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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 26, 2016 6:22:38 GMT
Can't breathe. Dying of... laughter xD
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Post by Amburu on Oct 26, 2016 11:16:48 GMT
I mean, look at these screenshots: Art reeeeefs :vibrates: I'm trying to go back to playing the game but i cant, i'm stuck on my chaiirrr, can't launch da:i ngjkzemgqehrmsjhr so instead i keep writing fanfiction, drenched with the solas tears ;-; I'll post the link when i've got a satisfying amount done if you're interested
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2016 13:55:09 GMT
Okay, here's a question about a bit of trivia that has been niggling at me. Who do you suppose carved the big wolf statue that is on top of the mountain overlooking the Exalted Plain?
The Dalish were only in the Dales for roughly 250 years. Only enough time to get themselves established in the basics, let alone climb up that mountain and start carving an enormous statue. You have to get your priorities right.
So ancient elves then. Who exactly? Not Fen'Harel's followers since they were on the run and anyway surely he wouldn't approve of such glorification. Not the followers of the other gods because he wasn't that popular with them. If it was Mythal's followers, then where is Mythal? The big hand was a relic of an ancient statue but I always assumed it was that giant statue of Elgar'nan that the memory in the Library recalls. Was there a corresponding statue to Mythal that the memory conveniently forgot to recall? If there were other statues, why does only the statue to the wolf remain? You'd think that would be the first thing that the followers of the other Evanuris would destroy.
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Post by NightSymphony on Oct 26, 2016 14:17:58 GMT
*giggles* That Corypheus drawing almost made me spit out my coffee.
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Post by Auirel on Oct 26, 2016 14:35:58 GMT
Okay, here's a question about a bit of trivia that has been niggling at me. Who do you suppose carved the big wolf statue that is on top of the mountain overlooking the Exalted Plain? The Dalish were only in the Dales for roughly 250 years. Only enough time to get themselves established in the basics, let alone climb up that mountain and start carving an enormous statue. You have to get your priorities right. So ancient elves then. Who exactly? Not Fen'Harel's followers since they were on the run and anyway surely he wouldn't approve of such glorification. Not the followers of the other gods because he wasn't that popular with them. If it was Mythal's followers, then where is Mythal? The big hand was a relic of an ancient statue but I always assumed it was that giant statue of Elgar'nan that the memory in the Library recalls. Was there a corresponding statue to Mythal that the memory conveniently forgot to recall? If there were other statues, why does only the statue to the wolf remain? You'd think that would be the first thing that the followers of the other Evanuris would destroy. It is fairly safe to assume that the statue was constructed by ancient elves because there is another statue of similar size in the Emprise Du Lion at Suledin Keep, the keep being built atop an ancient elven ruin. There is a codex entry for a landmark in the Exalted Plains about the ruined arches you pass throughout the map. "The half-buried wall of arches made for a unique camping spot. My guide informed me that it was once part of an ancient elven arena, although nothing in the histories I read mentioned anything of the sort on the plains. He also insisted on clambering up to the top of the blasted ruins, after swearing he had seen a royal elfroot plant growing out of a crevice. — From A Journey through the Dales by Lord Horace Medford, "Adventurer"So we're possibly looking at an arena or at the very least some sort of large structure, and with the other elven ruins dotted around the landscape, the Exalted Plains could have once been an elven city. I think there's a good chance of there once being other statues around, watching over the city/arena. Maybe (I have zero evidence for this) Fen'Harel's statue is the only that remains is because it was designed to be the least impressive, a mockery. It was made of simply rock. The other statues of the Evanuris could have been incredible constructs powered by the Fade to move or light up with colour or do a thousand other things. Put beside all the elaborate and impressive statues of the Evanuris, the Dread Wolf would look quite insignificant and poor. They would have all collapsed into pieces because the Fade was all that was holding them together. Eventually they were all covered by the passing of time.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 26, 2016 15:10:10 GMT
Okay, here's a question about a bit of trivia that has been niggling at me. Who do you suppose carved the big wolf statue that is on top of the mountain overlooking the Exalted Plain? The Dalish were only in the Dales for roughly 250 years. Only enough time to get themselves established in the basics, let alone climb up that mountain and start carving an enormous statue. You have to get your priorities right. So ancient elves then. Who exactly? Not Fen'Harel's followers since they were on the run and anyway surely he wouldn't approve of such glorification. Not the followers of the other gods because he wasn't that popular with them. If it was Mythal's followers, then where is Mythal? The big hand was a relic of an ancient statue but I always assumed it was that giant statue of Elgar'nan that the memory in the Library recalls. Was there a corresponding statue to Mythal that the memory conveniently forgot to recall? If there were other statues, why does only the statue to the wolf remain? You'd think that would be the first thing that the followers of the other Evanuris would destroy. I always spare at least a moment to stare up at that statue and wonder. The thing about these wolf statues in DA is that they seldom seem to end up being connected to Fen'Harel. You encounter dozens of the things, in assorted sizes, throughout the game. Generally, they end up being attributed generically to "elves", connected to others of the Evanuris (this always annoys me mildly), or the like. Oddly, It's rare that you find a wolf statue that is actually connected to Fen'Harel. I think I can count them on one hand. That being the case, I never connected this statue with the Dread Wolf. Based upon the fact that we are standing in the Dales, I assumed the great wolf was supposed to be the work of the elves of Halamshiral/the Dales. The Emerald Knights fought alongside wolf companions. What better way to remind the humans that they're straying too near your borders, and the blades of the Emerald Knights, than to place a big ass wolf atop a mountain? (That, and they seem to have placed wolf statues everywhere they went. Only the occasional owl seems to have broken the theme outside of specific temples.) I don't think the wolf atop the mountain is connected to Fen'Harel. It might be cool if it were. I think the level designers just thought it would be an interesting touch to put a giant wolf statue atop a distant peak. That doesn't mean some lore won't spring up around it, though. Edit: I'd forgotten about the corresponding statue in Emprise du Lion that Auirel mentions. That takes the Dalish possibility off the table and brings me back to "elves love wolf statues" and "devs love wolf statues" thought. Realistically, they needed to bring more variety to the table, in terms of assets. We were told about Fen'Harel in DAO. As soon as I saw my first wolf statue in DAI, I thought, "Wow, a statue dedicated to Fen'Harel?" Of course it wasn't. It was oddly dedicated to another of the Evanuris who had never previously been associated with wolves. After the fifth... sixth... tenth such statue, I knew the deal. I was finally mildly surprised when I found one connected to Fen'Harel. The game quickly taught me that those statues are just "elfy" things to be interpreted as "elves were here" unless I am specifically told there is deeper meaning.
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Post by Amburu on Oct 26, 2016 15:46:53 GMT
There's the thing that wolves were guardians so it makes sense to have statues of them in such places But it would have been neat if FH's ones had some specificity so that we could tell them apart Or making them stricly identical to regular wolves could have been done on purpose so that one wouldn't spot the rebels from miles away IDK
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Post by ellawyn on Oct 26, 2016 15:54:56 GMT
Okay, here's a question about a bit of trivia that has been niggling at me. Who do you suppose carved the big wolf statue that is on top of the mountain overlooking the Exalted Plain? The Dalish were only in the Dales for roughly 250 years. Only enough time to get themselves established in the basics, let alone climb up that mountain and start carving an enormous statue. You have to get your priorities right. So ancient elves then. Who exactly? Not Fen'Harel's followers since they were on the run and anyway surely he wouldn't approve of such glorification. Not the followers of the other gods because he wasn't that popular with them. If it was Mythal's followers, then where is Mythal? The big hand was a relic of an ancient statue but I always assumed it was that giant statue of Elgar'nan that the memory in the Library recalls. Was there a corresponding statue to Mythal that the memory conveniently forgot to recall? If there were other statues, why does only the statue to the wolf remain? You'd think that would be the first thing that the followers of the other Evanuris would destroy. You know, I doubt that Solas was ALWAYS in opposition to the Evanuris, especially since by his own account they didn't used to be so bad (Although depending on how Solas is, that might predate him.). He was unpopular with the Evanuris and their followers during his rebellion, and obviously he's unpopular now, but Solas and the Evanuris and all of that existed before his rebellion. It's within the realm of possibility that Solas was their friend and comrade, and that any... grandiose relics of Fen'Haarel came from this time. I mean, hell, whoever made the Temple of Mythal found it fitting to not only put statues of him in her sanctuary, but to give him a mural mosaic along with the rest of the Evanuris. And given the shit ton of other wolf statues lying about Thedas, I'd say that the Evanuris were disinterested in destroying any images of Fen'Harel. Once the rebellion started - like Solas said, war breeds a need for simplicity. Having a statue of your gods' enemy and betrayer looming over you is one great piece of propoganda. And given that they gave Solas the name "Wolf of Rebellion" and apparently depicted him as a giant slavering beast, I'd say they were trying to cultivate some image of fear and power for him, in the way that a country might build up the ruler of the nation they're warring with in order to scare people in sticking to "the right side." As for why statues of other gods are missing - got nothing. Probably because they aren't secretly a companion and shoving a bunch of random imagery of them into the game wouldn't have been as effective. EDIT: Also what Element Zero said. I wouldn't think too hard on the art assets. They're mostly just there to fill space and look pretty.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 26, 2016 16:39:55 GMT
You know, I doubt that Solas was ALWAYS in opposition to the Evanuris, especially since by his own account they didn't used to be so bad (Although depending on how Solas is, that might predate him.). He was unpopular with the Evanuris and their followers during his rebellion, and obviously he's unpopular now, but Solas and the Evanuris and all of that existed before his rebellion. It's within the realm of possibility that Solas was their friend and comrade, and that any... grandiose relics of Fen'Haarel came from this time. I mean, hell, whoever made the Temple of Mythal found it fitting to not only put statues of him in her sanctuary, but to give him a mural mosaic along with the rest of the Evanuris. And given the shit ton of other wolf statues lying about Thedas, I'd say that the Evanuris were disinterested in destroying any images of Fen'Harel. Once the rebellion started - like Solas said, war breeds a need for simplicity. Having a statue of your gods' enemy and betrayer looming over you is one great piece of propoganda. And given that they gave Solas the name "Wolf of Rebellion" and apparently depicted him as a giant slavering beast, I'd say they were trying to cultivate some image of fear and power for him, in the way that a country might build up the ruler of the nation they're warring with in order to scare people in sticking to "the right side." As for why statues of other gods are missing - got nothing. Probably because they aren't secretly a companion and shoving a bunch of random imagery of them into the game wouldn't have been as effective. EDIT: Also what Element Zero said. I wouldn't think too hard on the art assets. They're mostly just there to fill space and look pretty. I'd say it's a given that Solas was initially at peace with the Evanuris. According to Dalish legend, they considered him one of them. I've taken this to mean that they recognized an exceptionally gifted Dreamer and eventually elevated him to their ranks. I also suspect that he is responsible for the Forgotten Ones. We know they were mortal, since we find Geldauran's own words, speaking of rebellion and seizing power from false gods. I think Solas taught the magic of the Evanurus to some of the freed slaves. (We know they studied some type of magic under his watch, since we found direct evidence in Trespasser.) What would happen if students like Geldauran learned the magic that allowed the Evanuris to pose as gods? This would explain why Fen'Harel, according to Dalish legend, was viewed as "one of their own" by both the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones. Time will tell whether I'm right or wrong. Naturally, they could've found other teachers and sources of knowledge beyond Solas once they had the knowledge of Evanuris magic. They could've sought out the Forbidden Ones or who knows what else. I also begin to strongly suspect that what we know as "the Blight" is something the Forgotten Ones found or created in their war with the Evanuris. I suspect that the Elder Gods might be the "phylacteries" of the Forgotten Ones, in a similar fashion to Corypheus' dragon, storing a portion of their beings. It was the whispers of Dumat and the Elder Gods that prompted the Magisters to enter the Black City, no? I believe it was likely the opening move in their long game to escape their imprisonment in the Fade. Killing the Archdemons as the Wardens do is the only option, but it likely releases the stored essence to return to its owner, rather than destroying it as the Wardens always believed. Flemeth's ritual finally bypassed this setup with Urthemiel. If any of the above is true, whose stronghold was the Black City? Clearly, never "the Maker's", though I don't think any of we players ever believed that. Did one of the Forgotten Ones once rule there? Was it once a great elvhen city destroyed by the corruption? Will one of our protagonists have to go there someday on some errand, to retrieve something, or to strike at the corruption? I suspect Solas knows exactly what the Black City is, because it's almost definitely elvhen. I look forward to hopefully learning that bit of truth.
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Post by NightSymphony on Oct 26, 2016 16:47:01 GMT
One art for me to share today. Not much Solas in DeviantArt lately Oh well, at least Sunny is finding lots of stuff. The Lovers Tarot (NSFW, Lavellan is naked) The artist writes... "I feel like the beautifully tailored hell that is Solavellan is started on a road where there are only two outcomes really, and none of them are pretty or happy. This romance was tragic from the start, and I think that is why it resonates with so many people. It is well written, well acted, deep and hurting. The Inquisitor’s body is broken after the anchor, both literally and figuratively, and a developing conflict pushes her farther into despair. Solas rallied the elves to fight for themselves, but even if they win (which will cost most of their lives) Solas will unleash hell (meaning the fade) and they are doomed either way. Fen’harel is making the same mistake he made centuries ago, and Lady Lavellan is unable to reason with his beloved. So she has to make a hard, heart wrenching choice: abandon the elves to save everyone else, and fight against them, her kind and their new leader. This is the final blow,( her clans death, the Inquisition (and its disbanding), Coryphyshit, Solas, the Anchor, Loosing her arm and many more being the other “blows”) In the end she can’t compete with a God, a fully recovered Dread Wolf, and she dies, not directly by Solas’s hand but by his and her choices. Solas doomed the only person he loved with his stubbornness, and even when he is mourning, he knows this outcome is the most profitable for him, and this hurts him even more. Deep down in his heart, he knew this is how it would end, knew from the beginning, and now that it happened, he feels pain, but in the mean time he again gained equilibrium and a peace of mind, he never would have gained as long as Lavellan lives, and he hates himself for that. Sorry for the rambling ^^” Enjoy~ "
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Post by ellawyn on Oct 26, 2016 17:29:40 GMT
I'd say it's a given that Solas was initially at peace with the Evanuris. According to Dalish legend, they considered him one of them. I've taken this to mean that they recognized an exceptionally gifted Dreamer and eventually elevated him to their ranks. I also suspect that he is responsible for the Forgotten Ones. We know they were mortal, since we find Geldauran's own words, speaking of rebellion and seizing power from false gods. I think Solas taught the magic of the Evanurus to some of the freed slaves. (We know they studied some type of magic under his watch, since we found direct evidence in Trespasser.) What would happen if students like Geldauran learned the magic that allowed the Evanuris to pose as gods? This would explain why Fen'Harel, according to Dalish legend, was viewed as "one of their own" by both the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones. Time will tell whether I'm right or wrong. Naturally, they could've found other teachers and sources of knowledge beyond Solas once they had the knowledge of Evanuris magic. They could've sought out the Forbidden Ones or who knows what else. I also begin to strongly suspect that what we know as "the Blight" is something the Forgotten Ones found or created in their war with the Evanuris. I suspect that the Elder Gods might be the "phylacteries" of the Forgotten Ones, in a similar fashion to Corypheus' dragon, storing a portion of their beings. It was the whispers of Dumat and the Elder Gods that prompted the Magisters to enter the Black City, no? I believe it was likely the opening move in their long game to escape their imprisonment in the Fade. Killing the Archdemons as the Wardens do is the only option, but it likely releases the stored essence to return to its owner, rather than destroying it as the Wardens always believed. Flemeth's ritual finally bypassed this setup with Urthemiel. If any of the above is true, whose stronghold was the Black City? Clearly, never "the Maker's", though I don't think any of we players ever believed that. Did one of the Forgotten Ones once rule there? Was it once a great elvhen city destroyed by the corruption? Will one of our protagonists have to go there someday on some errand, to retrieve something, or to strike at the corruption? I suspect Solas knows exactly what the Black City is, because it's almost definitely elvhen. I look forward to hopefully learning that bit of truth. I'm aware that it's nearly certain Fen'Harel was their friend once, but Gervaise was talking like they were always opposed, so... As for the Golden City - it's almost certainly Arlathan, since Arlathan is said to have not only been destroyed, but to have completely vanished (When it's more likely that, like the Crossroads, it was always at least halfway in the Fade and the Veil simply eradicated any trace of it from the physical world.) And we're definitely going there someday, just like the Veil's probably going to come down, and Flemythal will return in some form to reveal the grand plot she's obviously been spinning for all these centuries. The narrative wouldn't so consistently draw attention to these things and discuss their ramifications if they weren't eventually going to happen. And I still say the Blight is something from the Titans. The general behavior of the Darkspawn hoard sounds too eerily similar to the whole Titan/dwarf thing, plus the fact that the ancient elves tangled with Titans and that the Blight is said to originate in the Deep Roads (It's where Solas decided the Evanuris had gone too far, at least.) I still suspect that the individuals that lured the Magisters into the Fade are not the same as the dragons that we see trapped in the Deep Roads, though. Although I do think those dragons might be the Forgotten Ones. Certainly it would explain that codex about Andruil getting "madness from the Void," where the Void is said to be where the Forgotten Ones were trapped.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 26, 2016 17:44:46 GMT
I'd say it's a given that Solas was initially at peace with the Evanuris. According to Dalish legend, they considered him one of them. I've taken this to mean that they recognized an exceptionally gifted Dreamer and eventually elevated him to their ranks. I also suspect that he is responsible for the Forgotten Ones. We know they were mortal, since we find Geldauran's own words, speaking of rebellion and seizing power from false gods. I think Solas taught the magic of the Evanurus to some of the freed slaves. (We know they studied some type of magic under his watch, since we found direct evidence in Trespasser.) What would happen if students like Geldauran learned the magic that allowed the Evanuris to pose as gods? This would explain why Fen'Harel, according to Dalish legend, was viewed as "one of their own" by both the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones. Time will tell whether I'm right or wrong. Naturally, they could've found other teachers and sources of knowledge beyond Solas once they had the knowledge of Evanuris magic. They could've sought out the Forbidden Ones or who knows what else. I also begin to strongly suspect that what we know as "the Blight" is something the Forgotten Ones found or created in their war with the Evanuris. I suspect that the Elder Gods might be the "phylacteries" of the Forgotten Ones, in a similar fashion to Corypheus' dragon, storing a portion of their beings. It was the whispers of Dumat and the Elder Gods that prompted the Magisters to enter the Black City, no? I believe it was likely the opening move in their long game to escape their imprisonment in the Fade. Killing the Archdemons as the Wardens do is the only option, but it likely releases the stored essence to return to its owner, rather than destroying it as the Wardens always believed. Flemeth's ritual finally bypassed this setup with Urthemiel. If any of the above is true, whose stronghold was the Black City? Clearly, never "the Maker's", though I don't think any of we players ever believed that. Did one of the Forgotten Ones once rule there? Was it once a great elvhen city destroyed by the corruption? Will one of our protagonists have to go there someday on some errand, to retrieve something, or to strike at the corruption? I suspect Solas knows exactly what the Black City is, because it's almost definitely elvhen. I look forward to hopefully learning that bit of truth. I'm aware that it's nearly certain Fen'Harel was their friend once, but Gervaise was talking like they were always opposed, so... As for the Golden City - it's almost certainly Arlathan, since Arlathan is said to have not only been destroyed, but to have completely vanished (When it's more likely that, like the Crossroads, it was always at least halfway in the Fade and the Veil simply eradicated any trace of it from the physical world.) And we're definitely going there someday, just like the Veil's probably going to come down, and Flemythal will return in some form to reveal the grand plot she's obviously been spinning for all these centuries. The narrative wouldn't so consistently draw attention to these things and discuss their ramifications if they weren't eventually going to happen. And I still say the Blight is something from the Titans. The general behavior of the Darkspawn hoard sounds too eerily similar to the whole Titan/dwarf thing, plus the fact that the ancient elves tangled with Titans and that the Blight is said to originate in the Deep Roads (It's where Solas decided the Evanuris had gone too far, at least.) I still suspect that the individuals that lured the Magisters into the Fade are not the same as the dragons that we see trapped in the Deep Roads, though. Although I do think those dragons might be the Forgotten Ones. Certainly it would explain that codex about Andruil getting "madness from the Void," where the Void is said to be where the Forgotten Ones were trapped. I don't think it's that likely the Veil will come down, and if it does I'd imagine it would be some huge end of the series event. Maybe something that happens or doesn't happen because of player choices throughout the games or just in the last one. I think it'd be too much of a change for us to actually get to play in that world. I agree about Flemythal, though! And I hope you're right about the Black City! Well, that's all I can contribute your guys theorizing is mostly above me! Although, it's interesting to read!
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 26, 2016 18:33:00 GMT
I'd say it's a given that Solas was initially at peace with the Evanuris. According to Dalish legend, they considered him one of them. I've taken this to mean that they recognized an exceptionally gifted Dreamer and eventually elevated him to their ranks. I also suspect that he is responsible for the Forgotten Ones. We know they were mortal, since we find Geldauran's own words, speaking of rebellion and seizing power from false gods. I think Solas taught the magic of the Evanurus to some of the freed slaves. (We know they studied some type of magic under his watch, since we found direct evidence in Trespasser.) What would happen if students like Geldauran learned the magic that allowed the Evanuris to pose as gods? This would explain why Fen'Harel, according to Dalish legend, was viewed as "one of their own" by both the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones. Time will tell whether I'm right or wrong. Naturally, they could've found other teachers and sources of knowledge beyond Solas once they had the knowledge of Evanuris magic. They could've sought out the Forbidden Ones or who knows what else. I also begin to strongly suspect that what we know as "the Blight" is something the Forgotten Ones found or created in their war with the Evanuris. I suspect that the Elder Gods might be the "phylacteries" of the Forgotten Ones, in a similar fashion to Corypheus' dragon, storing a portion of their beings. It was the whispers of Dumat and the Elder Gods that prompted the Magisters to enter the Black City, no? I believe it was likely the opening move in their long game to escape their imprisonment in the Fade. Killing the Archdemons as the Wardens do is the only option, but it likely releases the stored essence to return to its owner, rather than destroying it as the Wardens always believed. Flemeth's ritual finally bypassed this setup with Urthemiel. If any of the above is true, whose stronghold was the Black City? Clearly, never "the Maker's", though I don't think any of we players ever believed that. Did one of the Forgotten Ones once rule there? Was it once a great elvhen city destroyed by the corruption? Will one of our protagonists have to go there someday on some errand, to retrieve something, or to strike at the corruption? I suspect Solas knows exactly what the Black City is, because it's almost definitely elvhen. I look forward to hopefully learning that bit of truth. I'm aware that it's nearly certain Fen'Harel was their friend once, but Gervaise was talking like they were always opposed, so... As for the Golden City - it's almost certainly Arlathan, since Arlathan is said to have not only been destroyed, but to have completely vanished (When it's more likely that, like the Crossroads, it was always at least halfway in the Fade and the Veil simply eradicated any trace of it from the physical world.) And we're definitely going there someday, just like the Veil's probably going to come down, and Flemythal will return in some form to reveal the grand plot she's obviously been spinning for all these centuries. The narrative wouldn't so consistently draw attention to these things and discuss their ramifications if they weren't eventually going to happen. And I still say the Blight is something from the Titans. The general behavior of the Darkspawn hoard sounds too eerily similar to the whole Titan/dwarf thing, plus the fact that the ancient elves tangled with Titans and that the Blight is said to originate in the Deep Roads (It's where Solas decided the Evanuris had gone too far, at least.) I still suspect that the individuals that lured the Magisters into the Fade are not the same as the dragons that we see trapped in the Deep Roads, though. Although I do think those dragons might be the Forgotten Ones. Certainly it would explain that codex about Andruil getting "madness from the Void," where the Void is said to be where the Forgotten Ones were trapped. Arlathan is exactly where I was headed with the Black City. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the signs. I agree that the Titans seem to be tied up with Solas' rebellion, and most likely the Blight, but I haven't come up with the how just yet. Maybe the corruption of the Blight came about as a result of the Titans' murders? (I have no idea how many were killed, or the true motivations behind the killings. We get only the most basic explanation in DAI.) No evidence exists to suggest the above, yet, so I'm just spitballing. Still, it's one possible source for the Blight. At least it's an idea for its source. Other than that, I have "bad magic" and "found it out there somewhere", where it always existed. Neither is compelling So, in theory, we could have a situation in which the elves created the Blight/Corruption through their killing the Titans. The war of the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones (Solas' former rebel apprentices, if I guess correctly) may have escalated from terrible to world-threatening levels when the Forgotten Ones embraced the Blight as a weapon. Mythal is slain, and Solas knows the entire world is in peril, so he creates the Veil as a desperate "solution". Nothing here sounds out of sorts or contrary to established lore; but I do make some leaps, so we shall see.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 26, 2016 18:49:17 GMT
I'm aware that it's nearly certain Fen'Harel was their friend once, but Gervaise was talking like they were always opposed, so... As for the Golden City - it's almost certainly Arlathan, since Arlathan is said to have not only been destroyed, but to have completely vanished (When it's more likely that, like the Crossroads, it was always at least halfway in the Fade and the Veil simply eradicated any trace of it from the physical world.) And we're definitely going there someday, just like the Veil's probably going to come down, and Flemythal will return in some form to reveal the grand plot she's obviously been spinning for all these centuries. The narrative wouldn't so consistently draw attention to these things and discuss their ramifications if they weren't eventually going to happen. And I still say the Blight is something from the Titans. The general behavior of the Darkspawn hoard sounds too eerily similar to the whole Titan/dwarf thing, plus the fact that the ancient elves tangled with Titans and that the Blight is said to originate in the Deep Roads (It's where Solas decided the Evanuris had gone too far, at least.) I still suspect that the individuals that lured the Magisters into the Fade are not the same as the dragons that we see trapped in the Deep Roads, though. Although I do think those dragons might be the Forgotten Ones. Certainly it would explain that codex about Andruil getting "madness from the Void," where the Void is said to be where the Forgotten Ones were trapped. I don't think it's that likely the Veil will come down, and if it does I'd imagine it would be some huge end of the series event. Maybe something that happens or doesn't happen because of player choices throughout the games or just in the last one. I think it'd be too much of a change for us to actually get to play in that world. I agree about Flemythal, though! And I hope you're right about the Black City! Well, that's all I can contribute your guys theorizing is mostly above me! Although, it's interesting to read! We've been getting hints about the Veil-fall for years, now, so I think it is likely to happen. You might be right about it being in the "Final Act" of Dragon Age. Alternately, it may not be as devastating as feared. It could be pretty damn rough, but totally survivable, for the existing world. Maybe given time, and collaboration with a knowledgable mage like Solas, the mages of this world could attenuate the worst effects? Maybe Solas himself could find a way to blunt the trauma to this world, and that will be part of his continuing story? Who can say, but the writers?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Oct 26, 2016 18:55:27 GMT
^ I think the Creative Director can also say. He's the dude who has to kind of guide the writers and everyone else to achieve the common goal of a shippable game.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 26, 2016 19:03:50 GMT
^ I think the Creative Director can also say. He's the dude who has to kind of guide the writers and everyone else to achieve the common goal of a shippable game. Yeah, I suspect Mr. Laidlaw has a grasp on things.
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Post by melbella on Oct 26, 2016 19:47:46 GMT
I would not want the Veil coming down to be end of the series. It would be too much like ME's RBG ending, with no follow-up to anything, and just leave us hanging for no reason.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 26, 2016 20:13:40 GMT
I would not want the Veil coming down to be end of the series. It would be too much like ME's RBG ending, with no follow-up to anything, and just leave us hanging for no reason. Considering that ME has a continuation now there's no reason to think that the current overarching story will be all we'd see in DA-verse. Like in MEA, Thedosians may simply venture outside of their continent, to lands that appear to be, so far, intentionally shrouded in mystery...
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Post by ellawyn on Oct 26, 2016 21:48:46 GMT
Arlathan is exactly where I was headed with the Black City. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the signs. I agree that the Titans seem to be tied up with Solas' rebellion, and most likely the Blight, but I haven't come up with the how just yet. Maybe the corruption of the Blight came about as a result of the Titans' murders? (I have no idea how many were killed, or the true motivations behind the killings. We get only the most basic explanation in DAI.) No evidence exists to suggest the above, yet, so I'm just spitballing. Still, it's one possible source for the Blight. At least it's an idea for its source. Other than that, I have "bad magic" and "found it out there somewhere", where it always existed. Neither is compelling So, in theory, we could have a situation in which the elves created the Blight/Corruption through their killing the Titans. The war of the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones (Solas' former rebel apprentices, if I guess correctly) may have escalated from terrible to world-threatening levels when the Forgotten Ones embraced the Blight as a weapon. Mythal is slain, and Solas knows the entire world is in peril, so he creates the Veil as a desperate "solution". Nothing here sounds out of sorts or contrary to established lore; but I do make some leaps, so we shall see. Yeah, my best guess for the Blight is that it's some sort of rot or decay caused by a Titan's death, too. Looking at the wiki page for Titans, there's a lot of mentions of them being somehow built out of the will/memories of lesser beings (Dwarves, probably.) so maybe there's an emotional manifestation component in there. The death of the Titan causes a rage/revenge sort of response that leads to the creation of the Taint, and eventually a genlock horde as it spreads through that Titan's "children." That's just me rambling, though. Beyond that, I got nothing, except that I don't think it's a coincidence that the first place we saw red lyrium was in a strange old Dwarven thaig that was probably a Titan at some point. I would not want the Veil coming down to be end of the series. It would be too much like ME's RBG ending, with no follow-up to anything, and just leave us hanging for no reason. Considering that ME has a continuation now there's no reason to think that the current overarching story will be all we'd see in DA-verse. Like in MEA, Thedosians may simply venture outside of their continent, to lands that appear to be, so far, intentionally shrouded in mystery... Yeah, but MEA is moving to a different galaxy specifically to side-step the point of ME3's endings. If Dragon Age did the same, then they'd still fail to really provide follow-up as to what it all meant for Thedas and the people who lived there. But, it is true that tearing down the Veil might end up being less deadly than theorized. Alternatively, the devs could simply... provide follow-up. The issue with ME3's ending wasn't the galaxy-altering consequences, and it was the lack of resolution. All DA would have to do is resolve things.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 26, 2016 22:13:21 GMT
Arlathan is exactly where I was headed with the Black City. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the signs. I agree that the Titans seem to be tied up with Solas' rebellion, and most likely the Blight, but I haven't come up with the how just yet. Maybe the corruption of the Blight came about as a result of the Titans' murders? (I have no idea how many were killed, or the true motivations behind the killings. We get only the most basic explanation in DAI.) No evidence exists to suggest the above, yet, so I'm just spitballing. Still, it's one possible source for the Blight. At least it's an idea for its source. Other than that, I have "bad magic" and "found it out there somewhere", where it always existed. Neither is compelling So, in theory, we could have a situation in which the elves created the Blight/Corruption through their killing the Titans. The war of the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones (Solas' former rebel apprentices, if I guess correctly) may have escalated from terrible to world-threatening levels when the Forgotten Ones embraced the Blight as a weapon. Mythal is slain, and Solas knows the entire world is in peril, so he creates the Veil as a desperate "solution". Nothing here sounds out of sorts or contrary to established lore; but I do make some leaps, so we shall see. Yeah, my best guess for the Blight is that it's some sort of rot or decay caused by a Titan's death, too. Looking at the wiki page for Titans, there's a lot of mentions of them being somehow built out of the will/memories of lesser beings (Dwarves, probably.) so maybe there's an emotional manifestation component in there. The death of the Titan causes a rage/revenge sort of response that leads to the creation of the Taint, and eventually a genlock horde as it spreads through that Titan's "children." That's just me rambling, though. Beyond that, I got nothing, except that I don't think it's a coincidence that the first place we saw red lyrium was in a strange old Dwarven thaig that was probably a Titan at some point. Considering that ME has a continuation now there's no reason to think that the current overarching story will be all we'd see in DA-verse. Like in MEA, Thedosians may simply venture outside of their continent, to lands that appear to be, so far, intentionally shrouded in mystery... Yeah, but MEA is moving to a different galaxy specifically to side-step the point of ME3's endings. If Dragon Age did the same, then they'd still fail to really provide follow-up as to what it all meant for Thedas and the people who lived there. But, it is true that tearing down the Veil might end up being less deadly than theorized. Alternatively, the devs could simply... provide follow-up. The issue with ME3's ending wasn't the galaxy-altering consequences, and it was the lack of resolution. All DA would have to do is resolve things. In regard to the Veil-fall question: It is entirely possible we are nearing the end of the Dragon Age story. It was supposed to be the story of Thedas, if I recall correctly, not the story of the entire world. As much as fans may not wish to contemplate its end, this story is three games and many years along. It will end at some point. I think the end is approaching. If it isn't the next game that wraps things up, I can't imagine more than two more games. Mass Effect is my favorite series based upon my having more fun playing it; but the forethought and planning put into the Dragon Age setting and plot has put it on a level I've never before seen in a video game series. Edit: I guess it would've been more effective to quote midnight tea directly, but I was reading your post when I replied.
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Post by kalasaurus on Oct 27, 2016 1:25:16 GMT
Hey, Solas peeps! I used to go on the old BSN thread for this place quite frequently as kalalala and later kalasaurus (which I have since kept). I actually found out about bsn.boards.net just in the nick of time--I came back to BSN on a whim after a few months long hiatus today and *just* found out about the imminent shutdown. Anyway, I had a lot of fond memories with many of you after completing DA:I for the first time as my poor heartbroken Lavellan and shared and experienced my meltdown on the old BSN Solas thread lol. Spending my New Years and the countdown to 2015 was really fun there with all the silly Solas pictures. I look forward to talking and seeing many of the old names I recognize here and meeting new Solas-fans as well
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 27, 2016 1:42:10 GMT
Hey, Solas peeps! I used to go on the old BSN thread for this place quite frequently as kalalala and later kalasaurus (which I have since kept). I actually found out about bsn.boards.net just in the nick of time--I came back to BSN on a whim after a few months long hiatus today and *just* found out about the imminent shutdown. Anyway, I had a lot of fond memories with many of you after completing DA:I for the first time as my poor heartbroken Lavellan and shared and experienced my meltdown on the old BSN Solas thread lol. Spending my New Years and the countdown to 2015 was really fun here with all the silly Solas pictures. I look forward to talking and seeing many of the old names I recognize here and meeting new Solas-fans as well Kalasaurus, Kalalala, or Kala S, it's nice to see you here! I was in the same boat as you just last week! It was sad to find the original BSN shutdown, but hey, it's awesome how many people made it here and how great this community is! I'm glad you made it!
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Post by kalasaurus on Oct 27, 2016 1:52:48 GMT
Hey, Solas peeps! I used to go on the old BSN thread for this place quite frequently as kalalala and later kalasaurus (which I have since kept). I actually found out about bsn.boards.net just in the nick of time--I came back to BSN on a whim after a few months long hiatus today and *just* found out about the imminent shutdown. Anyway, I had a lot of fond memories with many of you after completing DA:I for the first time as my poor heartbroken Lavellan and shared and experienced my meltdown on the old BSN Solas thread lol. Spending my New Years and the countdown to 2015 was really fun here with all the silly Solas pictures. I look forward to talking and seeing many of the old names I recognize here and meeting new Solas-fans as well Kalasaurus, Kalalala, or Kala S, it's nice to see you here! I was in the same boat as you just last week! It was sad to find the original BSN shutdown, but hey, it's awesome how many people made it here and how great this community is! I'm glad you made it! Hey, NeverlandHunter . Thank you, it's good to see you too! Since you mentioned Kala S, I suppose it's relevant that I let anyone here who enjoyed my YouTube videos know that I recently deleted that page and the videos too. I really regret that I had to do it, but I had a pretty scary experience on Facebook where someone started talking to me but was pretending to be someone else. It wasn't related to the Solas fandom AT ALL, but it freaked me out a lot so I wanted to erase most of my online presence in fear of my privacy and identity. I still have them saved on my harddrive, so if anyone in the future wants me to reupload them for any reason--I'd gladly do so on a new YouTube account
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 27, 2016 2:36:41 GMT
Kalasaurus, Kalalala, or Kala S, it's nice to see you here! I was in the same boat as you just last week! It was sad to find the original BSN shutdown, but hey, it's awesome how many people made it here and how great this community is! I'm glad you made it! Hey, Neverlandhunter . Thank you, it's good to see you too! Since you mentioned Kala S, I suppose it's relevant that I let anyone here who enjoyed my YouTube videos know that I recently deleted that page and the videos too. I really regret that I had to do it, but I had a pretty scary experience on Facebook where someone started talking to me but was pretending to be someone else. It wasn't related to the Solas fandom AT ALL, but it freaked me out a lot so I wanted to erase most of my online presence in fear of my privacy and identity. I still have them saved on my harddrive, so if anyone in the future wants me to reupload them for any reason--I'd gladly do so on a new YouTube account Oh, that's why I couldn't find any of your videos! This was recent? Anyway, that's really awful and I'm sorry that happened to you. I'd love to see your channel or channel 2.0 up again, no pressure though!
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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 27, 2016 2:43:06 GMT
I would not want the Veil coming down to be end of the series. It would be too much like ME's RBG ending, with no follow-up to anything, and just leave us hanging for no reason. They seem to like doing that to us though, because drama (and fan tears). Following ME they could just blow up Thedas with the fall of the veil and start the next game in the series with us as survivors on a ship at sea heading towards the unknown. That is a terrible idea. They'd better not do that.
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