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Post by oh deer on Sept 13, 2019 19:38:05 GMT
You know, it's really good that Solas' identity is only revealed after the end of the main game. That way, you look at him as just a person. If we had known right from the start, every interaction would be through the lens of the legend. It makes for a great replay. Now you can pick apart his every action, every word. And it all makes sense. I hope Varric is in the next game. To me, it seems like Varric (well, and Cole) were the closest to Solas or at least made an effort to understand him, whereas everyone else kinda brushed him off. I think Varric is in a unique position to understand the weight of him being the Dread Wolf. He's all about stories and getting to know people. Besides, he was really close with Merrill. But I feel like everyone will know he's a pretty big threat. Cassandra seems to acknowledge that the elven gods were somewhat real, or understood their power. She might be in a greater position to understand too.
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Post by Julilla on Sept 13, 2019 19:58:36 GMT
Yes, I'd definitely have loved to see the reactions at Solas' reveal. I think I could see the Dorian and Vivienne being angry, I feel like both of them would feel like they should have know he was more than he put on. Thanks for your character write up oh deer, your Lavellan sounds very interesting. I like that she's unnerving to people around her, I think that fits so well with how the Inquisitor is treated, especially in the beginning of the game.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 13, 2019 20:03:50 GMT
Yes, I'd definitely have loved to see the reactions at Solas' reveal. I think I could see the Dorian and Vivienne being angry, I feel like both of them would feel like they should have know he was more than he put on. Technically they are there in the game, only in form of short banters (aside from Cass' initial reaction when confronting Viddasala in Daarvarad). We can hear them right after that dialogue ends and we go through the first eluvian.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 13, 2019 20:21:23 GMT
I think Solas and Dorian were becoming friends over their nerdy magical talk throughout the game. Sure there's teasing; Dorian teases everybody, but it's usually not malicious teasing. I think Solas is clever enough to have picked up on that. They did have their differences, particularly when it comes to slavery, but I think Dorian's the kind of person who would eventually come around to seeing that slavery is bad.
I'm not sure that Dorian would have been mad at Solas being Fen'Harel. I kind of feel that he'd be more like my Lavellan, wondering what sorts of amazing information Solas could share about Elvhenan and Arlathan, ancient magic, ancient elves, how they built things, how they did things, etc. etc. etc.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 13, 2019 20:40:40 GMT
After hearing what his motivations/story is from the Inquisitor, I imagine Varric is questioning whether he's cursed or something. He seems to always make friends with the people who have the most damage. (Its a result of his empathy and I love it, but I imagine he's like "Shit, again?" at this point.)
Cassandra, upon learning all the facts and his story, I think would want to see the good in Solas and hope for the best outcome, especially if you are in an active romance with him and she's like a sister to you. But... he is indirectly responsible for the conclave explosion. And he's directly responsible for not *warning* them of possible conclave explosions, instead choosing to sit in an inn and wait for Corypheus to blow himself up activating the orb. Justinia, Regalyan, and several thousand people died as a result and I can't see her ignoring that. If they interact at all, I'm guessing it might be similar to her treatment of Blackwall post-reveal.
I think Dorian would likely be one of the ones holding out more hope than most for Solas at first. They are very similar and I think Dorian would see himself in him, or at least empathize a lot. Until/unless Solas' plans screw over something Dorian is planning or protecting, intentionally or no. Dorian is a "once bitten, twice shy" kinda person so once that happened, he'd be disabused of any sympathy real quick.
And we'd have Cole in his corner till the bitter end. If Cole gives up on him, he's likely well and truly lost. Though it'd be interesting to see such a scenario and allow our character to hold out hope even then (and be right). I suppose it could go differently if Cole is human vs a spirit.
Depending on whether she's hardened or softened, Leliana might end up trying to assassinate him without our knowledge or permission.
I really hope all or most of the companions are able to at least appear in the next game (if alive) and we can at least establish their feelings towards Solas.
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Post by oh deer on Sept 13, 2019 21:05:11 GMT
Yes, I'd definitely have loved to see the reactions at Solas' reveal. I think I could see the Dorian and Vivienne being angry, I feel like both of them would feel like they should have know he was more than he put on. Thanks for your character write up oh deer , your Lavellan sounds very interesting. I like that she's unnerving to people around her, I think that fits so well with how the Inquisitor is treated, especially in the beginning of the game. To me, the most unnerving Inquisitor is either the elf/mage combo or the qunari/mage combo. I think people would be more scared of the qunari mage for obvious reasons but elf mage would be more like...disrespect?
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Post by oh deer on Sept 13, 2019 21:12:12 GMT
The only companion I can see not giving a shit about who Solas is and his motivations or revelations would be Sera. She just doesn't like him, is always annoyed with him. But I always got the impression that Dorian and Solas liked each other, they just weren't close. They respected each other immensely but there was no like uwu best friends stuff. I am very interest to see how Dorian reacts. I'd never considered his reaction. All in all, I think everyone should be horrified by what Solas plans to do. He fully intends on essentially killing everyone in the world. I'm really curious what exactly Solas thinks is going to happen. I'd assume all the elves would die too and then that leaves the "gods" he trapped behind the eluvian and himself and...? I kinda have a crack-pot theory. Sorta. We can see in elves such as Abelas and even Solas that they are larger and taller than most other elves. When Solas is relatively "weak," he seems smaller than when we see him in Trespasser. I think the elves used to be larger to accommodate all the energy required to exist in a world with no Veil. Over time, they just kinda shrank and it's one of the reasons Solas can't identify with any elves alive, besides Abelas and the others. He literally does not recognize them.
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Post by Solas on Sept 13, 2019 21:39:58 GMT
oh deer I like her name, it's very pretty. I think quite a number of folk here would agree with you in finding the vallaslin choice to be a difficult one. I also would like to see a ruthless Solas and Inky playing a significant part. thanks for sharing with us. if you ever decide to write some fanfic btw please feel free to post it here in A03! it's the BSN Solas Thread Collection of Fanfic Eggcellence
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Post by Sifr on Sept 14, 2019 6:37:25 GMT
Or Varric would just say his usual "Well, shit." Followed by;
"Are all the mages in Thedas a little crazy or is it just the ones I'm friends with?"
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 14, 2019 10:44:56 GMT
Or Varric would just say his usual "Well, shit." Followed by;
"Are all the mages in Thedas a little crazy or is it just the ones I'm friends with?"
I'd say the trend is disturbing. The shady mage is always the one that chantry fools call "apostate". Morrigan and Solas (Don't know why he calls himself apostate. That loaded chantry phrase should have no meaning for someone like him) clearly qualify. Merrill is more "apostate" than Anders, but Anders set us up the bomb.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 14, 2019 12:45:19 GMT
Followed by;
"Are all the mages in Thedas a little crazy or is it just the ones I'm friends with?"
(Don't know why he calls himself apostate. That loaded chantry phrase should have no meaning for someone like him) Of course it has. And I say that as an actual apostate myself - meaning "a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle." There's nothing suggesting that the word has lost its original meaning in the world of Thedas, even if it has a specific use in the Chantry. And it's yet another example of Solas's doublespeak, who himself is an apostate... from Evanuris (whom he's renounced and rebelled against, be it as a religion, political system or set of principles they seemed to follow). In that sense this is entirely like him. Using one word and making people think he means one thing while he means another/word in its original context.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 14, 2019 13:53:05 GMT
Also, he was doing covert ops for the entire game, and in the modern day, he is what would be called an "apostate" by the current faction in power. So of course he's going to go along with it. He is a mage, but clearly not a Chantry mage. So therefore, for the sake of keeping up appearances while he was infiltrating the Inquisition, he was an "apostate." He's not going to announce to Cassandra, Leliana, etc. that he's an ancient elven god. (He wouldn't tell people he's a god, anyway...)
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 14, 2019 14:33:50 GMT
Also, he was doing covert ops for the entire game, and in the modern day, he is what would be called an "apostate" by the current faction in power. So of course he's going to go along with it. He is a mage, but clearly not a Chantry mage. So therefore, for the sake of keeping up appearances while he was infiltrating the Inquisition, he was an "apostate." He's not going to announce to Cassandra, Leliana, etc. that he's an ancient elven god. (He wouldn't tell people he's a god, anyway...) Plus, he had no problem being introduced as a servant in Halamshiral (wouldn't be surprised if he insisted at it, given that he said to us he'd prefer to wear less distinctive clothing at the ball so he'd be confused for a palace servant) so why would he have an apostate? I mean... he IS also the guy who has turned a nickname used by Evanuris to insult him into his official title. This is totally within his M.O.
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Post by oh deer on Sept 14, 2019 16:23:29 GMT
I'm really curious as to what role Solas played in the pre-Fen'Harel world. Clearly, he was quite powerful to begin with and was even friends with Mythal. I wonder if, at one point, he was considered part of the Evanuris in the capacity that Mythal or June were. Did he always hate the Evanuris or was he one of them, something happened, he saw how wrong their way of life was, and freed the people? I think he was one of them at one point. The whole "Betrayer" title implies that he knew the pantheon well enough to the point that they trusted him.
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Post by Solas on Sept 14, 2019 18:09:41 GMT
^ There are some cool theories out there. I think it's reasonable to believe that he once bore Mythal's vallaslin on his face, and that whatever role he had, it was at Mythal's side, in attendance. Some of the theories I think are neato (for clarity I'm not claiming to have come up with them):
- Solas was originally a spirit (of Wisdom? Wisdom/Pride? - duality is a recurring theme in both the Evanuris and spirits/demons as we know them in modern Thedas). Mythal drew him from the depths of the Fade and gave him physical form, summoned him to serve her. In a time when she was in need of wisdom and insight, I wonder? Could she have sensed and/or been worried about the danger that would come to her through the machinations and violent actions of her counterparts, and sought aid to help her with the growing threat? "He did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face." "Bare-faced but free, frolicking, fighting, fierce. He wants to give Wisdom, not orders." Consider Solas' overwhelming concern for freedom, evident in how he thinks of the Qun, Tevinter slavery, the Circle, binding spirits, etc - mayhap he freed himself but continued his association/friendship/allyship with Mythal. He didn't want to be a slave, but he clearly holds admiration and respect for Mythal, especially when you contrast her with her brethren - so maybe he opted to continue his service of his own accord.
- Solas was Mythal's Guardian and attendant, and this is the origin of the tradition where wolves were Knight's Guardians (referring to the Emerald Knights) in the time of the Dales. In a journal entry, a modern elf wonders why statues of the Dread Wolf have been put up near statues of Mythal, not in a position of honor, but guarding, attending.
- Mythal and Solas were close friends, or lovers
- Solas was Mythal's Champion, as in the codex entry which speaks of Elgar'nan's Champion and Falon'Din's Champion
- Mythal raised Solas to "godhood" and sponsored his ascension to godhood as Andruil did with Ghilan'nain.
- Solas was something of an advisor to Mythal, one who gave counsel
- He was her spymaster/general/head of secret police/enforcer/some other similar position of note within her retinue.
What's interesting to think about is how some of these ideas aren't even necessarily incompatible. A combination of some of them could be the truth.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 14, 2019 23:32:02 GMT
Playable Arlathan flashbacks now, please!
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 15, 2019 0:22:45 GMT
Playable Arlathan flashbacks now, please! With the Fade it's possible for such flashbacks to exist. It's also possible we may get a DLC the like of Leliana's Song at some point in time.
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Post by oh deer on Sept 15, 2019 23:26:58 GMT
So...I wrote a fic and I almost cried while writing it and I wanted to share it with the people here. Also I wanted to share it on the fanfic eggcellence collection but I already posted it before I remembered to post it to that collection. BUT I wanted to make sure it was okay that I upload it to that collection. Anyways, find it hereI'd really appreciate some feedback, if you can!
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Post by Iddy on Sept 16, 2019 14:20:41 GMT
Also, he was doing covert ops for the entire game, and in the modern day, he is what would be called an "apostate" by the current faction in power. So of course he's going to go along with it. He is a mage, but clearly not a Chantry mage. So therefore, for the sake of keeping up appearances while he was infiltrating the Inquisition, he was an "apostate." He's not going to announce to Cassandra, Leliana, etc. that he's an ancient elven god. (He wouldn't tell people he's a god, anyway...) Plus, he had no problem being introduced as a servant in Halamshiral (wouldn't be surprised if he insisted at it, given that he said to us he'd prefer to wear less distinctive clothing at the ball so he'd be confused for a palace servant) so why would he have an apostate? I mean... he IS also the guy who has turned a nickname used by Evanuris to insult him into his official title. This is totally within his M.O. The question is, how did he come to be considered a god? He never was one of the Evanuris, so it must've been a different process.
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Post by Solas on Sept 16, 2019 14:37:59 GMT
So...I wrote a fic and I almost cried while writing it and I wanted to share it with the people here. Also I wanted to share it on the fanfic eggcellence collection but I already posted it before I remembered to post it to that collection. BUT I wanted to make sure it was okay that I upload it to that collection. Anyways, find it hereI'd really appreciate some feedback, if you can! this is absolutely the kind of thing you're welcome to upload to the collection
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Post by oh deer on Sept 16, 2019 17:18:45 GMT
Plus, he had no problem being introduced as a servant in Halamshiral (wouldn't be surprised if he insisted at it, given that he said to us he'd prefer to wear less distinctive clothing at the ball so he'd be confused for a palace servant) so why would he have an apostate? I mean... he IS also the guy who has turned a nickname used by Evanuris to insult him into his official title. This is totally within his M.O. The question is, how did he come to be considered a god? He never was one of the Evanuris, so it must've been a different process. It's very likely that he was elevated to godhood by the people he helped free. By my understanding, Solas underhandedly worked to free the elves before the gods even were aware of it. He might've been the name slaves whispered in temples to give them hope. Then when Solas did what he did to create the current world, those that were loyal to the gods sought to destroy his reputation and twist history to reflect their own narrative.
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Post by Tanyara on Sept 26, 2019 6:48:56 GMT
I'm probably the last to see this, but the Edmonton mayor might have accidentally leaked a DA4 Solas that was showed on a screen in Bioware HQ Mayors TwitterI don't recognize the scene at all and everything looks more high detail. Jackdaw is already all over this in his usual slightly tinfoily manner ;D
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Post by Solas on Sept 26, 2019 7:54:17 GMT
I will eat my hat if its from DA4 lol
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Post by Tanyara on Sept 26, 2019 8:33:57 GMT
I will eat my hat if its from DA4 lol Haha, I'll hold you to that lol XD I don't think it's the ACTUAL game, but it might be a new rendering of Solas with updated graphics - maybe for another teaser or (I optimistacally hope) a trailer. Or just a test of the graphics? I don't recognise this pose or scene from anywhere else, flycam angles included unless it is from some unreleased scenes.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 26, 2019 11:15:50 GMT
I will eat my hat if its from DA4 lol Haha, I'll hold you to that lol XD I don't think it's the ACTUAL game, but it might be a new rendering of Solas with updated graphics - maybe for another teaser or (I optimistacally hope) a trailer. Or just a test of the graphics? I don't recognise this pose or scene from anywhere else, flycam angles included unless it is from some unreleased scenes. The armor he's wearing and the staff he's carrying are both from DAI. But I also can't place where he is. He's in front of a window, obviously. I can't tell what's outside of it. Too blurry. I do doubt the devs would be so sloppy as to let him release an image from the new game that doesn't even have an official title, however.
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