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Post by Garnet on Aug 31, 2016 22:33:09 GMT
ellawyn It was just for fun. I don't really put much faith into it either.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 31, 2016 22:34:11 GMT
Garnet : I remember someone posting it on my birthday last year, and since then I always wanted it to be a part of my posts but didn't want to change my avatar. Can't say for certain that it is permanent, but at the moment I find it way too funny to not have. Edit* Damn, I should have quoted you so people would not think that I am imagining you talking to me...
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Post by Elessara on Aug 31, 2016 22:36:05 GMT
But... WE learned Arcane Warrior stuff from rubble in the woods. I don't think my Cousland happened to read and speak Ancient Elvhen and had a whole training montage with that jewel off screen. I thought there was a Knight Enchanter trainer... In DAO the Arcane Warrior specialization was learned from a soul/spirit of an elf trapped in a jewel/phylactery type thing in some ancient elven ruins in the woods. In DAI there's the Knight Enchanter trainer and Vivienne of all people is a Knight Enchanter. I have a hard time finding a connection between the two specs but supposedly they're the same.
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Post by Elessara on Aug 31, 2016 22:37:15 GMT
Garnet : I remember someone posting it on my birthday last year, and since then I always wanted it to be a part of my posts but didn't want to change my avatar. Can't say for certain that it is permanent, but at the moment I find it way to funny to not have. Edit* Damn, I should have quoted you so people would not think that I am imagining you talking to me... A pole dancing bunny .... I don't even know what to think about that. It's both hilarious and mildly disturbing at the same time.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 31, 2016 22:40:03 GMT
Elessara : That's basically what I said when I saw it the first time too! If you all are the least bit annoyed by the size of it you have only to tell me and I will try to resize it.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 31, 2016 22:42:13 GMT
There's nothing stopping a person to be a 'cold' rationalist and a person full of feelings - I know something about it, as I am such a person. And yes, while I have my reservations about Meyers-Briggs test, I always end up being INTP type And no, I don't think Solas "fakes" his cold, calculating side - he simply has one that is tempered by his passionate side and vice versa and also one that comes at the front when he's guarded or has to operate under a lot of stress. In that regard he's like most scientists are - they're driven by passions and curiosity, but at the same time they've enough discipline and ability to look at things form the distance to detach himself form his biases and emotions. Critical thinking, yo. It is a thing that CAN be trained (or at the very least improved on) too. Speaking from personal experience here. I had a long response for this, but my computer ate it, so I'm just going to say that I disagree, and believe that everything Solas does has a strong emotion and motivation attached to it regardless of his outer facade, and leave it at that. Having strong emotions and motivations doesn't rule out being rational and logical, nor makes it "fake". Claiming so is a false dichotomy. Basically, it's a question about balance - we all have capacity to be both uncaring and very passionate. The main difference between people is what they care or don't care about. And Solas cares so much for truth and for bringing what he thinks he stole from the world to the people so much, that he's willing to take his cold, logical side to the extreme. That's his REAL problem - through his crappy life experience and aeons in the Fade he became a master of reining his emotions so much, that it threatens to really turn him into a cold, calculating bastard with no mercy, same way hardened Leliana is.
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Post by Elessara on Aug 31, 2016 22:42:23 GMT
In DAO the Arcane Warrior specialization was learned from a soul/spirit of an elf trapped in a jewel/phylactery type thing in some ancient elven ruins in the woods. In DAI there's the Knight Enchanter trainer and Vivienne of all people is a Knight Enchanter. I have a hard time finding a connection between the two specs but supposedly they're the same. Ok. I completely forgot about the thing in DAO. Maybe Cillian found one of those thinggies OR maybe the Solas squad taught him the ropes. We'll have to wait and see. Sadly enough, I just know in the next game I'm going to be giving any elf I meet a sideways look because maybe ... just maybe ... they're a spy for Solas. Or the qunari. And that kind of sucks. Actually you know what? I'm just not going to trust anyone. Not even myself. My own character might be a spy!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 22:53:08 GMT
Ooo. This helps clarify my Solas-pride-wisdom-recipe for trouble thing. Someone who is prideful may feel that they are wise when in fact they are ignorant. Sounds like Solas...you know how he was so sure that the modern Thedosians were non-person gremlins and that letting Cory unlock his orb is a great idea... I dunno. I'm just rambling now. Don't mind my low blood sugar. I love your inquisitor's glasses, btw. She looks super cute.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 31, 2016 23:13:55 GMT
midnight tea The differences between Thinkers and Feelers aren't always big differences. If I was more of a thinker than a feeler, I wouldn't approve of wasting time finding a stolen wedding ring, or taking flowers to a grave for an old man. I would let the other healers help the fallen refugee at the crossroads when you first fight the Templars and Mages. Or feeding people by hunting rams, or finding caches of supplies. The resources of the Inquisition could be used more efficiently than sending the Herald out to do all these things. All of these things gain his approval. So to me I see a more feeling personality, than a thinker. Hmmm... so you say that there are no big differences, yet according to you, those who are more 'thinkers than feelers' would consider acts of kindness a waste of time? It's not just a huge difference, it's an extreme one. And one I find not exactly fair. It'd also mean - since we're talking in a context of MBTI tests - that I would also consider those things a waste of time, considering I'm more a thinker than feeler. I don't. Being typed as more of a 'thinker' does nothing to change the fact that I'm a terrible sap and an empath. It's how these emotions are approached or addressed or the context of it all is what makes a difference. And Solas is NOT a person to frequently show or indulge much in his emotions - he's a man of deeds and, if need be, he'd be cold and ruthless about it. Even Patrick Weekes basically stated outright that Solas approves of intelligence and will, at times at least, approve of things that are quite ruthless, but beneficial in the long run.... I mean, if it wasn't the case, we wouldn't have the whole "I will end this world if need be" thing in the first place And that's entirely true of Solas if you look into what and when he approves of stuff. While it obviously matters for him to simply help, it's hardly a wasted effort for him. Especially if - like Solas - you believe that acts of kindness like it and the way you treat people have a palpable effect on the world (remember his banter with Cassandra about breeding hunger and bad emotions? Obviously this is a counter to that). And when, for example, we complete all the quests for refugees Solas is first to point out that it's a major PR boost for Inquisition not just in the region, but for a positive reception of Inquisition among the common folk of Thedas. In other words, this isn't as black-and-white as Solas is either 'more logical or 'more emotional'. He is naturally a mix of both, but because of his time in the Fade his cold, calculating and logical side is one that has taken the front seat.
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Post by Solas on Aug 31, 2016 23:37:12 GMT
I love this thread enjoyed coming back to read a neat discussion for a couple pages about MBTI and Solas' personality. prior to release I guessed INTP (we had very little info). I think now INFP... I think. too sleepy to type up a why now tho
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Post by illyria on Aug 31, 2016 23:56:58 GMT
I trust two out of three of these men with my life.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 31, 2016 23:58:17 GMT
I'm assuming one of them is Solas, but who is the other one illyria?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 0:00:40 GMT
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Post by illyria on Sept 1, 2016 0:00:45 GMT
I'm assuming one of them is Solas, but who is the other one illyria ? First Enchanter Orsino! #orisnodidnothingwrong
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Post by illyria on Sept 1, 2016 0:01:31 GMT
I love this thread enjoyed coming back to read a neat discussion for a couple pages about MBTI and Solas' personality. prior to release I guessed INTP (we had very little info). I think now INFP... I think. too sleepy to type up a why now tho Go to bed, threadad.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 1, 2016 0:05:42 GMT
I'm assuming one of them is Solas, but who is the other one illyria ? First Enchanter Orsino! #orisnodidnothingwrong Oh... well, I liked him up until the point where it was revealed that he knew what Quentin was doing and turned into a harvester even though I was totally kicking the templars little asses... #WellShit
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 1, 2016 0:11:51 GMT
ellawyn It was just for fun. I don't really put much faith into it either. Ugh, sorry, but these things just irk me. When people insist on reducing others to a few traits and putting them into boxes - which is literally what all personality quiz things are about. It's made even worse when the boxes have no real meaning themselves and people just read whatever they want into them. Like those descriptions are designed to be undetailed and universally applicable. Arguing about what "type" someone is, to me, like arguing if a zebra's black with white stripes or white with black stripes. I trust two out of three of these men with my life. Illyria I never knew you liked Zathrian so much. I assume Zathrian is the one who don't trust.
Also Orsino deserved better.
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Post by illyria on Sept 1, 2016 0:13:41 GMT
First Enchanter Orsino! #orisnodidnothingwrong Oh... well, I liked him up until the point where it was revealed that he knew what Quentin was doing and turned into a harvester even though I was totally kicking the templars little asses... #WellShit The boss fight was added in because high ups wanted a fight there. Orsino never should've been fought on the mage path (and since you only get disapproval for questioning Varric about Orsino and it's confirmed in DAI he lied about a bunch of things I think that was made up). Also, he new Quentin was experimenting, but not how far he'd gone. He thought it was hypothetical. World of Thedas 2 gives a ton of context and backstory for Orsino, including that he'd spent years doing what he could to protect mages. He was a good man, and didn't deserve what happened to him.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 1, 2016 0:15:29 GMT
illyria: Because I really want to like him I'm going to go with what you said and make it my new headcanon!
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Post by Theneras on Sept 1, 2016 0:28:17 GMT
I found this rather interesting. It's a comparison of INTJ, INFP and INTP. personality-types.careertrends.com/compare/4-7-8/INTJ-vs-INFP-vs-INTPAnyway, one of the things about Solas is, we all can perceive different things about him based on our own play throughs, so we could all make our own case for his personality. I've have to take this dumb test for a lot of my classes, and every time I end up with INFP. I have tried to make it different but it has never worked. As much as I think I'm a thinker, I'm a feeler.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 1, 2016 0:44:03 GMT
I found this rather interesting. It's a comparison of INTJ, INFP and INTP. personality-types.careertrends.com/compare/4-7-8/INTJ-vs-INFP-vs-INTPAnyway, one of the things about Solas is, we all can perceive different things about him based on our own play throughs, so we could all make our own case for his personality. I've have to take this dumb test for a lot of my classes, and every time I end up with INFP. I have tried to make it different but it has never worked. As much as I think I'm a thinker, I'm a feeler. Sorry but I was just looking that link over and... Yeah no way in hell he's an INTJ
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Post by Elessara on Sept 1, 2016 0:44:04 GMT
Oh... well, I liked him up until the point where it was revealed that he knew what Quentin was doing and turned into a harvester even though I was totally kicking the templars little asses... #WellShit The boss fight was added in because high ups wanted a fight there. Orsino never should've been fought on the mage path (and since you only get disapproval for questioning Varric about Orsino and it's confirmed in DAI he lied about a bunch of things I think that was made up). Also, he new Quentin was experimenting, but not how far he'd gone. He thought it was hypothetical. World of Thedas 2 gives a ton of context and backstory for Orsino, including that he'd spent years doing what he could to protect mages. He was a good man, and didn't deserve what happened to him. Ugh! That's so stupid. The game didn't NEED another boss fight, it NEEDED a coherent story. Making Orsino go all, "WE'RE ALL DOOMED ... RAAAAARRRR" was just a huge wtf moment.
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Post by Elessara on Sept 1, 2016 1:23:43 GMT
I found this rather interesting. It's a comparison of INTJ, INFP and INTP. personality-types.careertrends.com/compare/4-7-8/INTJ-vs-INFP-vs-INTPAnyway, one of the things about Solas is, we all can perceive different things about him based on our own play throughs, so we could all make our own case for his personality. I've have to take this dumb test for a lot of my classes, and every time I end up with INFP. I have tried to make it different but it has never worked. As much as I think I'm a thinker, I'm a feeler. Sorry but I was just looking that link over and... Yeah no way in hell he's an INTJ Wait ... are you saying that telling someone they're beautiful and unique and that you wanted to show them how much they mean to you and then kissing them and seconds after all of that ending the relationship is NOT the right time? Well I guess I've been doing it all wrong then.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 1, 2016 1:32:03 GMT
Sorry but I was just looking that link over and... Yeah no way in hell he's an INTJ Wait ... are you saying that telling someone they're beautiful and unique and that you wanted to show them how much they mean to you and then kissing them and seconds after all of that ending the relationship is NOT the right time? Well I guess I've been doing it all wrong then. No, no, you gotta wait until a murderous god-pretender is looming over you and the fate of the world rests in your SO's hands. THAT'S when you break it off with them. Gotta maximize the chance of destabilizing them at their most crucial moment. See, that's where Solas screwed up! He didn't just shout "Vhenan I'm breaking up with you" in the middle of the fight with Corypheus. He went too early, dammit!
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