The Blanketfort (crying and throwing up) - The Official Solas Thread [Spoilers]

Ha!  Memories.  "Sing from your diaphragm!!"  Good times. 

One thing that bothers me about Solas is that he feels responsible for the ancient elves' fate... but not the modern elves.

I'm like "Yeah, the Dalish have limited knowledge. Why? Because of you, motherfucker. YOOOUUUUUUUUUUU!!"

Could it be because Solas can't compute the guilt internally that he'd just rather not think about it at all? ^^'
I just hope they'll give us a different kind of Solas based on your previous encounter (and not just another Corypheus)

I'm just curious by what he meant 'Even if this world must die..'

Is it the 'state of this world' ? How everything in the natural world will be radically changed ?

Is it 'Ancient Elvhen will be returning with their imaginable power' that they'll be the new power race? (Tough luck for you modern day elves/human/kossith/dwarves)

Is it because he'd half expected the Evanuris returning and wreck havoc because of it? (Imagine they're the chessmasters, Thedas as the chessboard, the rest of the population is their pawn and their game is one of war and destruction until one party emerges victorious)

... Or he drops the Veil and an unimaginable death ray destroys the population?

I think mostly the "world burning in the raw chaos" is a combination of spirits going demon b/c of exposure to the real world and to people freaking out, as well every elf and their mother suddenly having access to magic and all the drama that goes with new mages discovering their powers. But way worse cus its everyone at once.


Exposure without that protection during the moment of transition from no-Fade to Fade may basically overwhelm and short out even a current mage's magic receptors, just like the opposite transition overwhelms and corrupts spirits when its sudden and forced. Nevermind people that are so underdeveloped they don't even wield magic naturally anymore, like most elves. And humans and qunari may also be in the same boat on that.

Dwarves are a bigger question, cus of the titans and just how muddy the information on dwarven nature is. Can they not dream now b/c they never could and thus they have some natural resistance to the Fade? Or can they not dream now b/c the Titan of which they are a "severed arm" does all the dreaming instead? I dunno. But I doubt the effect of the veil being ripped down is going to be good for them, whether its effects hit them directly or it just leaves them in a fundamentally changed world that will be all sorts of hostile.

I don't think it'll be a Raiders of the Lost Ark moment where the Veil drops and the Fade melts everyone's faces off. But civilization will alter fundamentally, if not crumble completely. New dangers will be created, old dangers will be rediscovered, current dangers will be turned up to 11, and people will die due to all of it.

It'll be a cataclysm equivalent to what happened when the Veil went up in the first place. There were survivors of that, sure, but that "world" itself didn't.

Whenever we're reaching this area of speculation, this exchange keeps popping up in my mind:

Cassandra: Solas, I assume you know it's possible to reverse the Rite of Tranquility.
Solas: I did hear of what you learned, yes.
Cassandra: I know of only one mage thus cured, and... he had no control of his emotions. He was distraught.
Cassandra: Do you think that would have passed? If the Tranquil are cured only to end up thus...
Solas: They would be a danger to themselves and others, yes.
Solas: It is difficult to say. In your Vigil, you were Tranquil for but a moment. They have suffered much longer.
Solas: Such control is like a muscle, atrophying without use. Given time it might be restored, but until then...
Cassandra: That may be a risk we are obligated to undertake.
Solas: They will be grateful... even the ones who do not survive.

Something tells me it's very relevant to what is happening/going to happen...

Well, we do have Felassan's side of the story - we know he's Solas's agent, that he's been living among modern Thedosians for at least a few decades, that he disguised himself as Dalish and was in contact with at least some Dalish clans. And from what he said he didn't seem too fond of them (seemed more fond of city elves), to a point that he let one clan be brutally wiped by a powerful demon.

When it comes to the effects of removing the Veil we shouldn't forget the Titans. The Breach caused the one under Ferelden to awaken and it caused earth tremors until it was calmed back down again. So if the entire Veil was removed that might cause all the titans to awaken at once and that alone could cause Thedas-wide earthquakes and corresponding destruction.

I have to admit, though, that the idea of the sudden illuminating of everyone's minds being somehow too much for them to cope with does make sense.

Then, of course, there would be the not insignificant matter of numerous spirits and demons being suddenly free from all constraint and able to roam across the world. The spirits would probably not be a problem but the demons would.

I think this is why he speaks of the "world burning in the raw chaos".

I'm not so sure. After all a lot of the demons we fight in DAI are spirits suddenly exposed to our world, being driven insane from the experience corrupting them into demons. 

Having Felassan return in some way, even if it's only some information that he left behind that gives us insight into what Solas' plans are and how to stop them, would be a nice touch.

It'd be even more impressive if Felassan's death was step one of his plan.

He knew that Solas would have no reason to pay attention to his activities if he was gone, so his death would allow his work to carry on in secret, lessening the chance that Solas might catch wind of what he'd done.

As said above, not only does that seem fitting given his choice of name, but that his final act would allow him to (even in death) beat the Dread Wolf at his own game.

Whilst it is possible that PW intended to re-introduce Felassan at some point, I don't actually think that what he did with Briala was all part of some grand plan of his own in contradiction of Solas. He helped Briala in the short-term initially probably because, like Solas, he knew that ultimately it wouldn't make much difference in the grand scheme of things, if nothing else because modern elves' lives are finite.

Felassan sent Briala back to Celene rather then encourage her to link up with the Dalish. Since most of his plan seemed to involve getting hold of the eluvians and he used clan Virnehn for that purpose, surely it would have made more sense for him to let Briala join them? He had no way of knowing that Gaspard challenging for the throne would have the knock on effect that it did, ending up with Briala rejecting Celene in favour of her own ambitions for the elves.

However, the whole Felassan story does seem somewhat strange. He was around for twenty years or more before Solas woke up. So when did he actually revive and why? Clearly it was to serve Solas but it seems unlikely to me it was simply to gain control of the eluvians. Why did he need to use the Dalish at all? In Masked Empire it seemed like Briala controlled the entire network but then we discover that it only seemed to be the Orlesian section. Morrigan was able to access her eluvian without reference to Briala. The Qunari also unlocked an entire section independently of her. If they could get in and control even a small part of it without any help from demons, could not Felassan have done the same?

So it is possible that his orders covered something more than just gaining control of the eluvians (Solas only ever tells as much of the truth as suits his purposes). The reason Solas killed him is that he recognised that Felassan had deviated from the plan, even though his reason for doing so would ultimately be one that, if Solas comes to admire the Inquisitor, might be one he could sympathise with. I've always felt that it was significant that Solas' two main spirit friends were Wisdom and Purpose. Wisdom was destroyed by ignorant people in the modern world and so he was only left with Purpose, his single minded drive to achieve his aim regardless of the cost.

ellawyn No, you are remembering correctly. The whole Darvaarad level in Trespasser was basically a Qunari research facility for studying magic and magical artifacts, unlocking eluvians, etc.

Hello, people!
I just wanted to check in and make sure everyone is doing well
And to get a dose of Solas speculation, DA4 talk, and some fan art~

I'm replaying the series again... four play throughs at the same time, so I could experience many differing decisions back to back. I'm not yet at Inquisition, but it's fun experiencing the decade before our favorite bald elf inadvertently leads to, or maybe just adds to, the mayhem that shakes the continent~