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Post by Sifr on Jan 24, 2020 19:49:30 GMT
Anyway, I think Solas fears that his own mantle will soon dominate who he is. I mean, it IS Solas, just like Leliana's darker side is still Leliana and Inquisitor is still a title carried by a specific person doing specific things and so on and their deeds as this larger-than-life hero can't be detached fully from who they are as a person. On a semi-related tangent;
Am I the only person who thinks that each DA game seems to have a underlying theme surrounding the main character and their respective companions? Unless I'm reading way too much into things (which admittedly might be the case), it seems to line up way too much for it to be unintentional by the devs?
The characters in Origins were all placed outside of their normal comfort zones and must adapt to their new circumstances, the characters in DA2 were all exiles who found a new home and family amongst each other, while the characters in Inquisition all hid their true selves behind some kind of facade.
The Warden is ripped from their old life to become a Warden. Alistair must look to a recruit for direction after losing Duncan at Ostagar. Morrigan must adjust to life outside the safety of the Wilds. Leliana leaves the safety of the Chantry to join the Warden. Sten is stranded in a foreign land, unable to return home. Zevran decides to go rogue from the Crows. Wynne leaves the "safety" of the Circle Tower. Oghren leaves Orzammar for the surface.
Shale leaves Honnleath for the first time in 30 years.
Loghain goes from most powerful man in the country to Grey Warden recruit.
The Hawke family are Ferelden refugees forced to flee the Blight. Aveline is a Ferelden refugee and daughter of an exiled Orlesian Chevalier.
Anders is on the lam from both the Wardens and the Circle.
Fenris is an escaped slave on the run.
Merrill is forced to leave her clan and may end up permanently exiled. Sebastian was forced into the Chantry and is the Prince(-in-exile) of Starkhaven.
Isabela is shipwrecked in Kirkwall and unable to leave until she finds the relic. Varric is a member of an exiled house from Orzammar.
(The Arishok and Qunari are unable to return to Par Vollen without the Tome)
The Inquisitor has the mantle of "Herald of Andraste" and "Inqusitor" bestowed on them against their will.
Cassandra often is referred to solely by her titles of "Seeker" and "Right Hand of the Divine"
Leliana is often referred to by her titles, "Left Hand of the Divine" and "Sister Nightingale".
Cullen is a workaholic who throws himself fully into the role of "Commander". Josephine is far more Antivan (ruthlessly cunning) than she pretends to be.
Dorian plays up the persona of pampered, aristocratic mage from Tevinter.
Vivienne has built up a fearsome reputation as "Madam de Fer" among the Orlesian court. Bull has the mercenary persona of "The Iron Bull" and the Qunari spy "Hissrad". Sera hides her insecurities behind a carefree attitude and her trickster/thief role as a "Red Jenny".
Solas wears the mask of being a gentlemanly scholar and ancient rebel leader "Fen'Harel".
Cole is a Spirit who adopted the identity of a young man he failed to save. Blackwall is the assumed identity of Thom Rainier, who ended up becoming the mask. Varric hides much of his guilt and regret behind a jovial, laidback demeanour.
(Corypheus is the assumed name of "Sethius Imladaris", the former High Priest of Dumat.)
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 25, 2020 2:14:11 GMT
Anyway, I think Solas fears that his own mantle will soon dominate who he is. I mean, it IS Solas, just like Leliana's darker side is still Leliana and Inquisitor is still a title carried by a specific person doing specific things and so on and their deeds as this larger-than-life hero can't be detached fully from who they are as a person. On a semi-related tangent;
Am I the only person who thinks that each DA game seems to have a underlying theme surrounding the main character and their respective companions? Unless I'm reading way too much into things (which admittedly might be the case), it seems to line up way too much for it to be unintentional by the devs?
The characters in Origins were all placed outside of their normal comfort zones and must adapt to their new circumstances, the characters in DA2 were all exiles who found a new home and family amongst each other, while the characters in Inquisition all hid their true selves behind some kind of facade.
The Warden is ripped from their old life to become a Warden. Alistair must look to a recruit for direction after losing Duncan at Ostagar. Morrigan must adjust to life outside the safety of the Wilds. Leliana leaves the safety of the Chantry to join the Warden. Sten is stranded in a foreign land, unable to return home. Zevran decides to go rogue from the Crows. Wynne leaves the "safety" of the Circle Tower. Oghren leaves Orzammar for the surface.
Shale leaves Honnleath for the first time in 30 years.
Loghain goes from most powerful man in the country to Grey Warden recruit.
The Hawke family are Ferelden refugees forced to flee the Blight. Aveline is a Ferelden refugee and daughter of an exiled Orlesian Chevalier.
Anders is on the lam from both the Wardens and the Circle.
Fenris is an escaped slave on the run.
Merrill is forced to leave her clan and may end up permanently exiled. Sebastian was forced into the Chantry and is the Prince(-in-exile) of Starkhaven.
Isabela is shipwrecked in Kirkwall and unable to leave until she finds the relic. Varric is a member of an exiled house from Orzammar.
(The Arishok and Qunari are unable to return to Par Vollen without the Tome)
The Inquisitor has the mantle of "Herald of Andraste" and "Inqusitor" bestowed on them against their will.
Cassandra often is referred to solely by her titles of "Seeker" and "Right Hand of the Divine"
Leliana is often referred to by her titles, "Left Hand of the Divine" and "Sister Nightingale".
Cullen is a workaholic who throws himself fully into the role of "Commander". Josephine is far more Antivan (ruthlessly cunning) than she pretends to be.
Dorian plays up the persona of pampered, aristocratic mage from Tevinter.
Vivienne has built up a fearsome reputation as "Madam de Fer" among the Orlesian court. Bull has the mercenary persona of "The Iron Bull" and the Qunari spy "Hissrad". Sera hides her insecurities behind a carefree attitude and her trickster/thief role as a "Red Jenny".
Solas wears the mask of being a gentlemanly scholar and ancient rebel leader "Fen'Harel".
Cole is a Spirit who adopted the identity of a young man he failed to save. Blackwall is the assumed identity of Thom Rainier, who ended up becoming the mask. Varric hides much of his guilt and regret behind a jovial, laidback demeanour.
(Corypheus is the assumed name of "Sethius Imladaris", the former High Priest of Dumat.)
No, you aren't the only person thinking that One can spot a couple more of of underlying themes poking at places - plus, we've had devs like Patrick Weekes occasionally mention the importance of themes, parallels and repetition of such themes consistently through the material, even if in order for audience to 'catch the drift' of some things. I personally think the storytelling of RPGs benefits when there's a (well-designed) repetition or interweaving of themes and parallels, simply because it allows to create a more cohesive story and mood across games of this scope and size, and where player has a certain degree of control over plotline and pacing.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 25, 2020 2:24:41 GMT
while the characters in Inquisition all hid their true selves behind some kind of facade. Josephine is far more Antivan (ruthlessly cunning) than she pretends to be. I have to agree with your point but disagree with your analysis here. Josephine doesn't pretend to not be Antivan or ruthlessly cunning. We can see her be the latter, though not liking to do it, and it's clear her being an odd one out compared to other Antivans is genuine. Her whole character is genuine to a fault which fits your overall analysis in another way. She hides her true self instead to serving the Inquisition and her family above her own self, hiding her true self behind the facades of heir and ambassador. It's a neat little opposite but the same, which also fits other parts of her like her being a main character but opposed to killing.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 27, 2020 22:56:51 GMT
Hmmm... anybody else thinks that Solas's white wolf companion/fursona looks very much like a Samoyed dog? If Solas is going to return as an effin' SAMOYED and flashes this doggy smile, he's instantly forgiven of *everything* in my world-state.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jan 29, 2020 21:58:23 GMT
Ah..Sammies are famous for their adorable smiles. I would 100% approve of this.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 5, 2020 12:29:18 GMT
Hmmm... anybody else thinks that Solas's white wolf companion/fursona looks very much like a Samoyed dog? If Solas is going to return as an effin' SAMOYED and flashes this doggy smile, he's instantly forgiven of *everything* in my world-state. Solas has a white wolf companion?
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 5, 2020 15:25:57 GMT
Hmmm... anybody else thinks that Solas's white wolf companion/fursona looks very much like a Samoyed dog? If Solas is going to return as an effin' SAMOYED and flashes this doggy smile, he's instantly forgiven of *everything* in my world-state. Solas has a white wolf companion? 'Companion' on his tarot card, though it's hard to say whether some spirit doesn't assume and reflects his alter-ego, thus also a spiritual companion as well as his fursona.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 5, 2020 16:09:04 GMT
Solas has a white wolf companion? 'Companion' on his tarot card, though it's hard to say whether some spirit doesn't assume and reflects his alter-ego, thus also a spiritual companion as well as his fursona. Huh. So we're using that word unironically. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure Solas is black.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 5, 2020 16:43:21 GMT
'Companion' on his tarot card, though it's hard to say whether some spirit doesn't assume and reflects his alter-ego, thus also a spiritual companion as well as his fursona.Huh. So we're using that word unironically. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure Solas is black. Not really. I'm using the word because it amuses me to call Evanuris/ancient elvhen animal representations 'fursonas'. I mean, it kinda fits, doesn't it? They can literally shapeshift to animal forms, or have furry "Fade avatars" of their choice Anyway - even the fact that there's a white wolf on Solas's romance card and depictions of both white and black wolf sitting around Fen'Harel's shrine: ...suggest that this is hardly a fixed issue, as to how exactly his fursona looks like. Clearly, this is about duality of Solas's nature (his 'dark, pragmatic Fen'Harel' side and 'Solas the Fade Nerd' side) and his deep internal conflict. The symbolism here isn't anything particularly subtle. I've only recently elaborated on that point in my other post on the thread - you can reread it, if you're interested.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 5, 2020 17:19:06 GMT
Huh. So we're using that word unironically. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure Solas is black. Not really. I'm using the word because it amuses me to call Evanuris/ancient elvhen animal representations 'fursonas'. I mean, it kinda fits, doesn't it? They can literally shapeshift to animal forms, or have furry "Fade avatars" of their choice Anyway - even the fact that there's a white wolf on Solas's romance card and depictions of both white and black wolf sitting around Fen'Harel's shrine: ...suggest that this is hardly a fixed issue, as to how exactly his fursona looks like. Clearly, this is about duality of Solas's nature (his 'dark, pragmatic Fen'Harel' side and 'Solas the Fade Nerd' side) and his deep internal conflict. The symbolism here isn't anything particularly subtle. I've only recently elaborated on that point in my other post on the thread - you can reread it, if you're interested. Fair enough. You know, symbolism is great and all, but I still want my literal giant wolf boss fight in DA4.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 5, 2020 17:50:25 GMT
Not really. I'm using the word because it amuses me to call Evanuris/ancient elvhen animal representations 'fursonas'. I mean, it kinda fits, doesn't it? They can literally shapeshift to animal forms, or have furry "Fade avatars" of their choice Anyway - even the fact that there's a white wolf on Solas's romance card and depictions of both white and black wolf sitting around Fen'Harel's shrine: ...suggest that this is hardly a fixed issue, as to how exactly his fursona looks like. Clearly, this is about duality of Solas's nature (his 'dark, pragmatic Fen'Harel' side and 'Solas the Fade Nerd' side) and his deep internal conflict. The symbolism here isn't anything particularly subtle. I've only recently elaborated on that point in my other post on the thread - you can reread it, if you're interested. Fair enough. You know, symbolism is great and all, but I still want my literal giant wolf boss fight in DA4. Nobody said that it isn't going too happen I think a lot of people expect some sort of fight with epic wolf, regardless of their views on Solas. You know, I still remember how excited Mike Laidlaw was (when he was still in BW) when he's found this fanart - so much that, IRC, he's publicly asked the artist whether they can use it as some sort of internal reference: That's not to say that this is exactly how things in DA will look like, especially that Mike is not DA's Creative Director or in BW anymore... but I suspect that the current DA team probably won't stray veeeeeery far from vision for DA4 they've had when Mike was still there.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 5, 2020 18:05:53 GMT
Is that the Inquisitor with a prosthetic hand?
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 5, 2020 19:19:45 GMT
Is that the Inquisitor with a prosthetic hand? Yyyyyup. I wouldn't say that this confirms anything, but at the very least it confirms the identity of the figure at the front (in case pose itself doesn't) and suggests the final showdown between Fen'Harel and Inky. I mean, I don't think they'd give us a new PC and they won't have a hand too - though that'd be kinda hilarious
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Post by gyena on Feb 21, 2020 10:21:09 GMT
A question for those better with lore and overall memory: replaying the game yet again and something Solas says at the beginning has been bothering me. He says that magic could have drawn on lyrium beneath the temple, corrupting it. I figure this is referring to Corypheus and him tainting it with the blight. And I’ve also seen theories of there being a blighted Titan but...couldn’t this mean that the ancient elves/Gods contracted the blight somehow and when using the Titans /they/ corrupted them? In doing so causing the Titans to become angry (earthquakes and such) and that’s why they had to be killed/sealed? Not to mention the red lyrium found in the fade where the elven gods are sealed.
Or maybe the elves were the first to corrupt the lyrium idol? If it was a key between the dwarves and the Titans? In the mural for the DA4 teaser it seems that Solas is opposing his desires as Fen’harel to seal the idol away. Or keep it sealed if there are more than one.
Sorry if this has been brought up before.
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Post by Elessara on Feb 21, 2020 17:02:35 GMT
A question for those better with lore and overall memory: replaying the game yet again and something Solas says at the beginning has been bothering me. He says that magic could have drawn on lyrium beneath the temple, corrupting it. I figure this is referring to Corypheus and him tainting it with the blight. And I’ve also seen theories of there being a blighted Titan but...couldn’t this mean that the ancient elves/Gods contracted the blight somehow and when using the Titans /they/ corrupted them? In doing so causing the Titans to become angry (earthquakes and such) and that’s why they had to be killed/sealed? Not to mention the red lyrium found in the fade where the elven gods are sealed. Or maybe the elves were the first to corrupt the lyrium idol? If it was a key between the dwarves and the Titans? In the mural for the DA4 teaser it seems that Solas is opposing his desires as Fen’harel to seal the idol away. Or keep it sealed if there are more than one. Sorry if this has been brought up before. Knowing what we know now, I think Solas was trying to offer a theory that would seem plausible but still vague enough that he didn't give too much about himself away. Also, at this time our characters don't know that there's any connection between red lyrium and the blight. We get an idea later on when Corypheus attacks Haven that somehow Corypheus is using red lyrium but I don't think there's any actual confirmation until we talk with Bianca. Solas probably knows but as I said he can't really come out and say that without a lot of questions about how he knows. What I find interesting is that red lyrium wasn't a thing until Hawke brought the idol up from the Deep Roads (I had to stop myself from typing Underdark lol). What I also find interesting is that unlike blue lyrium, red lyrium can be grown from pretty much any living creature although I imagine it's the Blight that enables it to do that.
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Post by gyena on Feb 21, 2020 19:36:47 GMT
A question for those better with lore and overall memory: replaying the game yet again and something Solas says at the beginning has been bothering me. He says that magic could have drawn on lyrium beneath the temple, corrupting it. I figure this is referring to Corypheus and him tainting it with the blight. And I’ve also seen theories of there being a blighted Titan but...couldn’t this mean that the ancient elves/Gods contracted the blight somehow and when using the Titans /they/ corrupted them? In doing so causing the Titans to become angry (earthquakes and such) and that’s why they had to be killed/sealed? Not to mention the red lyrium found in the fade where the elven gods are sealed. Or maybe the elves were the first to corrupt the lyrium idol? If it was a key between the dwarves and the Titans? In the mural for the DA4 teaser it seems that Solas is opposing his desires as Fen’harel to seal the idol away. Or keep it sealed if there are more than one. Sorry if this has been brought up before. Knowing what we know now, I think Solas was trying to offer a theory that would seem plausible but still vague enough that he didn't give too much about himself away. Also, at this time our characters don't know that there's any connection between red lyrium and the blight. We get an idea later on when Corypheus attacks Haven that somehow Corypheus is using red lyrium but I don't think there's any actual confirmation until we talk with Bianca. Solas probably knows but as I said he can't really come out and say that without a lot of questions about how he knows. What I find interesting is that red lyrium wasn't a thing until Hawke brought the idol up from the Deep Roads (I had to stop myself from typing Underdark lol). What I also find interesting is that unlike blue lyrium, red lyrium can be grown from pretty much any living creature although I imagine it's the Blight that enables it to do that. Not a thing on the surface no, but codex entries about two forgotten thaigs in DA2, found in the Primevil thaig, mention a staff made of unknown material that was sealed, as well a second idol with no hints of what they did with it. It was found on a blighted scavenger and they couldn’t retrace his steps because of the darkspawn. We learn from Valta that the Shaperate strikes things from the memories they don’t like so them erasing things about red lyrium wouldn’t surprise me. And when Hawke touches the idol to pick it up there seems to be a barrier or sorts, weakened by time maybe. There is also the profane codex stating that they were forgotten, left trapped underground. They cried out for justice but were ignored, forced to eat from the gods and trapped in silence for aeons. Makes them sound like elves to me, since the titans would have spoken to them if they were dwarves.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 21, 2020 22:24:05 GMT
Knowing what we know now, I think Solas was trying to offer a theory that would seem plausible but still vague enough that he didn't give too much about himself away. Also, at this time our characters don't know that there's any connection between red lyrium and the blight. We get an idea later on when Corypheus attacks Haven that somehow Corypheus is using red lyrium but I don't think there's any actual confirmation until we talk with Bianca. Solas probably knows but as I said he can't really come out and say that without a lot of questions about how he knows. What I find interesting is that red lyrium wasn't a thing until Hawke brought the idol up from the Deep Roads (I had to stop myself from typing Underdark lol). What I also find interesting is that unlike blue lyrium, red lyrium can be grown from pretty much any living creature although I imagine it's the Blight that enables it to do that. I generally agree that he's tried to keep things vague or make it seem more like 'oh, I'm just guessing *hard wink*' though it's still interesting that he "loudly muses" whether magic may have corrupted the lyrium, given that lyrium is pretty much literally magic. He later call lyrium 'the source of all magic, save that which mages bring themselves'. So red lyrium is... er... an excess of magic? Perhaps what he means by this is that there's some sort of imbalance - that the blast of magic that ripped the Temple Of Sacred Ashes had enough force to shake up some sort of delicate internal structure that has left it wide open to either corruption or a positive feedback loop of doom. Or perhaps it's a fact that large quantities of lyrium got exposed from underground? I don't really recall any significant deposits of normal lyrium anywhere close to the surface and the one dwarves mine and bring on the top has either already been processed or extracted, and thus separated, from its vein. Perhaps this is also why Solas was in such a panic and haste to bury that ancient lyrium mine from Trespasser? Perhaps exposure of large quantities of lyrium, still attached to its source, could result with Titans (and whatever else is buried with them) waking up and potentially breaking their binds? But Evanuris got too greedy and wanted to mine more lyrium, thus exposing more of it to air/Fade, and thought less and less of risks that come with it? Anyhoo, I've always found the lack of lyrium and continuous escalation of events (and past increasingly coming to haunt the present) as a sort of confirmation that things are coming to a head, and not just necessarily in strictly narrative sense. I still maintain that Solas acts as if he's running out of time before *something* happens, which is why he seemed to have hastened his awakening (despite waking from Uthenera still weak) and gave Corypheus the orb. Not a thing on the surface no, but codex entries about two forgotten thaigs in DA2, found in the Primevil thaig, mention a staff made of unknown material that was sealed, as well a second idol with no hints of what they did with it. It was found on a blighted scavenger and they couldn’t retrace his steps because of the darkspawn. We learn from Valta that the Shaperate strikes things from the memories they don’t like so them erasing things about red lyrium wouldn’t surprise me. And when Hawke touches the idol to pick it up there seems to be a barrier or sorts, weakened by time maybe. There is also the profane codex stating that they were forgotten, left trapped underground. They cried out for justice but were ignored, forced to eat from the gods and trapped in silence for aeons. Makes them sound like elves to me, since the titans would have spoken to them if they were dwarves. I'm not entirely sure they would - after all, look what happened to Sha-Brytol. They have literally lived inside a Titan (potentially ever since their ancestors have discovered it, which must've been a very long time ago) and revered it as some sort of divinity, yet the Titan didn't care about them. It only really cared about Valta, who herself had a strong Stone sense and was established as a character with strong will and solid moral backbone. She has also managed to reach its heart close enough to establish a connection. That doesn't mean that those living in Primeval thaig weren't elves (or distinction between races may not have mattered as much at the time?), I just don't think that 'they couldn't be dwarves, otherwise Titans would reach to them' can establish that.
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Post by Julilla on Feb 21, 2020 22:53:06 GMT
I always assumed they were elves in the codex, and I can't say why. I'm trying to think of what other codices were there in the Fade.
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Post by gyena on Feb 21, 2020 23:41:09 GMT
Knowing what we know now, I think Solas was trying to offer a theory that would seem plausible but still vague enough that he didn't give too much about himself away. Also, at this time our characters don't know that there's any connection between red lyrium and the blight. We get an idea later on when Corypheus attacks Haven that somehow Corypheus is using red lyrium but I don't think there's any actual confirmation until we talk with Bianca. Solas probably knows but as I said he can't really come out and say that without a lot of questions about how he knows. What I find interesting is that red lyrium wasn't a thing until Hawke brought the idol up from the Deep Roads (I had to stop myself from typing Underdark lol). What I also find interesting is that unlike blue lyrium, red lyrium can be grown from pretty much any living creature although I imagine it's the Blight that enables it to do that. I generally agree that he's tried to keep things vague or make it seem more like 'oh, I'm just guessing *hard wink*' though it's still interesting that he "loudly muses" whether magic may have corrupted the lyrium, given that lyrium is pretty much literally magic. He later call lyrium 'the source of all magic, save that which mages bring themselves'. So red lyrium is... er... an excess of magic? Perhaps what he means by this is that there's some sort of imbalance - that the blast of magic that ripped the Temple Of Sacred Ashes had enough force to shake up some sort of delicate internal structure that has left it wide open to either corruption or a positive feedback loop of doom. Or perhaps it's a fact that large quantities of lyrium got exposed from underground? I don't really recall any significant deposits of normal lyrium anywhere close to the surface and the one dwarves mine and bring on the top has either already been processed or extracted, and thus separated, from its vein. Perhaps this is also why Solas was in such a panic and haste to bury that ancient lyrium mine from Trespasser? Perhaps exposure of large quantities of lyrium, still attached to its source, could result with Titans (and whatever else is buried with them) waking up and potentially breaking their binds? But Evanuris got too greedy and wanted to mine more lyrium, thus exposing more of it to air/Fade, and thought less and less of risks that come with it? Anyhoo, I've always found the lack of lyrium and continuous escalation of events (and past increasingly coming to haunt the present) as a sort of confirmation that things are coming to a head, and not just necessarily in strictly narrative sense. I still maintain that Solas acts as if he's running out of time before *something* happens, which is why he seemed to have hastened his awakening (despite waking from Uthenera still weak) and gave Corypheus the orb. Not a thing on the surface no, but codex entries about two forgotten thaigs in DA2, found in the Primevil thaig, mention a staff made of unknown material that was sealed, as well a second idol with no hints of what they did with it. It was found on a blighted scavenger and they couldn’t retrace his steps because of the darkspawn. We learn from Valta that the Shaperate strikes things from the memories they don’t like so them erasing things about red lyrium wouldn’t surprise me. And when Hawke touches the idol to pick it up there seems to be a barrier or sorts, weakened by time maybe. There is also the profane codex stating that they were forgotten, left trapped underground. They cried out for justice but were ignored, forced to eat from the gods and trapped in silence for aeons. Makes them sound like elves to me, since the titans would have spoken to them if they were dwarves. I'm not entirely sure they would - after all, look what happened to Sha-Brytol. They have literally lived inside a Titan (potentially ever since their ancestors have discovered it, which must've been a very long time ago) and revered it as some sort of divinity, yet the Titan didn't care about them. It only really cared about Valta, who herself had a strong Stone sense and was established as a character with strong will and solid moral backbone. She has also managed to reach its heart close enough to establish a connection. That doesn't mean that those living in Primeval thaig weren't elves (or distinction between races may not have mattered as much at the time?), I just don't think that 'they couldn't be dwarves, otherwise Titans would reach to them' can establish that. Maybe that was because they injected the lyrium and Valta didn’t? Maybe the titans don’t approve of it. I wouldnt if it was my ‘blood’. lol And I didn’t mean that elves lived there, just that they were trapped when Solas separated the fade. They were starving and had to eat lyrium to survive, or so the codex implies. Ancient elven miners perhaps, bringing lyrium to the surface?
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 22, 2020 2:31:27 GMT
Maybe that was because they injected the lyrium and Valta didn’t? Maybe the titans don’t approve of it. I wouldnt if it was my ‘blood’. lol And I didn’t mean that elves lived there, just that they were trapped when Solas separated the fade. They were starving and had to eat lyrium to survive, or so the codex implies. Ancient elven miners perhaps, bringing lyrium to the surface? Valta does state (after her awakening) that Isana/lyrium is a gift of the Titans to them. If Sha-Brytol did something for the Titan to disapprove it probably wasn't it. They may simply not have been the type of dwarf the Titan is particularly fond of. And if elves indeed were there, I don't think it's as simple as 'they probably were trapped when organizing lyrium shipment'. The thaig is noted to be very different, with stuff there being created by magic - and it also was different to what we saw in Trespasser. There was a style change between titles, but it wasn't drastic enough for them to be unable to visually represent it or even note that anywhere in codices or dialogue. Similarly, nothing has been mentioned in Trespasser that would suggest any similarity and Varric would definitely have something to say in that regard. Whoever lived there was different to what we know now, in one way or another.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 22, 2020 3:02:33 GMT
Maybe that was because they injected the lyrium and Valta didn’t? Maybe the titans don’t approve of it. I wouldnt if it was my ‘blood’. lol And I didn’t mean that elves lived there, just that they were trapped when Solas separated the fade. They were starving and had to eat lyrium to survive, or so the codex implies. Ancient elven miners perhaps, bringing lyrium to the surface? Valta does state (after her awakening) that Isana/lyrium is a gift of the Titans to them. If Sha-Brytol did something for the Titan to disapprove it probably wasn't it. They may simply not have been the type of dwarf the Titan is particularly fond of. And if elves indeed were there, I don't think it's as simple as 'they probably were trapped when organizing lyrium shipment'. The thaig is noted to be very different, with stuff there being created by magic - and it also was different to what we saw in Trespasser. There was a style change between titles, but it wasn't drastic enough for them to be unable to visually represent it or even note that anywhere in codices or dialogue. Similarly, nothing has been mentioned in Trespasser that would suggest any similarity and Varric would definitely have something to say in that regard. Whoever lived there was different to what we know now, in one way or another. Perhaps the Scaled Ones?
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 22, 2020 4:06:28 GMT
We have very little information about the Scaled Ones (and whether they were always like this or something else before) it's hard to rule that out at this point in time, but I somehow doubt it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 22, 2020 6:00:03 GMT
We have very little information about the Scaled Ones (and whether they were always like this or something else before) it's hard to rule that out at this point in time, but I somehow doubt it. I don’t think that’s likely either. I was just thinking of other races we know lived underground.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 22, 2020 6:08:28 GMT
We have very little information about the Scaled Ones (and whether they were always like this or something else before) it's hard to rule that out at this point in time, but I somehow doubt it. I don’t think that’s likely either. I was just thinking of other races we know lived underground. Well, we also know about this weird encounter of one of Renn's people (one about hairless children chasing nugs, golden longboat and huge skeleton on a throne), we still don't know whether Sandal is just lyrium-addled, we now know of activity of elves in Deep Roads as well as the whole 'dwarves can't be taller without the Titan' (OGB comment) and were probably significantly different when they were still closely connected (Valta's journal makes mention of her changing). There are also these ominous statues that we see both in Primeval Thaig and then Heidrun Thaig - and one of them shows up in the Fade in DAI and is called "Dumat's Claws", which I suspect may be connected to something dark and primordial.
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Post by gyena on Feb 22, 2020 7:15:29 GMT
I don’t think that’s likely either. I was just thinking of other races we know lived underground. Well, we also know about this weird encounter of one of Renn's people (one about hairless children chasing nugs, golden longboat and huge skeleton on a throne), we still don't know whether Sandal is just lyrium-addled, we now know of activity of elves in Deep Roads as well as the whole 'dwarves can't be taller without the Titan' (OGB comment) and were probably significantly different when they were still closely connected (Valta's journal makes mention of her changing). There are also these ominous statues that we see both in Primeval Thaig and then Heidrun Thaig - and one of them shows up in the Fade in DAI and is called "Dumat's Claws", which I suspect may be connected to something dark and primordial. The only thing this calls to mind are the journals you find during the Decent dlc, and the creatures that attacked the dwarves there. As for the thaig, two of them are mentioned as existing before the blight. One belonged to a family who were the sole suppliers of lyrium that just shut their doors and vanished. The other being the one you mentioned, containing temples and large statues as well as creatures never seen before. To me it sounds like the Decent as well and the area surrounding the titans heart or close to it (there were no darkspawn where he found the idol and the idol itself was of dwarven make). I dont take the line about things only magic could have made too literally. The dwarves don’t remember being connected to the titans and theres no telling what magic like things they could create back then. Any ‘modern’ dwarf would attribute fantastical things to actual magic. I don’t rule out that it could have been something else though. It’s fun to think about.
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