 14:30:36 GMT
I must admit that I had mixed feelings about that first kiss with Solas because it did seem to be making my Lavellan, who I played as somewhat shy, suddenly become altogether too pushy. In fact I never really got why she would be so forward at that point. Then afterwards when she went to speak with him there was the conversation about fade tongues and I was really wondering at the speed at which the romance seemed to be progressing. Then on the balcony he is saying it would be kinder not to pursue it, so when he did break up with me I felt like the writers were trying to imply it was my fault if I got my heart broken because I had been the one insisting on keeping it going. Finally in Trespasser you get the line about how he would never have done anything I didn't want him to and I really felt bad for my girl because once again it seemed to be putting responsibility for her broken heart onto her. Nevertheless, having come that far with the relationship, I decided that she was obviously hopelessly devoted to him, so instead of being angry with him over the comment, he still has her undying love. (Definitely a case of role playing her character rather than how I felt myself).
I think Solas is a bit like Marmite (I don't know if anyone outside of the UK will get that joke) and you either love him or hate him. Back in the early days, I recall I was raving about how great he was and my daughter's response was she found him "a bit creepy". Her boyfriend on the other hand thought he was a great person but then again he wasn't romancing him. On the whole I think I prefer him as a friend simply because there is something about the romance that seems somewhat manipulative, particularly if you are playing a more "innocent" Inquisitor.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 29, 2017 15:09:47 GMT
I'm one of the ace-spectrum people who had assumed without any input from anyone that there had not been any sexual relations between Solas and Lavellan. It's actually the other Solavellan fans who burst that little bubble for me, not Patrick Weekes. But I did get the sense that Solas was probably a sexual character, and that he chose not to have sex because of Reasons. In my head, those reasons were not merely his own but were also respectful of my Lavellan's wishes. Soon after finishing the game but before coming back to the forum in force, I had been very pleased with the maturity and respectfulness of the romance between Lavellan and Solas. And then in Trespasser, you find out he has lied by omission about who he actually is throughout it all, but it made sense to my (and my Lavellan's) pragmatism, so I don't hold a grudge against him for it (and neither does my Lavellan, although you can bet that she angrily yelled at him for not trusting her - she has a temper but it passes quickly). I still feel that what they had was indeed real, and that my Lavellan was never treated disrespectfully by Solas in a personal sense. Yeah, I'm in a pretty similar boat. I'm not real fond of overly-sexual romances and smut. But, while I don't think Solas is asexual, I do think his romance contains a lesser emphasis on sex than most others Bioware has written. (To a degree, I wonder if his, ehm, passionate response is some attempt to make up for that lack of emphasis.) It has been pointed out before that most romances end either in a love confession and sex, or just a love confession (If you're with a character like Isabela who starts out with the sex.) Whereas the culmination of Solas' romance is a sacred religious ritual and then him breaking up with you. (Wah wah x2) Obviously that's for practical reasons - of course the end of the arc is also the end of the relationship, because continuing past that without doing a Fenris-esque return would be tricky - but I also think it's because that's just not what Solas is ultimately about. So - there's that. Hints of sexuality aside, that's not what it is, at its core. I must admit that I had mixed feelings about that first kiss with Solas because it did seem to be making my Lavellan, who I played as somewhat shy, suddenly become altogether too pushy. In fact I never really got why she would be so forward at that point. Then afterwards when she went to speak with him there was the conversation about fade tongues and I was really wondering at the speed at which the romance seemed to be progressing. Then on the balcony he is saying it would be kinder not to pursue it, so when he did break up with me I felt like the writers were trying to imply it was my fault if I got my heart broken because I had been the one insisting on keeping it going. Finally in Trespasser you get the line about how he would never have done anything I didn't want him to and I really felt bad for my girl because once again it seemed to be putting responsibility for her broken heart onto her. Nevertheless, having come that far with the relationship, I decided that she was obviously hopelessly devoted to him, so instead of being angry with him over the comment, he still has her undying love. (Definitely a case of role playing her character rather than how I felt myself). I think Solas is a bit like Marmite (I don't know if anyone outside of the UK will get that joke) and you either love him or hate him. Back in the early days, I recall I was raving about how great he was and my daughter's response was she found him "a bit creepy". Her boyfriend on the other hand thought he was a great person but then again he wasn't romancing him. On the whole I think I prefer him as a friend simply because there is something about the romance that seems somewhat manipulative, particularly if you are playing a more "innocent" Inquisitor. I never felt like my Lavellan was really reflected in game, either. I saw her as - not shy, but very quiet and reserved. Definitely graceless. All the coy teasing Lavellan does to Solas in the Fade scene does not fit at all with what I had for her - she probably would've cut out the middle man and jumped straight to kissing him. But, such is the nature of RPGs. If I wanted my characters to be reflected perfectly, I'd write a novel. Or play DnD. I can't say I ever got the feeling like Solas and/or the game blame Lavellan for it, though. Solas himself seems so quick to assume all fault.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 29, 2017 15:25:18 GMT
Well they do have Cole saying that she thinks it is her fault if you get them in conversation after the breakup, which must have been annoying for people who didn't feel that way. So clearly PW did think that Lavellan could feel that she was responsible for what happened. I was definitely confused by the breakup and waiting for the explanation that he had promised me after we had defeated Corypheus. I never imagined he was going to make me wait 2 years for it! My first run ended in a very subdued way and I didn't feel like celebrating at all at the party. Then she escaped as soon as it was polite and stood alone on the balcony. That was so depressing.
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