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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 10, 2020 8:43:03 GMT
Also note that the Arlathan Forest was sacred to Andruil. The city that Tevinter conquered was in Arlathan Forest, so its inhabitants would have been loyal to Andruil and the other Evanuris. Also their priesthood would likely have promoted an entirely benign image, particularly of Andruil and Ghilan'nain, whilst keeping them in the dark about Andruil's madness and Ghilan'nain's more sinister activities. The Dalish are descended from the elves enslaved by Tevinter, so it is hardly surprising that their legends portray the Creators in a positive light, Fen'Harel as the great betrayer and there is no mention of the murder of Mythal, which probably occurred late in the day and was hushed up if the priesthood up here even knew about it.
By contrast, the priesthood of Mythal were only to aware of many of these things because their goddess was involved in them. However, even they didn't know about the sinister laboratories beneath the earth because Ghilan'nain was careful to keep them hidden from prying eyes, although their legend does mention how she created monsters for Andruil to hunt that were in the end so troublesome that the other gods brokered a deal with her to destroy them in return for being raised to godhood. I do wonder, though, if Ghilan'nain really stopped her experiments at that point or whether she carried on in secret, known perhaps to certain allies, such as Andruil and Dirthamen, the god of secrets, whose magic of concealment may have been needed to keep them hidden from the other gods.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 10, 2020 14:48:00 GMT
There is definitely some meaty stuff in Tevinter Nights! Obviously, the Solas stuff was most interesting to me, but the little nuggets of information about a lot of things were really great. Also Ghillain'nain as author of Lovecraftian monsters was terrifying. So she isn't just the Deer Lady?
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 10, 2020 15:08:59 GMT
There is definitely some meaty stuff in Tevinter Nights! Obviously, the Solas stuff was most interesting to me, but the little nuggets of information about a lot of things were really great. Also Ghillain'nain as author of Lovecraftian monsters was terrifying. So she isn't just the Deer Lady? What's in the book only confirms the stuff we have found in Trespasser, and that stuff already made her seem like Dr Frankenstein on steroids...
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Post by Julilla on Jun 10, 2020 17:57:07 GMT
There is definitely some meaty stuff in Tevinter Nights! Obviously, the Solas stuff was most interesting to me, but the little nuggets of information about a lot of things were really great. Also Ghillain'nain as author of Lovecraftian monsters was terrifying. So she isn't just the Deer Lady? She's the Evanuri version of Dr Moreau, basically.
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Post by wildenight on Jun 11, 2020 3:51:53 GMT
So she isn't just the Deer Lady? She's the Evanuri version of Dr Moreau, basically. Hm. Or the Forsaken known as Aginor in the Wheel of Time. Interesting. Now I wanna fight creepy genetic abominations.
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Post by Shari'El on Jun 11, 2020 17:04:47 GMT
I'm not sure if it's been talked over already (I can't read 382 pages of discussion), but I pointed out something to my boyfriend and he thought I was unto something. All depictions of Solas by himself, as a wolf, is of a scaled wolf with multiple eyes, because we see it from the side we can't really tell how many eye he has, but assuming he is symmetrical, it's at least 6, and there could easily be another eye in the middle. Solas mural #1: The eyes were important enough to even be included as squiggles in another mural: I'm sure many can see the resemblance to Pride demons: I also can't ignore the pinkish lines going through the vallaslin mural, I thought they were cracks at first, now they seem intentional - remind me of the electricity that goes through the bodies of pride demons... Could be mountains, too, I suppose. Though I can't think of a reason there'll be mountains drawn in pink lines in the background of this mural. However, when looking at depictions of OTHER people of Solas/Fen'Harel they tend to portray him quite differently. He just looks like a regular wolf in these. Lastly, it seems his most recent mural has a very sinister depiction of himself: I'm saying this is his because that is very much his style, starting from the way he paints his elf form to the orbs surrounding the red lyrium idol. Spoiler from Tevinter Nights: From what I gathered from "Genitivi Dies In The End", Solas (which means Pride) is not his real name, either.
“Fen'Harel,” she lectured, “is a name given by enemies. Its translation, ‘Dread Wolf,’ isn’t true.” She turned, considering one of the tomes now piled on the slab. “The name given when he lied to us— and to your Inquisition— was chosen by a self- styled martyr. ‘Solas’ is also not true.”
I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with it, but I do feel there is a deeper meaning to the way he depicts himself and I think these depictions can tell us more about his state of mind and his inner conflicts. The latest mural to come out is very upsetting when looked at in that manner, what I see in that wolf is a person who sees himself as a monster. Tevinter Nights spoilers: In "The Dread Wolf Take You" Solas appears in front of the Mortalitasi in his scaled wolf form with "too many eyes" (much like the Regret demon in "Callback"), but seeing that all of his depictions by others up until now were of normal wolves with just one set of eyes, I feel like this might be a new thing for him. I mean, even the Dalish, who saw Fen'Harel as a villain, have statues of him that still show him as just a boring old wolf! If anyone has any ideas what these could mean, I'd love to hear (Also, I really despise how it seems like the red lyrium has already corrupted him, the eyes of the wolf are red and the elf has a red aura.)
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2020 17:42:50 GMT
I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with it, but I do feel there is a deeper meaning to the way he depicts himself and I think these depictions can tell us more about his state of mind and his inner conflicts. The latest mural to come out is very upsetting when looked at in that manner, what I see in that wolf is a person who sees himself as a monster. He does say to Lavellan that he would not have them see what he becomes. He also admits that you do not fight "gods" without getting your hands bloody. He has regrets about the past and probably about the future too but feels he has not choice but to continue on his path, becoming monstrous in the eyes of all in doing so. In that most recent mural in the trailer, though, it seems to me that he is trying to defy the monster wolf and hold it back, so it probably does reflect his inner conflict. I'd also repeat the fact that ancient elves seemed to change their name with their job description, much as the Qunari do. Abelas did not always have that name; in fact it would seem he had at least two previous names, one before he entered Mythal's service and another after, before changing it again on her death to reflect the emotion he felt. So it would not surprise me to learn that Solas may have had another name before he became Solas. You see, I don't think he ever said "I was always Solas" but "I was Solas first" before taking the title Fen'Harel, which means there could easily have been another name before Solas. I'm just not sure how important knowing that would be.
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Post by Julilla on Jun 11, 2020 19:14:30 GMT
The name is important, I think, because it might be someone we already have heard of? As for the depictions, they are interesting. I've just assumed that the pure wolf form is him before the rebellion, and the "demon?" wolf is after.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2020 20:32:58 GMT
As for the depictions, they are interesting. I've just assumed that the pure wolf form is him before the rebellion, and the "demon?" wolf is after Which begs the question, why was he known as a wolf? It is true that the statues in Mythal's Temple and in the Deep Roads as her companion, show just an ordinary wolf, as do the mosaic pictures. Wolves are known for their loyalty to the pack to which they belong and in particular their leaders, which is why I wondered if wolves were the symbol of the arcane warrior bodyguards to the nobility. In which case he might always have been thought of as "Fen", the "Harel" only being added after he rebelled. Yet, if he was only a bodyguard and not yet regarded as a "god", why was he even depicted at all? So it would seem as though his relationship to Mythal must have been similar to that of Ghilan'nain to Anduril; originally he was just a favoured follower but subsequently raised in status for some reason.
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Post by Shari'El on Jun 11, 2020 23:21:10 GMT
Another thing regarding the mural in the teaser, there are 7 orbs around the idol, there are also 7 orbs here: I had a theory when Trespasser came out that these orbs are the Old Gods / Forgotten Ones / Archdemons and that they are gate keepers of some sorts of something bad and that when all archdemons fall, then this something bad will be on the loose. In the teaser mural you can see only 2 orbs are still lit, which coincides with how many archdemons are still alive. In "The World of Thedas" vol 2 there is a report from someone by name Kardol, from Legion of the Dead, describing a large area that used to house an archdemon, a "prison" of sorts, with strong magics at work. We know that the blight is cleansed by blood, dragon blood being especially effective, so I can't help but wonder if, whoever the archdemons are, they were placed there on purpose, to stop whatever's there (in the Void? Abyss?) from breaking out. Add to all of that Solas' hatred of Grey Wardens and his unexplained sense of urgency (he doesn't age, he could've waited to gain his powers back but instead felt it's imperative to take action now), and the conclusion I come up to is that Solas deemed it's necessary to change Thedas irreparably in order to avoid its' total destruction. Another interesting tidbit is how the orbs circle the idol, from the left, while the .. dread wolf? is on the right, his head slightly inside the circle.. I thought perhaps it is to say that the idol came from the same place as what's in the middle of the Trespasser mural, but I'm not sure anymore. I now can't help but see the similarities between the peacock feathers and this demonish wolf, it's tongue is out, it hungers. Meanwhile, Solas' arm is outreached, motioning "stop". The same demonish wolf is in his non-romanced endgame tarot card and I've always found it quite interesting how it seems to stalk Solas, mouth agape, as if about to swallow him whole. It could very easily be his regrets (or something else), haunting him in the image of a sinister wolf, but I also had the thought... (Tevinter Nights spoilers): Going by "Callback", it seems like the wolf in the unfinished fresco is Solas. Once it was filled with colour and became Regret it looked like a scaled wolf, which is very like the self-portrait he drew. This then made me think, why would his own portrayal of himself change so drastically, so quickly? This isn't just red malicious eyes, the wolf is made of shadows and it "frays" at the edges (at least in the tarot card). It could also be "his reason" to try to remove the veil, which is why it's looming over him in the card (his reason for betrayal) and also at the other end of the circle. At this point I just can't help but see this. (Best photoshop, 11/10, 5.5 stars.) Of course, that wolf can be just Solas fighting himself, it doesn't really meddle with my theory, I just found it interesting So my current theory is that a part of this thing was brought to the Golden City, tainting it and its' residents. When the Magisters stepped into the Golden City (they were beckoned there, perhaps as a ploy), it was already black, something escaped with them and that something is now working hard to try and eliminate all of the guardian dragons, sending enough darkspawn until they are tainted and released from their prisons. Once the Grey Wardens kill them all, whatever that thing is will get out and will destroy the world.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 12, 2020 9:51:11 GMT
When the Magisters stepped into the Golden City (they were beckoned there, perhaps as a ploy), it was already black,
This seems a given at this point. Corypheus didn't lie. When Hawke first revived him and in his own memories he states that the city was already black when they got there. Also in front of Hawke he complains "It was meant to be golden," as though someone had promised him this. Now he was rather confused after so long asleep, so his memories could have been muddled, but it seems odd he should say "meant" as though he had never witnessed this himself. Surely until the Magisters entered the city it would have appeared golden in the Fade? Otherwise, if it had always appeared to be black in the Fade, finding it that way when they got there would not have been such a surprise. Yet, if it was golden then that must have been an illusion that was broken by them actually entering the place, which simultaneously seemed to break the seal of whatever was containing the Darkness within it.
Now I seem to recall that the Fade reflects what is found in the real world. So when they attempted entry into the Fade city, it is possible this simply re-directed them to its corresponding twin in the real world, which is why they ended up deep underground. Seeing as most ancient elven structures spanned both realms, this was a distinct possibility. When we entered then interior of the Titan in the Descent I was immediately reminded of the descriptions of Arlathan. So it is likely that the real Arlathan/Golden City was constructed by Mythal (famed for her cities and known to have operated in the Deep Roads) out of the interior of a titan. The Veil had prevented the spread of the corruption outside of the underground city, which is why the reflection in the Fade was still golden because in the minds of all who had previously witnessed it there it was golden, but when the Magisters entered it, the reflection in the Fade changed to match their discovery and also allowed the Darkness to escape its confines.
According to the Canticle of Silence, which was Hessarian propaganda but may nevertheless had an element of truth to it, Corypheus was invited to the city by his god, Dumat. The Grey Wardens have also always insisted that it was Dumat who was behind the venture. If this is true, then it would suggest that he wanted to be freed from his prison and knew that breaking into the city was going to be the first step to achieving this. Of course it is possible that Dumat was unaware of the presence of the Darkness within the city and merely sought a means of escape.
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Post by Shari'El on Jun 12, 2020 10:24:59 GMT
According to the Canticle of Silence, which was Hessarian propaganda but may nevertheless had an element of truth to it, Corypheus was invited to the city by his god, Dumat. The Grey Wardens have also always insisted that it was Dumat who was behind the venture. If this is true, then it would suggest that he wanted to be freed from his prison and knew that breaking into the city was going to be the first step to achieving this. Of course it is possible that Dumat was unaware of the presence of the Darkness within the city and merely sought a means of escape. They can insist all they want, but they have no proof of it, no proof Dumat really existed, he talked to them through the fade after all. If the blighted being was already there before humans came, it could easily masquerade as seven gods in an attempt to open its' seven locks, is what I'm trying to say. The magic at work inside an archdemon's prison was there to keep them under (the dwarves that happened on the place felt numb and dizzy), if they were truly the Old Gods I would assume they would've asked the magisters to come underground and dispel what's holding them in place. Instead they told them to breach the city and then they suddenly stopped communicating with the magister, long before they all got corrupted.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2020 11:47:02 GMT
According to the Canticle of Silence, which was Hessarian propaganda but may nevertheless had an element of truth to it, Corypheus was invited to the city by his god, Dumat. The Grey Wardens have also always insisted that it was Dumat who was behind the venture. If this is true, then it would suggest that he wanted to be freed from his prison and knew that breaking into the city was going to be the first step to achieving this. Of course it is possible that Dumat was unaware of the presence of the Darkness within the city and merely sought a means of escape. They can insist all they want, but they have no proof of it, no proof Dumat really existed, he talked to them through the fade after all. If the blighted being was already there before humans came, it could easily masquerade as seven gods in an attempt to open its' seven locks, is what I'm trying to say. The magic at work inside an archdemon's prison was there to keep them under (the dwarves that happened on the place felt numb and dizzy), if they were truly the Old Gods I would assume they would've asked the magisters to come underground and dispel what's holding them in place. Instead they told them to breach the city and then they suddenly stopped communicating with the magister, long before they all got corrupted. Why assume so? Even in world of today we understand that to release someone one doesn't necessarily have to go directly to where they are (a prison with electronic locks may need to have a remote computer controlling them hacked or destroyed, for example). There have been no specific rules established for how one unleashes the Old Gods from their underground prisons (we don't even know what they are and who has imprisoned them) and there's no rule whatsoever saying that one always has to release someone/something from their prison by travelling directly to it. The one rule that seems to exist so far is that the Old Gods turn into Archdemon after contact with the darkspawn (at least post-Black City trip) - but the Magisters weren't darkspawn back then. So why venture to the Deep Roads when the darkspawn can claw their way into their prisons if called hard enough... but perhaps something else ELSEWHERE has to be done in order to give the Old Gods enough of a boost to unchain themselves? Just consider that the opening of the Breach seems to have loosened whatever bonds seem to hold/imprison/subdue the Titan under the Storm Coast - and that was a largely unrelated event. It wasn't meant to accomplish that, yet magical energies released from the opening of the Breach have affected the world enough to at least partially awaken the Titan (which then needed to connect with dwarves like Valta, and the suggestion I get so far is that Valta is effectively beckoned to the Titan and eventually would reach it herself, even without our help. We mostly get knowledge, friendship with Valta and potentially good relationship with Orzammar from that journey, but we weren't essential to BE there for the Titan to effectively get what it needed). If the Breach can do that, than I fail to see how turning Gold City into Black and unleashing whatever was there can't do the same to the Old Gods/whatever else, especially given how profoundly it has affected the world? I mean... the Darkspawn may have roamed the Deep Roads prior to the First Blight, but the Blights began threatening the whole world only after that fateful trip to the Gold/Black City. So the Magisters' DID indeed have done something that has allowed Old Gods (whatever they were) to be unleashed on the world, even if one at a time. So Dumat (or "Dumat") seems to have gotten what it wanted out of Magisters, even if Magisters themselves were basically duped into believing they're doing something else entirely (which it very much seems they were).
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Post by Shari'El on Jun 12, 2020 13:34:12 GMT
Why assume so? Even in world of today we understand that to release someone one doesn't necessarily have to go directly to where they are (a prison with electronic locks may need to have a remote computer controlling them hacked or destroyed, for example). There have been no specific rules established for how one unleashes the Old Gods from their underground prisons (we don't even know what they are and who has imprisoned them) and there's no rule whatsoever saying that one always has to release someone/something from their prison by travelling directly to it. The one rule that seems to exist so far is that the Old Gods turn into Archdemon after contact with the darkspawn (at least post-Black City trip) - but the Magisters weren't darkspawn back then. So why venture to the Deep Roads when the darkspawn can claw their way into their prisons if called hard enough... but perhaps something else ELSEWHERE has to be done in order to give the Old Gods enough of a boost to unchain themselves? ... Of course, I just assumed so in the context of what I was trying to say, is all In the archdemon prison there were dried-out darkspawn corpses, in praying poses, and other darkspawns wouldn't enter the prison area (even though they did before, when there was an archdemon there). So it's obvious they need to be ordered there, specifically, by a call strong enough to make them ignore all of their instincts. The process of turning takes time (judging from how infrequently blights occur), which also makes me ask why wouldn't they split the darkspawn powers and rise together to attack Thedas all at once? It probably would've taken a lot longer but that would've been a guaranteed victory for them. Also, I can't figure out how and why would the Old Gods find themselves imprisoned like that. If they were imprisoned because they were a threat, why not kill them? The archdemons were "killed" by non-GW, so they probably weren't impossibly strong (what made them such a world-ending threat is that after getting "killed" they'd possess a darkspawn), and that's in their boosted, tainted, state - so they were probably killable pre-blighted, too. That's why I tend to think that whatever darkness got released from the city, it was a part of something bigger, and that only after having a part of itself outside it managed to call the darkspawn to try to work on it's big jailbreak A lot of my theory is inspired by the murals, and even if it's the Old Gods that wanted to be released, I still find it suspicious there are only 2 lit orbs out of 7 in the latest mural painted by Solas. I know I'm going off based on a lot of assumptions, but at this point in time, with this amount of lore, that's the only thing I can do
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Post by Julilla on Jun 12, 2020 18:04:44 GMT
Could Solas be blighted right now? Is that the fear that seems to show in his murals? That's he's a ticking time bomb? Or perhaps that he knows he will need to use red lyrium to accomplish his goals and that it will corrupt him?
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Post by Iddy on Jun 17, 2020 11:59:17 GMT
People always get super upset when someone says Lavellan is a more fitting choice for the story than other Inquisitors, but it is true.
Inquisition is a game that mainly focuses on two things: Andrastian faith and elven lore. So the best choice is an Inquisitor who has a personal interest in one of the two.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 17, 2020 12:02:16 GMT
Could Solas be blighted right now? Is that the fear that seems to show in his murals? That's he's a ticking time bomb? Or perhaps that he knows he will need to use red lyrium to accomplish his goals and that it will corrupt him? A man living in a race against time. That's an interesting plot, but I doubt it is the case.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 17, 2020 12:32:03 GMT
Could Solas be blighted right now? Is that the fear that seems to show in his murals? That's he's a ticking time bomb? Or perhaps that he knows he will need to use red lyrium to accomplish his goals and that it will corrupt him?I find this hard to believe. His orb was not corrupted by red lyrium, although it did seem to take on the attributes of whoever possessed it at any particular time, so with Corypheus it glowed red, probably because he was channelling his blight magic through it, but after he lost it to the Inquisitor, it glowed green like the anchor. He made it quite clear that unlike blood magic, he considers blight magic beyond the pale: "The blight corrupts everything it touches. Those who believe themselves capable of using it safely are mad." Solas is not mad and if he uses blight magic to restore his world, how does he know it won't be corrupted by it? In fact I still believe that the reason he wants to allow the Fade to flow freely into the current world is to cleanse it of the blight. As for the red lyrium idol, I have been doing a lot of speculation about this on the Tevinter Nights thread. Suffice to say I don't think the idol is needed for restoring his world but what comes after, in other words his plans for dealing with the Evanuris.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jun 18, 2020 1:08:30 GMT
If there is a sense of necessary haste in Solas' actions, I don't think it's because he himself is already blighted. To me, these are more plausible reasons: - The red lyrium that has, at this point, been spread all over the place by the Venatori and others, is infecting more and more of the world with the Blight, and that would obviously be a Bad Thing in Solas' estimation, considering his views about the Blight. Remember, it can grow anywhere, and the Red Templars were seeding at least one place (Sahrnia Quarry) with it on purpose. (Not to mention the Behemoths sowed it everywhere we fought them!)
- We don't yet know how quickly the Quickening had an effect on the ancient Elves. Did they immediately start growing old and dying once the Veil was raised, or were the elves who were born pre-Veil immune to the Quickening and it was elves born afterwards that started showing signs of mortality? If the former, then perhaps now that he is out of uthenera, Solas is aging so he feels the keenness of time.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 20, 2020 17:43:55 GMT
Do you think Felassan's purple eyes are an ancient elf thing?
Or maybe elves in general have the potential to be born with that color. Or it's just him.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jun 20, 2020 18:57:15 GMT
Do you think Felassan's purple eyes are an ancient elf thing? Or maybe elves in general have the potential to be born with that color. Or it's just him. I don't think there's an answer to this, since in character creation, you can give characters of any species purple eyes.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2020 20:08:44 GMT
Do you think Felassan's purple eyes are an ancient elf thing? Or maybe elves in general have the potential to be born with that color. Or it's just him. I don't think there's an answer to this, since in character creation, you can give characters of any species purple eyes. Purple eyes do exist IRL, btw. Rarely but they do. Elizabeth Taylor famously had purple eyes, which (IRL at least) seem to be a mix of light grey color (grey eyes have the least amount of pigment) mixed up with color of blood vessels underneath. It's why sometimes Solas or Leliana or Josephine look like they have purple-ish eyes, as they share the same eye texture, which happens to be grey with slliiiiiighly reddish/purplish color right around pupils.
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Post by Solas on Jun 20, 2020 21:08:03 GMT
"Impossible" or striking eye colors are just a canonical elf thing, including modern elves.
"Most elves Duncan had known always possessed such eerie eyes—light greens and purples, impossible hues that somehow made them seem alien."
Aside from this reference and Felassan, there's also an elf in The Stolen Throne with purple eyes.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 20, 2020 21:31:12 GMT
Was listening to an old radio show circa 2014 when PW was discussing how Solas was developed and for some reason an idea popped into my head that I thought I would share. May be other people have thought of this before but I missed the discussion.
Okay, so probably because of the wolf guardian idea, the way he talks so warmly about the honour of the Arcane Warriors and the fact that Solas is shown at Mythal's side, I've always equated him in my mind as some sort of bodyguard protector. Then it occurred to me today that with that statue in the Deep Roads in Trespasser where we first get the idea he is her side-kick, he is positioned on her left. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. So then I thought about the fact that he is known as a trickster and then it hit me. May be he was like the left hand of the Divine, so not a bodyguard but her spymaster. That would actually make more sense because she hardly needs a bodyguard but she would need someone to find out what other people are doing behind her back and also do covert operations on her behalf when she doesn't want to appear to be acting openly or taking a particular side. It also would fit with him enjoying all the antics at the Orlesian Court, because he could play the game as well as anyone, and also why Briala so reminded Felassan of him (because that is what he was going to say before being cut off), because she not only wanted a better life for her people but she originally started as spymaster for the Empress of the ruling class that mistreated them.
It would certainly explain why he was regarded as a trickster and is portrayed as such even by Felassan. Even the folktale remembers a trickster warrior who fought against tyrants. What do you think?
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Post by Sifr on Jun 21, 2020 13:33:33 GMT
- We don't yet know how quickly the Quickening had an effect on the ancient Elves. Did they immediately start growing old and dying once the Veil was raised, or were the elves who were born pre-Veil immune to the Quickening and it was elves born afterwards that started showing signs of mortality? If the former, then perhaps now that he is out of uthenera, Solas is aging so he feels the keenness of time.
I think that all Elves were affected after the Veil came down, as Solas seems to suggest it completely severed them from whatever it was in the Fade that was responsible for maintaining their immortality.
The prime evidence supporting them all being mortal would be Abelas.
If you drink from the Well you are able to translate the mysterious codex entries from the Temple that are written (seemingly) by him, which laments how the younger Sentinels do not remember things as they were before or when the Creators would walk among them, implying that he comes from before the Veil.
However Abelas tells us that he and the other Sentinels only ever awaken from Uthenera to defend the temple, before returning to their slumber, suggesting that rather than immortality is the only reason any of them have survived until the modern day.
If any Ancient Elves from before the Veil still possessed their immortality, you'd expect to hear about those who opted to take the slow path through the centuries to maintain their vigil while the others slept. You'd also expect to find the Temple in a much better state than an overgrown ruin, if there had been anyone around who could have maintained and repaired the place over the years.
(On a slight tangent, isn't it weird to think that the elderly "Librarian" Sentinel could actually be younger than Abelas, but due to spending more time out of Uthenera, might have ended up appearing decades his senior?)
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